Some more mods

Somchai · February 9th, 2015, 01:24 AM

After @micoulisninja feels so happy with his slipper clutch now and I long ago had the idea that this would be good for me, since I'm an aggressive downshifter I'd order a slipper clutch for my bike http://www.slipperclutchs.com/kawasa...a-250-detail74
Also since my left hand broke with the last accident in december and it doesn't feel so good by now, I'd order the quick shifter from HealTech http://www.healtech-electronics.com/products/qse/
Last but not least and for diagnose of my bike I'd also order the OBD Tool from Healtech http://www.healtech-electronics.com/products/obd/

All of them arrived today

Still waiting for the radial master 13 mm to come...

And to complete my bike it's getting tapered roller bearings for the steering and also a lightweight lithium battery, which all I already have here at home.

After all those mods the weight will be down by 8 kg with the front and the rear at the same weight (163 kg wet with 81.5 kg for f+r).

Swann · February 9th, 2015, 01:59 AM

How much was the slipper clutch? I'm waiting for Takegawa to produce another batch.

Somchai · February 9th, 2015, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swann

How much was the slipper clutch? I'm waiting for Takegawa to product another batch.

At least 619 USD plus shipping, since I'd buy in Germany I'd pay in Euro.

JohnnyBravo · February 9th, 2015, 02:53 AM

Hope your hand gets to feeling better!

micoulisninja · February 9th, 2015, 03:23 AM

Hi Roland ! nice to see you get your bike upgraded and hope your hand heals up and gets back fully functional really soon ! Nice goodies you have there !
I am wondering though... the cost for the whole 300 engine along with the clutch was sth like 950€ with shipping to Greece from Germany...
wouldn't it be more cost worthy to get a whole engine instead of just the slipper for 600+ ??

Anyway, I believe you will really enjoy its virtues and can't wait to give us your impressions...
I used to have a hand built shifter connected to the PC V but now I am going to be using my dynojet one from my ZX-12R, still I like all Healtech stuff just fine !
My radial front brake master cylinder is from a '09 R1 which works great (along with a sumitomo stock '04 R1 4-pot brake caliper) even if kinda too big and I use a ballistic lithium battery like Pratik's but with 8 cells which can fire up even a V-2...
difference in weight is not much (about 2,5-3kg)in my case however the whole weight balancing of the bike changes dramatically to the better and makes it feel more flickable yet more controllable at the same time...this small change of weight distribution brings center of gravity to a better point and is excellent upgrade for anyone visiting the track more often... makes some room under the seat too for a compact raincover, a lock or some tools...

Somchai · February 9th, 2015, 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyBravo

Hope your hand gets to feeling better!

Thx, I think it takes some time but also I guess my left hand could be to slow for quick shifting in future - the age isn't good for anything...

Somchai · February 9th, 2015, 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by micoulisninja

Hi Roland ! nice to see you get your bike upgraded and hope your hand heals up and gets back fully functional really soon ! Nice goodies you have there !
I am wondering though... the cost for the whole 300 engine along with the clutch was sth like 950€ with shipping to Greece from Germany...
wouldn't it be more cost worthy to get a whole engine instead of just the slipper for 600+ ??

Anyway, I believe you will really enjoy its virtues and can't wait to give us your impressions...
I used to have a hand built shifter connected to the PC V but now I am going to be using my dynojet one from my ZX-12R, still I like all Healtech stuff just fine !
My radial front brake master cylinder is from a '09 R1 which works great (along with a sumitomo stock '04 R1 4-pot brake caliper) even if kinda too big and I use a ballistic lithium battery like Pratik's but with 8 cells which can fire up even a V-2...
difference in weight is not much (about 2,5-3kg)in my case however the whole weight balancing of the bike changes dramatically to the better and makes it feel more flickable yet more controllable at the same time...this small change of weight distribution brings center of gravity to a better point and is excellent upgrade for anyone visiting the track more often... makes some room under the seat too for a compact raincover, a lock or some tools...

Thx Nick, about the clutch instead of the engine - you should know that I look at engines from the technical point and from there the 250 is the better choice instead of the 300.
Also I just bought 15+42 sprockets and a second hand tb from the 300, what then brings me anywhere on the level of the R25 Yami with maybe 2 hp more what with all my other mods would mean app. 40 hp at the crank and that at least is more than I need.

JohnnyBravo · February 9th, 2015, 07:13 AM

Age tries it's best to bring the wisdom you thought you had in your youth!

Somchai · June 20th, 2015, 01:14 AM

Quick shifting is an absolute great thing and downshifts with a slipper clutch are just the same

And allow me one word about Healtech Electronics, not only their products are from great quality - no, their service is just the very best I ever had. Thank you Healtech

Swann · June 20th, 2015, 02:12 AM

I have both gear indicator and the quick shifter too.

Works for me!

Somchai · June 20th, 2015, 03:14 AM

Thx Swann, that's good to hear.
May I ask you about your parameters?
Mine are:
Sensor threshold - 10 N s
First RPM - 4000 RPM
Last RPM - 12000 RPM
QSE sensor
4000 RPM - 85 ms
5000 RPM - 85 ms
6000 RPM - 80 ms
7000 RPM - 80 ms
8000 RPM - 75 ms
9000 RPM - 75 ms
10000 RPM - 70 ms
11000 RPM - 70 ms
12000 RPM - 65 ms
By the way, in combination with GP-Shift the Quick Shifter is fantastic

Somchai · July 1st, 2015, 03:34 AM

Mission accomplished - all modifications installed.

Swann · July 1st, 2015, 04:20 PM

That is SERIOUS.

I have something like that, but I think you have more toys on your bike.

When you installed the swing arm, did it increase or decrease your wheelbase?

Somchai · July 1st, 2015, 06:26 PM

Jake, the measurements from the aluminum swing arm are the same like stock, so it didn't change anything in this case.
But the aluminum swing arm is much more stable than the stock, so the handling of the bike is much better with it.

Somchai · September 29th, 2015, 03:05 AM

After the last day rides I must say that I'm really happy with the setup of my suspension like it is now.
My Ninja never felt so good before, especially the front.
With the stock suspension, especially the front, I didn't feel very secure and well.
After I'd install the FEGV from Racetech, used 15W fork-oil it was better but still not what I'd want like it should be.
Now after a real professional (Kawasaki Race-Mech with 20 years experience in suspension-tuning) did the setup, I'm very happy with what I got.
Even when his experience is based on USD-forks and he'd never before had anything to do with FEGV's (here I could assist) its great how it is now.
Interesting is, that he admitted to use 10W fork-oil and with this it even feels better than before, with 15W the rebound was slower.
And also interesting is, that my fork when the bike is parked and with the brake grabbed just feels soft like pudding. I can push them a long way down.
The reason for this is that with the HKS GGV my fork doesn't have no more breakaway torque, this is complete eliminated.
When I ride her than the front fork is smooth but also feels very stiff, so the high and low-speed damping is doing its work like it should.
So at the end I have to say there is nothing what could replace professional work, service and Know-How - even when the price sometimes is a little bit higher.
And one of the best mods I ever made, I must repeat, is the Quick-Shifter from Healtech.

omnipotent · October 25th, 2015, 10:59 PM

Unless I missed it, how much did the quick shifter run you? Did you install it yourself? If not, how much was labor?

Somchai · October 26th, 2015, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omnipotent

Unless I missed it, how much did the quick shifter run you? Did you install it yourself? If not, how much was labor?

Hi Bruce,
please take a look here http://shop.bluemonkeymotorsports.co...sy_p_1780.html
The price in US is 319.99 USD

Somchai · October 28th, 2015, 11:23 PM

@Swann, did or do you know this about the Ninja 250 FI?
Power output
23.5kW (32HP) / 11,000rpm (Indonesia / Malaysia / Philippines)
23.0kW (31HP) / 11,000rpm (Australia / Thailand / Southeast)
21.0Nm (2.1kgfm) / 10,000rpm (Indonesia / Malaysia / Philippines)
21.0Nm (2.1kgfm) / 8,500rpm (Australia / Thailand / Southeast)

Read here http://www.kawasaki1ban.com/news_topics/10508 plus search for the other years.

Swann · October 29th, 2015, 03:38 AM

Good information, Somchai.

Sadly they phased out the Ninja 250FI here and started selling the 300s.

Which made a lot of poeple happy, with the exception of current 250 owners, who wanted a 300 in the first place.

Somchai · November 16th, 2015, 02:58 AM

Here the truth about the Ninja 250 engine-power on dynos from an engine testbench:

1. US-Carburetor = 27.5 HP @ Crank

2. FI-Model (ECU=WVTA EU, IN) = 30.2 HP @ Crank (the graph's showing the power as 22.2 kW)

The FI-Models in TH may have around 31 HP @ Crank since their ignition is more advanced (IND, MY, PH = 32 HP).

Somchai · March 7th, 2016, 03:47 AM

It has disappeared

the high-frequency whistling noise from the gearbox while riding.

No second 2-Fiddy out there like mine...

February 9th, 2015, 01:59 AM	#2
Swann ninjette.org member Name: Jake Location: Manila Join Date: Apr 2014 Motorcycle(s): 250R Posts: 135	How much was the slipper clutch? I'm waiting for Takegawa to produce another batch. Last futzed with by Swann; February 9th, 2015 at 12:32 PM.

February 9th, 2015, 02:53 AM	#4
JohnnyBravo Certifiable nontundrum Name: Harper Location: NC Milkshake stand Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 SE NINJA 300 Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '13, Sep '16	Hope your hand gets to feeling better! __________________________________________________

February 9th, 2015, 03:23 AM	#5
micoulisninja modaholic junkie Name: Nick Location: Athens, Greece Join Date: Sep 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2001 ZX-12R, 2009 ninja 345cc and plenty of others in the past... Posts: 438 Blog Entries: 2	Hi Roland ! nice to see you get your bike upgraded and hope your hand heals up and gets back fully functional really soon ! Nice goodies you have there ! I am wondering though... the cost for the whole 300 engine along with the clutch was sth like 950€ with shipping to Greece from Germany... wouldn't it be more cost worthy to get a whole engine instead of just the slipper for 600+ ?? Anyway, I believe you will really enjoy its virtues and can't wait to give us your impressions... I used to have a hand built shifter connected to the PC V but now I am going to be using my dynojet one from my ZX-12R, still I like all Healtech stuff just fine ! My radial front brake master cylinder is from a '09 R1 which works great (along with a sumitomo stock '04 R1 4-pot brake caliper) even if kinda too big and I use a ballistic lithium battery like Pratik's but with 8 cells which can fire up even a V-2... difference in weight is not much (about 2,5-3kg)in my case however the whole weight balancing of the bike changes dramatically to the better and makes it feel more flickable yet more controllable at the same time...this small change of weight distribution brings center of gravity to a better point and is excellent upgrade for anyone visiting the track more often... makes some room under the seat too for a compact raincover, a lock or some tools... __________________________________________________ If noone has tried it before, I will !!!

February 9th, 2015, 07:13 AM	#8
JohnnyBravo Certifiable nontundrum Name: Harper Location: NC Milkshake stand Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 SE NINJA 300 Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '13, Sep '16	Age tries it's best to bring the wisdom you thought you had in your youth! __________________________________________________

September 29th, 2015, 03:05 AM	#15
Somchai Freedom for Germany Location: This World Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R-FI Posts: A lot.	Happy... After the last day rides I must say that I'm really happy with the setup of my suspension like it is now. My Ninja never felt so good before, especially the front. With the stock suspension, especially the front, I didn't feel very secure and well. After I'd install the FEGV from Racetech, used 15W fork-oil it was better but still not what I'd want like it should be. Now after a real professional (Kawasaki Race-Mech with 20 years experience in suspension-tuning) did the setup, I'm very happy with what I got. Even when his experience is based on USD-forks and he'd never before had anything to do with FEGV's (here I could assist) its great how it is now. Interesting is, that he admitted to use 10W fork-oil and with this it even feels better than before, with 15W the rebound was slower. And also interesting is, that my fork when the bike is parked and with the brake grabbed just feels soft like pudding. I can push them a long way down. The reason for this is that with the HKS GGV my fork doesn't have no more breakaway torque, this is complete eliminated. When I ride her than the front fork is smooth but also feels very stiff, so the high and low-speed damping is doing its work like it should. So at the end I have to say there is nothing what could replace professional work, service and Know-How - even when the price sometimes is a little bit higher. And one of the best mods I ever made, I must repeat, is the Quick-Shifter from Healtech.
	1 out of 1 members found this post helpful.

June 20th, 2015, 01:14 AM	#9
Somchai Freedom for Germany Location: This World Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R-FI Posts: A lot.	Quick shifting is an absolute great thing and downshifts with a slipper clutch are just the same And allow me one word about Healtech Electronics, not only their products are from great quality - no, their service is just the very best I ever had. Thank you Healtech

June 20th, 2015, 02:12 AM	#10
Swann ninjette.org member Name: Jake Location: Manila Join Date: Apr 2014 Motorcycle(s): 250R Posts: 135	I have both gear indicator and the quick shifter too. Works for me!

June 20th, 2015, 03:14 AM	#11
Somchai Freedom for Germany Location: This World Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R-FI Posts: A lot.	Thx Swann, that's good to hear. May I ask you about your parameters? Mine are: Sensor threshold - 10 N s First RPM - 4000 RPM Last RPM - 12000 RPM QSE sensor 4000 RPM - 85 ms 5000 RPM - 85 ms 6000 RPM - 80 ms 7000 RPM - 80 ms 8000 RPM - 75 ms 9000 RPM - 75 ms 10000 RPM - 70 ms 11000 RPM - 70 ms 12000 RPM - 65 ms By the way, in combination with GP-Shift the Quick Shifter is fantastic

July 1st, 2015, 04:20 PM	#13
Swann ninjette.org member Name: Jake Location: Manila Join Date: Apr 2014 Motorcycle(s): 250R Posts: 135	That is SERIOUS. I have something like that, but I think you have more toys on your bike. When you installed the swing arm, did it increase or decrease your wheelbase?

July 1st, 2015, 06:26 PM	#14
Somchai Freedom for Germany Location: This World Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R-FI Posts: A lot.	Jake, the measurements from the aluminum swing arm are the same like stock, so it didn't change anything in this case. But the aluminum swing arm is much more stable than the stock, so the handling of the bike is much better with it.

October 25th, 2015, 10:59 PM	#16
omnipotent ninjette.org newbie Name: Bruce Location: Dallas Join Date: Oct 2015 Motorcycle(s): 08 Ninja 250 Posts: 6	Unless I missed it, how much did the quick shifter run you? Did you install it yourself? If not, how much was labor?

October 28th, 2015, 11:23 PM	#18
Somchai Freedom for Germany Location: This World Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R-FI Posts: A lot.	@Swann, did or do you know this about the Ninja 250 FI? Power output 23.5kW (32HP) / 11,000rpm (Indonesia / Malaysia / Philippines) 23.0kW (31HP) / 11,000rpm (Australia / Thailand / Southeast) 21.0Nm (2.1kgfm) / 10,000rpm (Indonesia / Malaysia / Philippines) 21.0Nm (2.1kgfm) / 8,500rpm (Australia / Thailand / Southeast) Read here http://www.kawasaki1ban.com/news_topics/10508 plus search for the other years.

October 29th, 2015, 03:38 AM	#19
Swann ninjette.org member Name: Jake Location: Manila Join Date: Apr 2014 Motorcycle(s): 250R Posts: 135	Good information, Somchai. Sadly they phased out the Ninja 250FI here and started selling the 300s. Which made a lot of poeple happy, with the exception of current 250 owners, who wanted a 300 in the first place.

March 7th, 2016, 03:47 AM	#21
Somchai Freedom for Germany Location: This World Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R-FI Posts: A lot.	It has disappeared the high-frequency whistling noise from the gearbox while riding. No second 2-Fiddy out there like mine...

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