help i tried to ride home and bike won't start

BlueHairSar · May 3rd, 2013, 10:07 PM

so, i just hopped on my bike, put in the key, added some chock, and pressed the starter button, and all i got was a very angry bee kind of very fast clicking. no engine turn over.

sorry for not searching the forus first, but help!

CouldThat Be The Battery? Anything I NeedToKnowBeforeI Try To Get Jump?

BlueHairSar · May 3rd, 2013, 10:45 PM

Heh, nevermind. Dead Battery. Alex, Please Delete My Panicked Post As needed

Alex · May 3rd, 2013, 11:58 PM

Yep - that's exactly what it sounds like when the battery isn't strong enough to engage the starter. Sound like you got it all sorted.

BlueHairSar · May 4th, 2013, 12:02 AM

Yup, made it home safely! :0)

Let's see if she starts in the morning...

Alex · May 4th, 2013, 12:02 AM

Do you have a battery charger?

BlueHairSar · May 4th, 2013, 12:04 AM

I rid (rided... road...hm) around for close to an hour to charge her a bit. I do have a trickle charger somewhere, I'll have to dig around to find it.

Alex · May 4th, 2013, 12:06 AM

Sounds good. If you're charging system is reasonably OK, an hour should be more than enough to get the battery back in shape. Battery tenders are never a bad idea either.

Motofool · May 4th, 2013, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueHairSar

I rid (rided... road...hm) around for close to an hour to charge her a bit. I do have a trickle charger somewhere, I'll have to dig around to find it.

Unless there was a reason for that deep discharge (something stayed on while the engine was off), or your battery connectors are dirty-corroded, start shopping for a new battery.

http://www.batterystuff.com/kb/artic...ry-basics.html

Once they start doing things like this for no reason, they become unpredictable and worsen after each episode.
Each deep discharge twists the internal plates even more.

choneofakind · May 4th, 2013, 06:28 AM

Also, now is better than ever to learn how to bump-start your ninja. The beautiful thing about carbs is you can bump start them if the battery dies.

tnr4 · May 4th, 2013, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Also, now is better than ever to learn how to bump-start your ninja. The beautiful thing about carbs is you can bump start them if the battery dies.

Wait -- that makes it sound like you can ONLY bump start carbed bikes, but I've bump started FI bikes before as well. Is it harder? I don't remember it being hard (the 300 is ridiculously easy to bump start), but maybe they start for different reasons?

choneofakind · May 4th, 2013, 06:57 AM

I mean I know that some of them can be. I'm not sure my EFI kit can be.

I'm just thinking with a totally dead battery. Like dead dead. I'm not sure if the injectors would fire. Give it a try!! Run your battery to nothing and go at it

tnr4 · May 4th, 2013, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choneofakind

I mean I know that some of them can be. I'm not sure my EFI kit can be.

I'm just thinking with a totally dead battery. Like dead dead. I'm not sure if the injectors would fire. Give it a try!! Run your battery to nothing and go at it

Interesting! Makes sense, but I hadn't thought of it. Haha, I'm not sure I'm quite that good an empiricist though. In the name of science!

PS: Glad you made it home safely, Sar!

Joshorilla · May 4th, 2013, 07:09 AM

The power required for the EFI electronics and fuel pump etc is but a tiny fraction of what's required to turn over the starter, generally a flat battery isn't flat but just doesn't have enough juice in it to turn the starter motor, so in 99% of cases you can bump an EFI bike, I would also hazard a guess that if the battery is completely kaput, you could power it enough over the alternator to get it going.

I'm not too sure how the starter / alternator works on our bikes, I assume we don't have a dedicated alternator unit, but that's unimportant.

I've bumped my EFI ninja for practise, I found 10mph, dump into first and it fires right up' YMMV

Jono · May 4th, 2013, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Also, now is better than ever to learn how to bump-start your ninja. The beautiful thing about manual transmissions is you can bump start them if the battery dies.

Fixed.

BlueHairSar · May 4th, 2013, 10:17 AM

Aw, Jono beat me to it.

Will the battery tender prolong the battery life at all at this point?

ps. SCIENCE!... Thanks Travis.

The ride through the deserted streets of the national mall/downtown DC was actually pretty nice. if I had one extra layer on, I probably would have stayed out longer.

n4mwd · May 4th, 2013, 03:23 PM

With the ecotrons EFI kit, a weak battery is more likely to cause a no-start condition long before it goes completely dead. The ECU requires a minimum of about 10 volts and it wont start if it drops below that - even for an instant. If it drops below 10 volts it triggers a reboot of the ECU and that takes about three seconds before it will do anything.

So what this means is that if you have at least 10V while the ignition switch is on, then it is possible to push start. If you have less than 10V, then its pretty much hopeless.

The carbed bike has the same problem, but the voltage threshold is lower at about 8 volts.

The alternator on the bike will put out an amp or two during the actual bump, but in the EFI case, it needs three seconds just to boot up. So with a completely dead battery, its pretty much hopeless. The exception might be if you were at the top of a long hill and were able to sustain the engine turning over for 20-30 seconds. But even that requires at least a partially responsive battery.

choneofakind · May 4th, 2013, 03:26 PM

Yeah I've pretty much accepted that I'm screwed if my battery ever dies because of my EFI kit. I'll just have to hope I can find someone with jumper cables if it comes to that.

n4mwd · May 4th, 2013, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Yeah I've pretty much accepted that I'm screwed if my battery ever dies because of my EFI kit. I'll just have to hope I can find someone with jumper cables if it comes to that.

I carry jumper cables just for that purpose.

http://www.amazon.com/Emgo-84-96306-...dp/B000WMRO3M/

Remember to only jump from non-running vehicles.

choneofakind · May 4th, 2013, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n4mwd

Remember to only jump from non-running vehicles.

yeah yeah yeah I'm not a newb.

n4mwd · May 4th, 2013, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choneofakind

yeah yeah yeah I'm not a newb.

Just said that in case a newb was reading it.

Live2ride · May 4th, 2013, 07:00 PM

I had this happen once when I stopped at a store on my 250, turned out it was a loose battery lead and yes you can roll start a FI bike. I just did it last night to my r6.....pushing it uphill....like a boss. Needless to say I got a new battery after work lol.

Panda · May 4th, 2013, 09:07 PM

This may or not be if interest but AMA roadside assistance won't jump a motorcycle. They will tow you though.

May 3rd, 2013, 10:07 PM	#1
BlueHairSar ninjette.org sage Name: Sarah Location: NYC Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): Silver 2005 Ninja 250 - Available for free mustache rides. Posts: 842	help i tried to ride home and bike won't start so, i just hopped on my bike, put in the key, added some chock, and pressed the starter button, and all i got was a very angry bee kind of very fast clicking. no engine turn over. sorry for not searching the forus first, but help! CouldThat Be The Battery? Anything I NeedToKnowBeforeI Try To Get Jump? __________________________________________________ https://www.facebook.com/BlueShootsYou \| http://blueshootsyou.com

May 3rd, 2013, 10:45 PM	#2
BlueHairSar ninjette.org sage Name: Sarah Location: NYC Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): Silver 2005 Ninja 250 - Available for free mustache rides. Posts: 842	Heh, nevermind. Dead Battery. Alex, Please Delete My Panicked Post As needed __________________________________________________ https://www.facebook.com/BlueShootsYou \| http://blueshootsyou.com

May 3rd, 2013, 11:58 PM	#3
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Yep - that's exactly what it sounds like when the battery isn't strong enough to engage the starter. Sound like you got it all sorted. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

May 4th, 2013, 12:02 AM	#4
BlueHairSar ninjette.org sage Name: Sarah Location: NYC Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): Silver 2005 Ninja 250 - Available for free mustache rides. Posts: 842	Yup, made it home safely! :0) Let's see if she starts in the morning... __________________________________________________ https://www.facebook.com/BlueShootsYou \| http://blueshootsyou.com

May 4th, 2013, 12:02 AM	#5
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Do you have a battery charger? __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

May 4th, 2013, 12:04 AM	#6
BlueHairSar ninjette.org sage Name: Sarah Location: NYC Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): Silver 2005 Ninja 250 - Available for free mustache rides. Posts: 842	I rid (rided... road...hm) around for close to an hour to charge her a bit. I do have a trickle charger somewhere, I'll have to dig around to find it. __________________________________________________ https://www.facebook.com/BlueShootsYou \| http://blueshootsyou.com

May 4th, 2013, 12:06 AM	#7
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Sounds good. If you're charging system is reasonably OK, an hour should be more than enough to get the battery back in shape. Battery tenders are never a bad idea either. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

May 4th, 2013, 06:28 AM	#9
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Also, now is better than ever to learn how to bump-start your ninja. The beautiful thing about carbs is you can bump start them if the battery dies.

May 4th, 2013, 06:57 AM	#11
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	I mean I know that some of them can be. I'm not sure my EFI kit can be. I'm just thinking with a totally dead battery. Like dead dead. I'm not sure if the injectors would fire. Give it a try!! Run your battery to nothing and go at it

May 4th, 2013, 07:09 AM	#13
Joshorilla Bass Master General Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 24	The power required for the EFI electronics and fuel pump etc is but a tiny fraction of what's required to turn over the starter, generally a flat battery isn't flat but just doesn't have enough juice in it to turn the starter motor, so in 99% of cases you can bump an EFI bike, I would also hazard a guess that if the battery is completely kaput, you could power it enough over the alternator to get it going. I'm not too sure how the starter / alternator works on our bikes, I assume we don't have a dedicated alternator unit, but that's unimportant. I've bumped my EFI ninja for practise, I found 10mph, dump into first and it fires right up' YMMV

May 4th, 2013, 10:17 AM	#15
BlueHairSar ninjette.org sage Name: Sarah Location: NYC Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): Silver 2005 Ninja 250 - Available for free mustache rides. Posts: 842	Aw, Jono beat me to it. Will the battery tender prolong the battery life at all at this point? ps. SCIENCE!... Thanks Travis. The ride through the deserted streets of the national mall/downtown DC was actually pretty nice. if I had one extra layer on, I probably would have stayed out longer. __________________________________________________ https://www.facebook.com/BlueShootsYou \| http://blueshootsyou.com

May 4th, 2013, 03:23 PM	#16
n4mwd ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: D Location: Palm Beach, FL Join Date: Oct 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Ninja 250R, 2007 EFI Ninja 250R Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 1	With the ecotrons EFI kit, a weak battery is more likely to cause a no-start condition long before it goes completely dead. The ECU requires a minimum of about 10 volts and it wont start if it drops below that - even for an instant. If it drops below 10 volts it triggers a reboot of the ECU and that takes about three seconds before it will do anything. So what this means is that if you have at least 10V while the ignition switch is on, then it is possible to push start. If you have less than 10V, then its pretty much hopeless. The carbed bike has the same problem, but the voltage threshold is lower at about 8 volts. The alternator on the bike will put out an amp or two during the actual bump, but in the EFI case, it needs three seconds just to boot up. So with a completely dead battery, its pretty much hopeless. The exception might be if you were at the top of a long hill and were able to sustain the engine turning over for 20-30 seconds. But even that requires at least a partially responsive battery. __________________________________________________ My Ninja Blog Proud member of ABATE.My NYC Road Rage documentary - CENSORED!
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May 4th, 2013, 03:26 PM	#17
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Yeah I've pretty much accepted that I'm screwed if my battery ever dies because of my EFI kit. I'll just have to hope I can find someone with jumper cables if it comes to that.

May 4th, 2013, 07:00 PM	#21
Live2ride ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Cody Location: NoVa Join Date: Jan 2011 Motorcycle(s): 06 yzf r6r previously: 09 ninja 250r, black 07 zx6r Posts: A lot.	I had this happen once when I stopped at a store on my 250, turned out it was a loose battery lead and yes you can roll start a FI bike. I just did it last night to my r6.....pushing it uphill....like a boss. Needless to say I got a new battery after work lol. __________________________________________________

May 4th, 2013, 09:07 PM	#22
Panda not an actual panda Name: dan Location: philadelphia Join Date: Aug 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250, 2009 CBR600RR (Sold) Posts: A lot.	This may or not be if interest but AMA roadside assistance won't jump a motorcycle. They will tow you though.
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