Ripped a hole in frame while removing kickstand mount

daverdfw · February 21st, 2016, 07:01 PM

How screwed am i? From what I can tell all of the welds behind the frame are intact, the area doesn't feel weakened at all. Can I leave it? Slap a small piece of angle iron and JB weld? Get small piece of metal welded over top?

nickjpass · February 21st, 2016, 07:04 PM

Never seen that... lol

I'd get it welded up properly. Call it a day after lol

daverdfw · February 21st, 2016, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nickjpass

Never seen that... lol

I'd get it welded up properly. Call it a day after lol

my guess Is i should have cut just a tad lower, I got it right on the weld, just bad positioning on my part.

RacinNinja · February 21st, 2016, 07:09 PM

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my guess Is i should have cut just a tad lower, I got it right on the weld, just bad positioning on my part.

Please, for the love of all that is holy, do NOT JB weld that. JB weld is for small holes and I won't even use it for that. There are much better putty's on the market.

Call a buddy with a welder or find a shop with a welder and have a piece welded in there and painted. Properly done, it will be strong and just fine.

daverdfw · February 21st, 2016, 07:10 PM

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Please, for the love of all that is holy, do NOT JB weld that. JB weld is for small holes and I won't even use it for that. There are much better putty's on the market.

Call a buddy with a welder or find a shop with a welder and have a piece welded in there and painted. Properly done, it will be strong and just fine.

the JB weld was kinda a joke

RacinNinja · February 21st, 2016, 07:12 PM

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the JB weld was kinda a joke

Wellll......I had hoped so but past experience has taught me to never assume......

I've had people seriously consider that as an option.

daverdfw · February 21st, 2016, 07:15 PM

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Wellll......I had hoped so but past experience has taught me to never assume......

I've had people seriously consider that as an option.

I just sent an email to a local shop. Hoping they can fix it. I dont think its a major issue but wanna get it done right. Track day is in 2 weeks

RacinNinja · February 21st, 2016, 07:17 PM

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I just sent an email to a local shop. Hoping they can fix it. I dont think its a major issue but wanna get it done right. Track day is in 2 weeks

It's not a hugely structural part of the frame....that said, there's nothing better than having it done right. Good on ya!

The biggest issue I see with that is now the inside of the frame, that is not painted, is exposed to water and other nasties that could cause internal rust you can't see.

daverdfw · February 21st, 2016, 07:18 PM

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It's not a hugely structural part of the frame....that said, there's nothing better than having it done right. Good on ya!

The biggest issue I see with that is now the inside of the frame, that is not painted, is exposed to water and other nasties that could cause internal rust you can't see.

there is actually a small hole already drilled toward the back of that area. It must be a drain hole.

I will see what I get quoted to weld it. I can always find a way to kinda cover it to protect it.

RacinNinja · February 21st, 2016, 07:21 PM

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there is actually a small hole already drilled toward the back of that area. It must be a drain hole.

I will see what I get quoted to weld it. I can always find a way to kinda cover it to protect it.

Well, whaddaya know! I'm gonna have to go check mine now. I never noticed a hole there before.

daverdfw · February 21st, 2016, 07:21 PM

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Well, whaddaya know! I'm gonna have to go check mine now. I never noticed a hole there before.

let me try and get a pic for ya hang on

daverdfw · February 21st, 2016, 07:24 PM

RacinNinja · February 21st, 2016, 07:25 PM

I think you're spot on that's a drain hole.

Never noticed it before.

daverdfw · February 21st, 2016, 07:31 PM

the entire area is still welded solid. I tried to tap it to see if it was weakened but I didnt notice anything obvious.

nickjpass · February 22nd, 2016, 11:49 AM

Have a welder grind it down nicely and weld a plate onto it! It can be done, trust me!

HoneyBadgerRy · February 22nd, 2016, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RacinNinja

Wellll......I had hoped so but past experience has taught me to never assume......

I've had people seriously consider that as an option.

I saw someone cut a peice of popcan, rivet it to the top of their piston, and shmear some JB weld on it for good measure... And then it worked.

RacinNinja · February 22nd, 2016, 12:38 PM

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I saw someone cut a peice of popcan, rivet it to the top of their piston, and shmear some JB weld on it for good measure... And then it worked.

Define "worked".

HoneyBadgerRy · February 22nd, 2016, 12:45 PM

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Define "worked".

The engine ran until he sold it.

tgold · February 22nd, 2016, 12:58 PM

I was just looking at how I was going to remove the bracket yesterday and I was thinking about how I don't want to leave any unneeded material.

If I get too enthusiastic with the cutoff wheel, I fortunately have a TIG welder sitting about 6 feet away!

RacinNinja · February 22nd, 2016, 02:32 PM

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The engine ran until he sold it.

I don't.....I'm not....my brain hurts.

daverdfw · February 22nd, 2016, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tgold

I was just looking at how I was going to remove the bracket yesterday and I was thinking about how I don't want to leave any unneeded material.

If I get too enthusiastic with the cutoff wheel, I fortunately have a TIG welder sitting about 6 feet away!

I started cutting where you can see the line of the bend on the bracket, do it lower that I did to avoid this. If i went like 1/4 inch lower I would have missed the weld. Just bad luck/ inexperience on my part. Waiting for a quote from local bike shop to get this thing fixed. I think I could ride it anyway, but no reason to halfass it. It shouldnt be a lot to fix that small of a hole.

crazymadbastard · February 22nd, 2016, 06:11 PM

Come by my house, I will weld that **** up for free.

daverdfw · February 22nd, 2016, 06:11 PM

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Come by my house, I will weld that **** up for free.

you are a bit of a drive from TX !

crazymadbastard · February 22nd, 2016, 06:12 PM

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you are a bit of a drive from TX !

Sometimes free is not so cheap.

toEleven · February 23rd, 2016, 11:02 AM

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The engine ran until he sold it.

Remind me never to buy anything from you (guilt by association).

HoneyBadgerRy · February 23rd, 2016, 11:10 AM

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Remind me never to buy anything from you (guilt by association).

I had no part in it, told him not to try it, and would have no part in scamming someone ever. When I sell something, I make sure that the buyer knows exactly what they are buying. Sleeping at night is worth more than the few thousand dollars I can make by selling people junk.

Trailerboy531 · February 23rd, 2016, 12:29 PM

Drill some holes above the cut and below the cut and zip tie it up. It provides strength but also flexibility.

daverdfw · February 24th, 2016, 08:21 PM

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Drill some holes above the cut and below the cut and zip tie it up. It provides strength but also flexibility.

really??

cbinker · February 25th, 2016, 12:07 AM

looks like you need a new chain, and lube it more often.

Yamahawk · February 25th, 2016, 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by daverdfw

I started cutting where you can see the line of the bend on the bracket, do it lower that I did to avoid this. If i went like 1/4 inch lower I would have missed the weld. Just bad luck/ inexperience on my part. Waiting for a quote from local bike shop to get this thing fixed. I think I could ride it anyway, but no reason to halfass it. It shouldnt be a lot to fix that small of a hole.

I would find someone you know with a MIG welder. It would be a five minute fix with a MIG welder to seal that small of area, without adding ANY plate or extra metal Keep laying small horizontal beads, top and bottom until they meet and you're done. Just my 2 cents...

Being a retired pipe welder...

Trailerboy531 · February 25th, 2016, 11:05 AM

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really??

"Nobody ever lies on the internet" - Abraham Lincoln

DEFY · February 25th, 2016, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Trailerboy531

"Nobody ever lies on the internet" - Abraham Lincoln

Some times it's just easy to fall asleep:

daverdfw · February 25th, 2016, 11:17 AM

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looks like you need a new chain, and lube it more often.

yeah i bought this bike in November and the bike sat outside. I think the chain isnt too old 3500 miles. I will try and clean it and see if I can get it back in better shape.

jkv45 · February 25th, 2016, 11:51 AM

To repair that area, I would use a wire brush to remove the paint and clean the area, then make a patch from similar gauge sheetmetal, then MIG weld it in place.

You could possibly run numerous beads (as suggested) to close it up, but I'd probably make a patch myself. You could also gas weld it if you didn't have access to a MIG, but I would definitely close it up.

daverdfw · February 25th, 2016, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jkv45

To repair that area, I would use a wire brush to remove the paint and clean the area, then make a patch from similar gauge sheetmetal, then MIG weld it in place.

You could possibly run numerous beads (as suggested) to close it up, but I'd probably make a patch myself. You could also gas weld it if you didn't have access to a MIG, but I would definitely close it up.

I found a shop I am going to take it to and get it looked it. I don't wanna half-ass it

Yamahawk · February 25th, 2016, 12:28 PM

... fix it slow, or fix it fast... but never fix it half-fast :O

the fellow above that recommended a patch is correct, as you do need to clean and wire brush the area for any weld to be sound. It doesn't look like the area is even an inch wide, so however you decide to have it fixed, it would be worth doing it right.

daverdfw · February 26th, 2016, 12:27 PM

Took it to the shop today, mechanic told me I can ride it fine, but should get it welded. Will schedule to get it welded after track day next weekend. Will post up pics after its done.

crazymadbastard · February 27th, 2016, 12:12 PM

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"Nobody ever lies on the internet" - Abraham Lincoln

i lolz

crazymadbastard · February 27th, 2016, 12:13 PM

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Took it to the shop today, mechanic told me I can ride it fine, but should get it welded. Will schedule to get it welded after track day next weekend. Will post up pics after its done.

go to a muffler shop they can weld it cheap.

February 21st, 2016, 07:01 PM	#1
daverdfw ninjette.org guru Name: David Location: Fort Worth,TX Join Date: Nov 2015 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250 Posts: 386	Ripped a hole in frame while removing kickstand mount How screwed am i? From what I can tell all of the welds behind the frame are intact, the area doesn't feel weakened at all. Can I leave it? Slap a small piece of angle iron and JB weld? Get small piece of metal welded over top?

February 21st, 2016, 07:04 PM	#2
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	Never seen that... lol I'd get it welded up properly. Call it a day after lol __________________________________________________

February 21st, 2016, 07:25 PM	#13
RacinNinja Vintage Screwball Name: B Location: Washington Join Date: Feb 2016 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250, 2008 Ninja 250, 2019 KTM 1290SDR, 2017 FZ10 Posts: A lot. MOTM - Mar '16	I think you're spot on that's a drain hole. Never noticed it before. __________________________________________________ Goin' fast on slow bikes!

February 22nd, 2016, 11:49 AM	#15
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	Have a welder grind it down nicely and weld a plate onto it! It can be done, trust me! __________________________________________________

February 22nd, 2016, 06:11 PM	#22
crazymadbastard I'm crazy,your excuse is? Name: Winston Location: Connecticut Join Date: May 2013 Motorcycle(s): 250 2007 ninja Posts: A lot.	Come by my house, I will weld that ** up for free. __________________________________________________ My Cafe Racer Build My intro post**

February 21st, 2016, 07:24 PM	#12
daverdfw ninjette.org guru Name: David Location: Fort Worth,TX Join Date: Nov 2015 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250 Posts: 386

February 21st, 2016, 07:31 PM	#14
daverdfw ninjette.org guru Name: David Location: Fort Worth,TX Join Date: Nov 2015 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250 Posts: 386	the entire area is still welded solid. I tried to tap it to see if it was weakened but I didnt notice anything obvious.

February 22nd, 2016, 12:58 PM	#19
tgold ninjette.org sage Name: Timm Location: West Seneca, NY Join Date: Oct 2015 Motorcycle(s): 2006 1050 Speed Triple, 2010 250 Ninja racebike, YZF320RR? Racebike Posts: 556 MOTM - Nov '15	I was just looking at how I was going to remove the bracket yesterday and I was thinking about how I don't want to leave any unneeded material. If I get too enthusiastic with the cutoff wheel, I fortunately have a TIG welder sitting about 6 feet away!

February 23rd, 2016, 12:29 PM	#27
Trailerboy531 Gear crash test dummy Name: Max Location: South Bay (So. Cal) Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250 race bike, 2014 ZX-636r Posts: A lot.	Drill some holes above the cut and below the cut and zip tie it up. It provides strength but also flexibility. __________________________________________________ CVMA #531
	2 out of 2 members found this post helpful.

February 25th, 2016, 12:07 AM	#29
cbinker Track Clown Name: Chris Location: Kingman, AZ Join Date: May 2012 Motorcycle(s): '08 250R, 21 MV F3 800, Kawasaki 400 build Posts: A lot. MOTM - Sep '15	looks like you need a new chain, and lube it more often. __________________________________________________ TEAM ALFALFA www.apexassassins.com

February 25th, 2016, 11:51 AM	#34
jkv45 Rev Limiter Name: Jay Location: WI Join Date: Jul 2013 Motorcycle(s): '06 SV650n, '00 Derbi GPR, '64 CA77 Dream 305, '70 CL450 Scrambler, numerous dirt bikes Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jun '18, Oct '16	To repair that area, I would use a wire brush to remove the paint and clean the area, then make a patch from similar gauge sheetmetal, then MIG weld it in place. You could possibly run numerous beads (as suggested) to close it up, but I'd probably make a patch myself. You could also gas weld it if you didn't have access to a MIG, but I would definitely close it up.

February 25th, 2016, 12:28 PM	#36
Yamahawk Chaplain Name: Charlie Location: Toledo Join Date: Nov 2015 Motorcycle(s): 75 RD350 race bike, 82 XZ550RJ Vision, 81 XV920RH, 89 VTR250 Interceptor race bike, 06 Concours, 86 EX250E1 Posts: 153	... fix it slow, or fix it fast... but never fix it half-fast :O the fellow above that recommended a patch is correct, as you do need to clean and wire brush the area for any weld to be sound. It doesn't look like the area is even an inch wide, so however you decide to have it fixed, it would be worth doing it right. __________________________________________________ God chose what the world thinks foolish to shame the wise,what the world thinks as weak to shame the strong,what is despised in the world,what is nothing,to set aside what is regarded as something

February 26th, 2016, 12:27 PM	#37
daverdfw ninjette.org guru Name: David Location: Fort Worth,TX Join Date: Nov 2015 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250 Posts: 386	Took it to the shop today, mechanic told me I can ride it fine, but should get it welded. Will schedule to get it welded after track day next weekend. Will post up pics after its done.

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