Are all BMW owners asshats? Or just the majority of them?

cadd · May 28th, 2016, 04:54 PM

BMW stereotype: operates a vehicle like a douchebag. But there's a reason for stereotypes, right? Maybe? This time it was a BMW rider. F800GT.

Story:

I met this guy a few months ago at a gas station. We chit chatted and he took down my number. He calls me saying he is going to meet his buddies down by the shore (Jersey shore) and wanted to know if I'm free to ride down and chill with them (2 hour ride).

First 90 degree weekend. The beach sounded like fun, so I agreed. We meet up and I told him to lead.

This is how he rode the entire way.

1. He hogs the left lane and tailgates cars while we're going 65-70mph. He leaves about 2 car lengths of space.

Link to original page on YouTube.

2 . He tailgates on the left lane, then passes on the right, then brake checks a car. This way, the car moves out of my way. But now the car is pissed off and guess who they take it out on? Yup, you guessed it....the rider in the back (me). I told him before the ride that once I hit 70mph, my passing power is weak. I have to strategically plan my passes. I told him that if he passes, just keep going. I'll catch up eventually. But nope, he insists on passing and brake checking them so they would move over for me.

Link to original page on YouTube.

3. So, he did it to this Honda Pilot. This is the 3rd time within an hour. As he passed them, I purposely dropped back. I didn't want to play this game. The Honda was between us. And the Honda was tailgating him. After a few minutes, traffic started to back up and he decided he was going to have a few words with the driver by stopping in the middle of the left lane (you can see his hand gestures through the windshield at the start of the video). I pretended I was oblivious and didn't know what was going on.

Link to original page on YouTube.

4. He texts while he's riding. I kid you not! I guess that's why they make fingerless gloves.

Link to original page on YouTube.

Bonus: when he stops behind a car at a red light, he leaves about 6" of space between him and the bumper in front of him.

What's scary is that this is the way he rides. It wasn't a one or two time occurrence. This is his riding style. Needless to say, I didn't stay long at the beach after I met his "boys".

SLOWn60 · May 28th, 2016, 05:07 PM

I would have made a right turn after the first brake check. Guys like that are bigger idiots than loud pipes.

F800GS owner.

VaFish · May 28th, 2016, 05:12 PM

I know quite and safe a few decent BMW riders.

cadd · May 28th, 2016, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VaFish

I know quite and safe a few decent BMW riders.

I was just kidding. The stereotype is mainly for BMW car drivers. I know a few long distance BMW riders with crazy bike handling skills as well.

SLOWn60 · May 28th, 2016, 05:25 PM

Anecdotally; I have to agree regarding many BMW car owners. Both in and out of their cars!

CaliGrrl · May 28th, 2016, 10:09 PM

Oy. Anecdotally, yeah, we joke about having to be a jerk before they'll let you buy a BMW (car). That's funny because we had a BMW convertible for a while, and we don't drive like that. But yeah, you see someone in an expensive car, they're probably gonna do something selfish, stupid, rude, and/or dangerous.

cbinker · May 28th, 2016, 10:12 PM

Go f yourself.

so I guessing you didn't say anything to him about his riding?

MrAtom · May 29th, 2016, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbinker

Go f yourself.

BMW owner detected.

But really. I have personally never met a person who drives a BMW that was anything close to a decent human being. But I'm sure my experience is drastic and that there are decent human beings that drive BMW's. I'm sure Bill Gates owns one, and if anyone should have acquired the wealth that he has, it should've been him. He's a hugely good person.

Geezer-60 · May 29th, 2016, 03:43 AM

Some people do everything in their power to live up to negative stereotypes.

Motofool · May 29th, 2016, 05:36 AM

Poor guy was desperately trying to ride away from the humbleness of a Kawasaki 250 cc !!!

"It is far better to be alone, than to be in bad company." - George Washington

"I may climb perhaps to no great heights, but I will climb alone." - Cyrano de Bergerac

"With fools, there is no companionship. Rather than to live with men who are selfish, vain, quarrelsome, and obstinate, let a man walk alone." - Buddha

In my experience, the position of the feet on the pegs tells more about a rider than the brand of the machine.

InvisiBill · May 29th, 2016, 06:30 AM

It's not BMW owners, it's NJ people.

Link to original page on YouTube.

NevadaWolf · May 29th, 2016, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Motofool

In my experience, the position of the feet on the pegs tells more about a rider than the brand of the machine.

Now this has me curious, care to elaborate?

Abu_Mishary · May 29th, 2016, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLOWn60

I would have made a right turn after the first brake check.

i second to this.

we have a lot of this kind of bikers in Malaysia. However, they ride mopeds. We call them "mat rempit".

idiots who care less of others' safety let alone theirs!

Motofool · May 29th, 2016, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NevadaWolf

Now this has me curious, care to elaborate?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Misti

Sometimes dragging a boot happens because you have your toes pointed down or hanging off the peg in a weird way. Balls of the feet should be on the pegs and you should move them forward to shift or brake and then back to the "ready" position once again...........

Riding well has its body language/kinesics.

verboten1 · May 29th, 2016, 08:07 AM

Nah, that guy isn't an asshat. He's an asshole.

Doesn't matter what bike he's on.

cadd · May 29th, 2016, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbinker

Go f yourself.

You can take that red key and shove it up.....I mean down the ignition.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cbinker

so I guessing you didn't say anything to him about his riding?

Nope, not my problem. This was the first (and last) time I'll be riding with him. Didn't want to give him advice or pointers on his riding when I'm riding a N00b machine. One of the first question he asked me when we first met was "so when are you going to upgrade and get a bigger bike?"

Ummm....this is my 5th bike. I chose a small displacement on purpose.

alex.s · May 29th, 2016, 09:53 AM

this is called a god complex. has no concept that the other car could simply run into him and keep going and kill him within seconds. nobody else's opinion or desires matter, only his. this is also the reason he wears no gear. because he believes he can't be touched. looking at how he rides its painfully obvious he has no idea what he is doing.

that being said, i get ****ing pissed when some idiot is driving 65 in the FAST lane of a 3 or 4 lane highway with NOBODY AHEAD for like 30 car lengths. the #1 lane isn't for cruising because you're lazy. you stay in the slow lane, and then move left to pass people. that's why the put signs up every quarter mile saying "STAY RIGHT" and "SLOWER TRAFFIC STAY RIGHT" i wouldn't be doing this on a bike, but in a car i absolutely would be a full-on asshole to someone asleep in the #1 lane.

toEleven · May 29th, 2016, 12:26 PM

Whoever suggested it's a Jersey thing might be on to something

If I were going on stereotypes, the T-shirt/Jeans/Sneakers/Short gloves combo would've raised more alarms than the BMW, even if you mentioned the bike in jest. Most of the BMW riders I encounter are on adventure bikes and covered head to toe in textile gear, much of it blaze yellow. They tend to ride cautiously in my part of the world.

On the subject of BMW car owners, the ones I've known personally have all been good people. The worst among them gets the title because he's overpaid and generally worthless as a coworker/teammate...but he's a very nice guy.

cbinker · May 29th, 2016, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cadd

You can take that red key and shove it up.....I mean down the ignition.

Nope, not my problem. This was the first (and last) time I'll be riding with him. Didn't want to give him advice or pointers on his riding when I'm riding a N00b machine. One of the first question he asked me when we first met was "so when are you going to upgrade and get a bigger bike?"

Ummm....this is my 5th bike. I chose a small displacement on purpose.

not your problem? then why make such a big deal about it here?

CC Cowboy · May 30th, 2016, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InvisiBill

It's not BMW owners, it's NJ people.

I have to agree! Might as well throw in NY also. PA and especially VA too.

backinthesaddleagain · May 30th, 2016, 03:45 PM

My friends who ride bmw whether boxers , k bikes, F bikes or the various S1000 are good guys and good riders. It's the person not the marque. I have a 328 and I think it's a good car. Doesn't make me drive any different or act any different.

thedrewski86 · May 30th, 2016, 04:48 PM

I'm a BMW owner (a real douchey one too, K1200 &#128518

and I think it comes down to the individual. We could all say the same of Harley owners or you name the brand. I don't really ride with anyone anymore, I just don't trust other riders. I prefer to be the lone wolf, me and my bike against the cagers!

May 28th, 2016, 04:54 PM	#1
cadd cadd cadd cadd Name: Cadd Location: 41°21'13.1"N, 74°41'37.4"W Join Date: Jan 2014 Motorcycle(s): 300 Posts: A lot. MOTM - May '15	Are all BMW owners asshats? Or just the majority of them? BMW stereotype: operates a vehicle like a douchebag. But there's a reason for stereotypes, right? Maybe? This time it was a BMW rider. F800GT. Story: I met this guy a few months ago at a gas station. We chit chatted and he took down my number. He calls me saying he is going to meet his buddies down by the shore (Jersey shore) and wanted to know if I'm free to ride down and chill with them (2 hour ride). First 90 degree weekend. The beach sounded like fun, so I agreed. We meet up and I told him to lead. This is how he rode the entire way. 1. He hogs the left lane and tailgates cars while we're going 65-70mph. He leaves about 2 car lengths of space. Link to original page on YouTube. 2 . He tailgates on the left lane, then passes on the right, then brake checks a car. This way, the car moves out of my way. But now the car is pissed off and guess who they take it out on? Yup, you guessed it....the rider in the back (me). I told him before the ride that once I hit 70mph, my passing power is weak. I have to strategically plan my passes. I told him that if he passes, just keep going. I'll catch up eventually. But nope, he insists on passing and brake checking them so they would move over for me. Link to original page on YouTube. 3. So, he did it to this Honda Pilot. This is the 3rd time within an hour. As he passed them, I purposely dropped back. I didn't want to play this game. The Honda was between us. And the Honda was tailgating him. After a few minutes, traffic started to back up and he decided he was going to have a few words with the driver by stopping in the middle of the left lane (you can see his hand gestures through the windshield at the start of the video). I pretended I was oblivious and didn't know what was going on. Link to original page on YouTube. 4. He texts while he's riding. I kid you not! I guess that's why they make fingerless gloves. Link to original page on YouTube. Bonus: when he stops behind a car at a red light, he leaves about 6" of space between him and the bumper in front of him. What's scary is that this is the way he rides. It wasn't a one or two time occurrence. This is his riding style. Needless to say, I didn't stay long at the beach after I met his "boys". __________________________________________________ Riding it like I financed it.
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SLOWn60 n00bie to wannabie Name: Bill Location: St Ives, BC (Shuswap Lake) Join Date: Sep 2015 Motorcycle(s): 2012 250R (Red), 2005 VFR800A (Red), CRF450X (Red), 2012 F800GS (Wants to be Red!) Posts: A lot. MOTM - Nov '15	I would have made a right turn after the first brake check. Guys like that are bigger idiots than loud pipes. F800GS owner. __________________________________________________ The Smart Money: #1 - ATGATT, #2 - Training (machine skills and survival skills), #3 - The bike; whatever floats yer boat with the money you have left over
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SLOWn60 n00bie to wannabie Name: Bill Location: St Ives, BC (Shuswap Lake) Join Date: Sep 2015 Motorcycle(s): 2012 250R (Red), 2005 VFR800A (Red), CRF450X (Red), 2012 F800GS (Wants to be Red!) Posts: A lot. MOTM - Nov '15	Anecdotally; I have to agree regarding many BMW car owners. Both in and out of their cars! __________________________________________________ The Smart Money: #1 - ATGATT, #2 - Training (machine skills and survival skills), #3 - The bike; whatever floats yer boat with the money you have left over

May 28th, 2016, 10:12 PM	#7
cbinker Track Clown Name: Chris Location: Kingman, AZ Join Date: May 2012 Motorcycle(s): '08 250R, 21 MV F3 800, Kawasaki 400 build Posts: A lot. MOTM - Sep '15	Go f yourself. so I guessing you didn't say anything to him about his riding? __________________________________________________ TEAM ALFALFA www.apexassassins.com

May 29th, 2016, 03:43 AM	#9
Geezer-60 ninjette.org member Name: A.P. Location: Butler County, PA Join Date: Oct 2014 Motorcycle(s): 2007 BMW F800s, Former 2011 Ninja 250r Posts: 117	Some people do everything in their power to live up to negative stereotypes. __________________________________________________ Inertia shouldn't define potential.

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VaFish ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Tom Location: Northern Virginia Join Date: Jul 2015 Motorcycle(s): 2001 Ninja 250, 2019 Harley Ultra Classic, 2001 Suzuki SV650 Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jan '16	I know quite and safe a few decent BMW riders.

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CaliGrrl ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Kerry Location: Ventura, CA Join Date: Jan 2016 Motorcycle(s): Ninja650 Posts: A lot. MOTM - Apr '18, Apr '17, Apr '16	Oy. Anecdotally, yeah, we joke about having to be a jerk before they'll let you buy a BMW (car). That's funny because we had a BMW convertible for a while, and we don't drive like that. But yeah, you see someone in an expensive car, they're probably gonna do something selfish, stupid, rude, and/or dangerous.

May 29th, 2016, 05:36 AM	#10
Motofool Daily Ninjette rider Name: Hernan Location: Florida Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot. MOTY - 2016, MOTM - Dec '12, Jan '14, Jan '15, May '16	Poor guy was desperately trying to ride away from the humbleness of a Kawasaki 250 cc !!! "It is far better to be alone, than to be in bad company." - George Washington "I may climb perhaps to no great heights, but I will climb alone." - Cyrano de Bergerac "With fools, there is no companionship. Rather than to live with men who are selfish, vain, quarrelsome, and obstinate, let a man walk alone." - Buddha In my experience, the position of the feet on the pegs tells more about a rider than the brand of the machine. __________________________________________________ *Motofool* *.................................Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly* "Mankind is composed of two sorts of men — those who love and create, and those who hate and destroy. Love is the bond between men, the way to teach and the center of the world." - José Martí
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alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	this is called a god complex. has no concept that the other car could simply run into him and keep going and kill him within seconds. nobody else's opinion or desires matter, only his. this is also the reason he wears no gear. because he believes he can't be touched. looking at how he rides its painfully obvious he has no idea what he is doing. that being said, i get ****ing pissed when some idiot is driving 65 in the FAST lane of a 3 or 4 lane highway with NOBODY AHEAD for like 30 car lengths. the #1 lane isn't for cruising because you're lazy. you stay in the slow lane, and then move left to pass people. that's why the put signs up every quarter mile saying "STAY RIGHT" and "SLOWER TRAFFIC STAY RIGHT" i wouldn't be doing this on a bike, but in a car i absolutely would be a full-on asshole to someone asleep in the #1 lane. __________________________________________________

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toEleven Slower than you. Name: toEleven Location: NoVA Join Date: Oct 2015 Motorcycle(s): CBR600RR, CB750, EX300 (半蔵) Posts: 667 MOTM - May '16	Whoever suggested it's a Jersey thing might be on to something If I were going on stereotypes, the T-shirt/Jeans/Sneakers/Short gloves combo would've raised more alarms than the BMW, even if you mentioned the bike in jest. Most of the BMW riders I encounter are on adventure bikes and covered head to toe in textile gear, much of it blaze yellow. They tend to ride cautiously in my part of the world. On the subject of BMW car owners, the ones I've known personally have all been good people. The worst among them gets the title because he's overpaid and generally worthless as a coworker/teammate...but he's a very nice guy. __________________________________________________ DISCLAIMERv1.0: There may be more info on the topic than this forum post. Conduct your own research. If another thread is linked or quoted, go read it yourself.

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backinthesaddleagain ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Greg Location: Rhode Island Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 ZX6R 636 Posts: A lot.	My friends who ride bmw whether boxers , k bikes, F bikes or the various S1000 are good guys and good riders. It's the person not the marque. I have a 328 and I think it's a good car. Doesn't make me drive any different or act any different.

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thedrewski86 ninjette.org guru Name: Drew Location: SoCal Join Date: Jul 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2007 SV650S 2005 EX250F Posts: 487	I'm a BMW owner (a real douchey one too, K1200 &#128518 and I think it comes down to the individual. We could all say the same of Harley owners or you name the brand. I don't really ride with anyone anymore, I just don't trust other riders. I prefer to be the lone wolf, me and my bike against the cagers!

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