The tip of the peg

[csmith12]

So, I have a couple of ideas but wanted to bounce this off other experienced riders.



Notice the end of the peg is digging into the ball of my foot. I am doing everything I can to not weight the inside peg too much, but 30min sessions are pretty rough on the feet. Also, the pressure and angle of the ankle is strange and something that I would like to tweak on my riding ergos.

Things that I have thought of;

Grind an angle at the end of the peg to better match the angle of my foot
NOT putting my foot at the end of the peg, this works... but makes the pressure on the ankle worse
Buy some of those fancy California Superbike School rearsets that have the angle as part of the design (would have to fab a mount bracket I presume)

Shorter or longer pegs could be an option????
Issue with my body position, riding style, flexibility, ect...

Another negative thing is, it takes me more time and attention than I think I should be spending to get my foot into position.

What are your thoughts?

[SLOWn60]

I'll bite! I don't see those CSBS pegs on their website. Do you have a link where to get them? They may solve that very same problem I have!

[csmith12]

http://www.gillestooling.com/cms/sho...perbike-school

[SLOWn60]

Originally Posted by csmith12

http://www.gillestooling.com/cms/sho...perbike-school

Thanks Chris
There's even a distributor here in Vancouver!

[csmith12]

If you try them out Bill, please come back and do a review, thanks.

[SLOWn60]

Originally Posted by csmith12

If you try them out Bill, please come back and do a review, thanks.

Will do!

[tgold]

I had worked independently on something like this for myself several years ago and it was for the very same reason. I put a lot of thought into the problem and actually posted some of my CAD drawings on SVrider to get some input. It takes a lot more machining.

I think that the CSS design design has potential to solve the problem.

One of the iterations of what I was working on:

[csmith12]

hmmm... Why did you go for a flange design vs a round peg?

[sharky nrk]

I find these to be really interesting as my foot/leg/knee position can give me ALOT of discomfort due to knee injuries. I wonder if this would help me avoid loading my knee because of foot/ankle placement.

[subxero]

soo you are saying it's just the tip?

Link to original page on YouTube.

[tgold]

Originally Posted by csmith12

hmmm... Why did you go for a flange design vs a round peg?

I was trying for something somewhat modular. My thinking was that riders would have different preferences and it would be easier to change the plate to suit the rider.

I like the CSS design because it looks like one part works for either the left or right side.

[SLOWn60]

Originally Posted by csmith12

So, I have a couple of ideas but wanted to bounce this off other experienced riders.



Notice the end of the peg is digging into the ball of my foot. I am doing everything I can to not weight the inside peg too much, but 30min sessions are pretty rough on the feet. Also, the pressure and angle of the ankle is strange and something that I would like to tweak on my riding ergos.

Things that I have thought of;

Grind an angle at the end of the peg to better match the angle of my foot
NOT putting my foot at the end of the peg, this works... but makes the pressure on the ankle worse
Buy some of those fancy California Superbike School rearsets that have the angle as part of the design (would have to fab a mount bracket I presume)

Shorter or longer pegs could be an option????
Issue with my body position, riding style, flexibility, ect...

Another negative thing is, it takes me more time and attention than I think I should be spending to get my foot into position.

What are your thoughts?

I'm drawing you into this conversation @Misti !

I can't ask you if the CSBS pegs are a big improvement as it may be a conflict of interest! But; have you used them?

So far I've had no luck sourcing them. CSBS doesn't have them on the website store, Gilles tooling & CSBS haven't yet answered my emails (only sent today so I don't expect they would have) and OPP Racing (the NA Distributor) has no listing for them and I'm told everything they've ordered from Gilles recently seems to be back ordered 6 months!

I don't expect or ask you to get involved with me ordering them, only if you are familiar with the pegs and if you know if they are available.
On the otherhand; if you know of a pair gathering dust in the CSBS trailer or Will's toolbox: I'd love to buy them! I'll be modifying them to fit my 250R

[verboten1]

Originally Posted by subxero

soo you are saying it's just the tip?

I came into this thread to pose the same question.

[Sirref]

That reminds me a lot of what @Floki 's left peg is like. I noticed it helped a lot with not putting weight on it on lefts but it also meant I couldnt put as much weight on it in rights either so it was a double edged sword there

[SLOWn60]

Well; I managed to source those fancy pegs but unless @csmith12 or @Misti is prepared to sponsor me: that test will have to wait until my lottery ticket finally pays the bills! $250 Canadian (or about $100 US? ) is a little rich for me. I'll try grinding a pair of pegs at my local track next spring and then flip them over to see if there's an improvement.

[csmith12]

/sigh.... Thanks for the effort.

I wish I could mang. If I come up with a custom (cheaper) solution, I will post it.

[adouglas]

Don't see why you'd need to buy such a thing.

Remove peg. Put in vise.

Die grinder to get the angle (copy the CSB peg if you want to get anal about it)
Triangular file to cut some teeth

Reinstall upside down.

Done and done. And if you don't like it, just flip it back over and you're where you started.

Total cost assuming you own basic tools: $0

Alternative:



Sure, you'll need some Neosporin to deal with the ends of those screws piercing your foot and getting on and off the bike will require some real creativity, but look at it this way: Your foot WILL be in the right spot....

[SLOWn60]

Originally Posted by adouglas

Don't see why you'd need to buy such a thing.

Obviously; a man to whom the words "Bling", "Farkle" and "Shiny" are meaningless!

[csmith12]

Well one of my options in the OP was to grind it down myself. I do have the tools and even if I muck it up royally, replacement pegs from woodcraft are only $25 a set. Imma try it.

[cuong-nutz]

I Looks like I have enough peg to grind it down to a similar fashion too.

[tgold]

JMHO after studying this a fair bit. A big part of the benefit in what we are looking for has to do with the width of the peg. The CSS peg is significantly wider than a standard Woodcraft peg so if you modify it, the increase in surface area isn't going to be as much as the CSS one.

This gives me an idea if you're in to the "make it yourself" sort of thing.

I'll try to draw something up in the next day or two for y'all.

Dang! you guys are making me drag this thing back to life.

[csmith12]

Thanks Timm for any and all insight you have on this. Many-a rider's feet may thank you.

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by SLOWn60

Obviously; a man to whom the words "Bling", "Farkle" and "Shiny" are meaningless!

Sex appeal is lost on those who are otherwise occupied.

[adouglas]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Sex appeal is lost on those who are otherwise occupied.

I'm too sexy for my....

Oh, wait. I'm not sexy.

Why the heck do you think the fist is there?

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by adouglas

I'm too sexy for my....

Oh, wait. I'm not sexy.

Why the heck do you think the fist is there?

Because... nice gloves and proud of them?

[tgold]

Here's one of the ideas that I had to try. The concept is basically taking a bar end weight and cutting a bevel in it then inserting it into the end of the footpeg with the exception that I'd use an 8mm bolt and a wedge-type metal insert to hold the extension in place:

[tgold]

Offset version:

[jkv45]

Originally Posted by tgold

Here's one of the ideas that I had to try. The concept is basically taking a bar end weight and cutting a bevel in it then inserting it into the end of the footpeg with the exception that I'd use an 8mm bolt and use a wedge-type metal insert to hold the extension in place:

That's a great solution to designing and manufacturing a complete beveled peg!

[adouglas]

Looks like a boot could get caught up on that as you reposition your foot. Or am I just not looking at it right?

[tgold]

Originally Posted by adouglas

Looks like a boot could get caught up on that as you reposition your foot. Or am I just not looking at it right?

I'm certainly open to input, but I'm not sure where you are thinking a boot would catch. These were fairly quick drawings. Here's something a little closer to what I was thinking. The front of the bike would be to the right.

[csmith12]

^^^ that graphic is getting real close to what I was thinking.

[tgold]

Originally Posted by csmith12

^^^ that graphic is getting real close to what I was thinking.

Draw on it and tell me what you want different, then I'll tweak the drawing.

I think that I can do this so that it is bolted from the inside.

Like this:

[adouglas]

Originally Posted by tgold

I'm certainly open to input, but I'm not sure where you are thinking a boot would catch. These were fairly quick drawings. Here's something a little closer to what I was thinking. The front of the bike would be to the right.

OK, that looks a bit different. In the earlier drawings it looked like the surface of the triangular tip was not lined up with the surface of the peg, creating a lip. If your toe happens to be on the peg but not the end and you try to move it laterally, it could catch. No biggie but if it distracts you at just the wrong moment....

With this latest rendering, it doesn't look like that would happen.

However...

In my experience, anything that even remotely looks like a hook will inevitably catch something, and usually at the worst/most inconvenient time. I'm sure we've all run into this at some point.

Ever had a belt loop catch on a door striker plate? I have. Tore the sucker right out of my pants. But when you look at the hardware, you think "no way could that ever catch on anything."

So general best practice IMHO is to get rid of stuff like that. It's why we design things with rounded corners... not because you're likely to prang yourself, but to get rid of the possibility you might.

[csmith12]

Thanks Timm

[tgold]

Originally Posted by csmith12

Thanks Timm

That'll actually take good bit of redrawing and I need to wrap up work for the week. I'll try to have something early next week.

[csmith12]

Np, take your time.

[mgentz]

you sourced the CSBS pegs for only $100 US....where sir? rearsets are $$$....$100 aint bad.

Originally Posted by SLOWn60

Well; I managed to source those fancy pegs but unless @csmith12 or @Misti is prepared to sponsor me: that test will have to wait until my lottery ticket finally pays the bills! $250 Canadian (or about $100 US? ) is a little rich for me. I'll try grinding a pair of pegs at my local track next spring and then flip them over to see if there's an improvement.

[csmith12]

Originally Posted by mgentz

you sourced the CSBS pegs for only $100 US....where sir? rearsets are $$$....$100 aint bad.

These are not the entire rearset, just two pegs that attach to your existing rearset mount if possible (adapters sold separately ya know... ).

[mgentz]

Originally Posted by csmith12

These are not the entire rearset, just two pegs that attach to your existing rearset mount if possible (adapters sold separately ya know... ).

I know. Yoshi pegs are $110 and they are just round pegs. These at least have fit, form and function.

You do need to buy the adapters RGK-300 with them as well. So I am wondering where his source is since I cannot locate one easily in the US.

I did just ask Hard Racing though...

[SLOWn60]

Originally Posted by mgentz

I know. Yoshi pegs are $110 and they are just round pegs. These at least have fit, form and function.

You do need to buy the adapters RGK-300 with them as well. So I am wondering where his source is since I cannot locate one easily in the US.

I did just ask Hard Racing though...

My source will have to wait until tomorrow morning when I'm at my desk. I'll post it here in the thread.
But; before you get too exited: the $100 price is only poking fun of the crappy exchange rate we Canadiens are suffering at the moment! The cost quoted to me is approximately $250 Canadian dollars but that is about $185 US$. Also; most motorcycle parts are usually 50% or more in Canada than the U.S.! We get screwed both from higher wholesale prices and the dollar exchange!