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Old February 27th, 2012, 12:59 PM   #1
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gas prices up...want another pregen 250...

i have been riding the hell out of my 04 250, but with 43k on it i wanted to get a low mileage pregen just in case...also have a cbr600 but the 250 is more fun...

so i have been checking CL but can't find one for a reasonable price, but this is crazy...

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...855032955.html

anywho i need another pregen...maybe i will just ride mine to the ground...
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Old February 27th, 2012, 01:20 PM   #2
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i have been riding the hell out of my 04 250, but with 43k on it i wanted to get a low mileage pregen just in case...also have a cbr600 but the 250 is more fun...

so i have been checking CL but can't find one for a reasonable price, but this is crazy...

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...855032955.html

anywho i need another pregen...maybe i will just ride mine to the ground...
I think it would be easier to have the parts on hand to do a rebuild.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 01:24 PM   #3
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I would check CL and ebay for used engines and transmissions instead of buying a whole new pre-gen.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 01:27 PM   #4
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i have been riding the hell out of my 04 250, but with 43k on it i wanted to get a low mileage pregen just in case...also have a cbr600 but the 250 is more fun...

so i have been checking CL but can't find one for a reasonable price, but this is crazy...

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv...855032955.html

anywho i need another pregen...maybe i will just ride mine to the ground...
$3500?!?!?!?..... Priced to Sell?!?!?

You could also just buy a low (ish) miles motor and do a swap.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 01:30 PM   #5
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someone should inform that seller that his ninja was $3500 brand spanking new. I wouldn't pay more than $2000 for a pregen. Period.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 03:54 PM   #6
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I would guess it's a shop not a dealer? idk.

The shop I use had a mint gzxr600 with some awesome parts on it, all done by them with a professional paintjob of your choice. 10,000 miles, $4k. If I had the money when I saw it, I woulda bought it. It was a salvage that they used their frame machine to fix, new body work, new exhaust system, new forks, PCIII, all the goodies. They said the owner was debating buying it as a personal track bike. My dad took one look at it, saw my face, and immediately said, "no I'm not loaning you money".
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Old February 27th, 2012, 04:02 PM   #7
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Old February 27th, 2012, 04:22 PM   #8
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I was going to get a 600cc+ bike, but with gas going up, I think I'll hold on to my bike. It's so hard to give up 65mpg right now.

When I crunch the numbers, it becomes crazy for me to give up my bike.

Not to mention the fun factor.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 04:52 PM   #9
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I don't understand your reasoning. Gas prices ALWAYS go up. Sure they may dip down for a few weeks, but in the end, they always end up higher than they were a couple months ago. It's how the oil industry gets us to accept the higher prices. When we had our last spike that was from $3-$3.50, people were outraged and wanted to do their national "let's not buy gas for a day" shtick. Those events are worthless. Now, we're nearing $5 a gallon in some parts of the country without so much as a peep from the same people who were outraged last year. They got used to it being $4/gallon and it will only keep happening.

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Old February 27th, 2012, 05:09 PM   #10
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someone should inform that seller that his ninja was $3500 brand spanking new. I wouldn't pay more than $2000 for a pregen. Period.
MSRP was $2,999.



That man is insane!!!!!!!!
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Old February 27th, 2012, 08:33 PM   #11
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To those of you getting 65+ mpg, how? I just accuratly checked mine and im getting right at about 50 mpg, which kind of suprised me, i expected more out of it. I ride it casually, with the exception of a little hard riding. I do have my needles shimmed with 2 washers under each. I was wondering, with the warmer weather coming along, will removing one washer even it out? Or is it the opposite effect? Anyways, i would LOVE to be getting 65mpg, i guess part of it, well alot of it is how i ride.
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Old February 27th, 2012, 08:58 PM   #12
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What exactly does shimming the needle do? It lets more fuel in, more fuel means you burn it faster. Burning it faster means you lose economy. Riding it hard will also impair economy. Your riding position will also affect economy. Your weight will also affect it. Burnouts make it go all to hell.
Yes it does, but how does temperature effect the fuel? Like warmer weather = richer or leaner, colder weather = richer or leaner? And well i know everyone has those days when they get on it a little bit And im 6'1" and weigh 170ish, so i think thats pretty average, then again you get a girl that weighs 100, shes going to get much better mileage. And me + burnouts on Ninja 250 = nono, too expensive and hard on everything. Me+ burnouts on dirtbike = smile on my face
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Old February 27th, 2012, 09:42 PM   #13
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@gilmorec61 it's not just the shimming. It's also the fact that pregens get better mileage than newgens for some reason. I would love to say that I know why because of the timing of the valves or something, but I really don'y know why
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Old February 27th, 2012, 09:45 PM   #14
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Old February 28th, 2012, 08:32 AM   #15
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So you are going to spend how much money to save how much money?
Well lets just say that i bought this bike because my truck gets 11mpg...And now that i know my bike is getting 50mpg, and I'm driving 30 miles a day just to school and back, im saving alot of money.

So lets see...
30miles/11mpg=2.7gal of gas Truck
30miles/50mpg=.6gal of gas Bike

With gas around $3.60 a gal right now:

2.7gal. x $3.60 = $ 9.72 Truck
.6gal. x $3.60 = $ 2.16 Bike

So I am basically spending $2.16 a day to save $ 7.56 a day.

$7.56 x 5days a week = $37.80 savings a week

$37.80 x roughly 25 days a month = $945 a MONTH!!

$945 x 12 months = $11,340 a YEAR!!

And thats just going to school, thats not counting going to stores, freinds, etc...

Wow, i didnt know it was that much, but thats crazy!

Since ive been riding my bike since January I've put somewhere around 1500 miles on it.

Thats ALOT of saved money right there, i could almost buy 3 brand new ninjas with that kinda money in a year!! Well this makes me feel a little better about everything, but hope that answers your question jiggles
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Old February 28th, 2012, 10:24 AM   #16
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To those of you getting 65+ mpg, how? I just accuratly checked mine and im getting right at about 50 mpg, which kind of suprised me, i expected more out of it. I ride it casually, with the exception of a little hard riding. I do have my needles shimmed with 2 washers under each. I was wondering, with the warmer weather coming along, will removing one washer even it out? Or is it the opposite effect? Anyways, i would LOVE to be getting 65mpg, i guess part of it, well alot of it is how i ride.
I don't get nearly 50MPG. Those getting 60+ usually have a pregen, which Kawi claimed was 85MPG. Kawi only claims 61MPG for the current model.
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Not sure really. The carbs are the same except for the needles, and the jet sizes. The pregens actually have more advanced timing and larger main jets, which doesn't make sense either that pregens get better mileage.

The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is the different intake/exhaust timing that kawasaki did to beef up the midrange.
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Old February 28th, 2012, 11:10 AM   #18
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WeSo lets see...
30miles/11mpg=2.7gal of gas Truck
30miles/50mpg=.6gal of gas Bike

With gas around $3.60 a gal right now:

2.7gal. x $3.60 = $ 9.72 Truck
.6gal. x $3.60 = $ 2.16 Bike

So I am basically spending $2.16 a day to save $ 7.56 a day.

$7.56 x 5days a week = $37.80 savings a week
$37.80 x roughly 25 days a month = $945 a MONTH!!$945 x 12 months = $11,340 a YEAR!!

Thats ALOT of saved money right there, i could almost buy 3 brand new ninjas with that kinda money in a year!! Well this makes me feel a little better about everything, but hope that answers your question jiggles
If you save $7.56 a day there is no way you would save $11K a year ($11K/$7.56=~1500 days) It would take you 7+ years to save that much if you just did your school commute. And if you are driving only to school approx 9 total months of the year not including breaks and summer you are doing that commute ~190 days per year. 190*7.56=$1,436. Add on your other trips and you obviously save more. So to @Jiggles point, even with the great gas savings it may take you 3 years to recoup your investment on the bike when you add in insurance, registration, etc.

You are spending $4500 to save ~$1500 per year.
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I think if u are spending 11k per year on gas then you need to seriously reevaluate you life and that's not even the claimed total spent, that's the claimed total saved. So you pay around 15k per year for gas? Lol
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The shop I use had a mint gzxr600 with some awesome parts on it, all done by them with a professional paintjob of your choice. 10,000 miles, $4k. If I had the money when I saw it, I woulda bought it. It was a salvage that they used their frame machine to fix, new body work, new exhaust system, new forks, PCIII, all the goodies. They said the owner was debating buying it as a personal track bike. My dad took one look at it, saw my face, and immediately said, "no I'm not loaning you money".

I imagine your face looked like this:




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Old February 28th, 2012, 04:25 PM   #22
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Your math is broken. First if you are doing "5 days a week" there is only an average of 21 days a month not 25. Second once you make it "weekly" you shouldnt multiply by 25, 4.33 would be a better number since there are 4.33 weeks in an average month Correcting both of those issues you are looking at just under $2k/year in savings - at current gas prices.
$7.56 * 5 * 52 = $1965 and change



I think his question was more about spending money to improve the 50mpg to 60mpg. The savings there at 10mpg 21 days a month (average "work days" per month) 30 miles per day is not that much.

50mpg $45 and change
60mpg $38 or so

A $7 month savings to get the better fuel economy so if it costs more than $50 or so it wont be with it if the relative gas price stabilizes. If the relative price (how much "work" you have to put in to earning money for 1 gallon of gas) increases, and it will in May when the summer blend comes out and driving demand goes up, then this increases.

Even at $10/mo justifying more than $120 or so in upgrades just to save money seems like a losing proposition. Now if you are doing it for other reasons as well then you have to factor that in but if it is purely financial it seems like making a multi-year investment up front may not be that useful because in these turbulent times you dont know what next year will bring. I can guarantee that it will do at least one of 3 things, get better, get worse or stay the same.
Awww man, how stupid i feel!!! I dont know why i didnt see that...urghhh i knew it was wayyy too high to be true!!! And im good at math, I'm asian!! jk, Anyways, i overlooked that highly. I was doing that in my Web Design Class, and i was kind of rushing and i didnt think about it. My bad Anyways even with a $2,000 savings in a year, that pays off my bike. Then next year, i'll have $2,000 more to spend on whatever else. Thanks for the correction, glad you pointed that out

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I think if u are spending 11k per year on gas then you need to seriously reevaluate you life and that's not even the claimed total spent, that's the claimed total saved. So you pay around 15k per year for gas? Lol
Thats EXACTLY what i was thinking when i did it, i was like...this cant be right??? lol, that would be bad if i was spending that much.
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fair enough. the Js are estimated at 61 or 62 mpg so I dont see that as much of a difference. I did the math in my purchase decision of a cbr250 @ 77mpg vs a ninja250 @ 61mpg and it was about $20/month difference for me. The CBR required at least a corbin seat which would take years to pay off with that meager savings. Even the 61mpg number is still a $375-400/month savings for me vs my truck just to commute to work.

But hey the estimate for May (summer blend + summer driving season) is $0.60 cent increase not including anything in Afganistan, Iran, Syria, etc. That whole region is about to blow up again which can send gas prices up quite a bit (speculators can drive it up even if supply/demand forces do not change, the nature of commodities).

Roughly every $10 a barrel costs in futures contracts the pump price is $0.25/gallon ($0.95 or so national average base cost for excise taxes and refining). California has a $1.40 or so base price now which is why we are not paying $3.70 anymore.

Production in the US is up, we are exporting more than importing the problem to some degree is China demand. We are sending diesel and jet fuel to China because they will pay more than we will (which means it does not matter what the cost of getting it here is). One issue with production is that we are only able to use the high cost methods, methods that cost several times what some other methods would cost. Granted if we did both of them the supply might outweigh the demand and prices would fall to the point the expensive stuff had to slow or stop but meh.

All in all I do not see good things for gas prices and that may influence the demand on smaller engine bikes driving the price up. Yeah all that really was thread related
Why would the CBR need a Corbin?
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I find the CBR250 seat much better than the stock newgen seat. I've done 400 mile days in it without any issues...

The newgen ninja 250 seat gave me pain after only 2 hours or so of riding.

How did you sit in it for an hour at the dealership?
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Many? I've never heard complaints. Sit on a new-gen seat for a while..it isn't that amazing..a lot of people have gotten Corbins for it, myself included.

And isn't an hour a while to sit on a bike in a dealership?
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okay guys and gals, just picked up my fourth pregen...04, 16k+ miles, $1500......now my wife wants me to get rid of the other bike...04 also with 43K+ miles...

i am going to wring this chicken's neck till it squawks...i am as giddy with this bike as with the cbr600.,..

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To those of you getting 65+ mpg, how? I just accuratly checked mine and im getting right at about 50 mpg, which kind of suprised me, i expected more out of it. I ride it casually, with the exception of a little hard riding. I do have my needles shimmed with 2 washers under each. I was wondering, with the warmer weather coming along, will removing one washer even it out? Or is it the opposite effect? Anyways, i would LOVE to be getting 65mpg, i guess part of it, well alot of it is how i ride.
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well sold my other 04 for $800...

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