Should the CVMA 250 Class be segregated by experience (EXPERT/AMATEUR) next season? - Page 2

Shawn3210 · June 4th, 2012, 08:15 AM

Shawn3210 · June 4th, 2012, 08:17 AM

dino74 · June 4th, 2012, 08:47 AM

^^^^^^^^^^ I <3 Shawn!

cynicalkit · June 4th, 2012, 08:55 AM

For me it's not about the money. If it was, I am in the wrong hobby here. As long as I am able to keep improving I am up for whatever decision makes that happen. We can buy our own trophys for like $5 if it was that important.
Make my own 6th place trophy lol.

Side note:
A while back I was really pissed off that this guy said that riding a 250 was not real racing and that we were just circles around the track. It really set me off because that guy didn't realize that our 250 guys were matching sv expert pace and novice middleweight pace. People looking down on me made me sad, like I didn't know how to ride a "real" bike. Enough to the point where Shane asked if I wanted to sell my 250 and pick up the SV instead. But I love my 250 and have yet to learn more on it. I have to focus on me, not what people say about me. I hate drama, but I understand getting hurt by words too. Just throwing that in there.

Dmented · June 4th, 2012, 08:57 AM

^^^^^^^^^^ I <3 Kit!

dino74 · June 4th, 2012, 09:00 AM

^^^^^^^^^^ I <3 Darren!

Shawn3210 · June 4th, 2012, 09:00 AM

y u no love jonathan????

dino74 · June 4th, 2012, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Shawn3210

y u no love jonathan????

Jonathon does enough self loving already...

Dmented · June 4th, 2012, 10:03 AM

Trailerboy531 · June 4th, 2012, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dmented

Is this you?

listen man...

Indetrucks · June 4th, 2012, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cynicalkit

A while back I was really pissed off that this guy said that riding a 250 was not real racing and that we were just circles around the track. It really set me off because that guy didn't realize that our 250 guys were matching some sv experts pace and novice middleweight pace.

fixed

cynicalkit · June 4th, 2012, 02:01 PM

Oy...

'some' SV people and 'some' middleweights.

Zombiphone · June 4th, 2012, 02:06 PM

Whoa whoa whoa whoa- we might let you cuddle with us in the pits, but you can't come moseying back onto this forum unless you're looking to buy another 250, Xtian

Until then, let us resume making fun of those slow ass wcgp sv's that can't match our times

Dmented · June 4th, 2012, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Zombiphone

...you can't come moseying back onto this forum unless you're looking to buy another 250, Xtian...

DO AS SHE SAY'S MISTER! BUY 250 FOR NEXT YEARS MADNESS!!!

Nemesis · June 4th, 2012, 03:26 PM

Fyi guys - This just in from Dustin:

Quote:

just a heads up.. I'm all for this.. Cvma staff is discussing it.. I'll let you know asap.

You're right though, we've got 7 months to figure it out.. I'm sure some sort of announcement will be made on this prior to the start of round 4.

Thanks again for your support.

dino74 · June 4th, 2012, 03:49 PM

Damn Nem!

You buy an awesome toy hauler.

Then you win a Yamaha generator.

Then you get Dustin to answer an email.

What is next?

tooblekain · June 4th, 2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dino74

Damn Nem!

You buy an awesome toy hauler.

Then you win a Yamaha generator.

Then you get Dustin to answer an email.

What is next?

Wait...Nem bought a toyhauler?!?

tooblekain · June 4th, 2012, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dmented

Nemesis · June 4th, 2012, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rexbo

EDIT: to be clear, you're talking about a championship points split as well as starting in a different wave/qualifying position. Championship points, possibly yes, no reason not to have their own trophies/contingency. Starting wave and qualifying no, so that the amateurs can race with the experts and get a tow like Darren said, and also earn the points to move into expert.

You and your Ninja Edit!

Again this is just my opinion and in no way should be taken as LAW, so to speak.

Splitting the championship points would not work for several reasons:

Not enough Experts, and too many Amateurs

Forcing amateurs at the end of the season who aren't front runners to bump up to expert status not only takes the fun away but can be very discouraging (like what happened to Darren) especially when you have a new amateur pass an expert. This is why I'm against the whole expert/amateur for this class.

Another reason is it's very difficult to get contingency for the amateurs. Most sponsors aren't willing to fork out for both classes. And that was the case when I was racing with WSMC as a Novice. Contingency only applied to the experts which sucked for us Novice racers. Well, wouldn't this encourage an Amateur to bump up to Expert status? Again, some may not want to bump up...they may want to stay where they're having fun competing in regardless of status. Some may say, "Well, it doesn't matter what status I'm in so long as I'm having fun dicing it up." But I'll tell you right now it will matter and be an issue which is what we need to stay away from.

So to recap:

Qualify, grid, race, and point them together but honor the Amateurs at the end of the season for their achievements.

Honoring the amateurs at the end of the season is most likely the suitable solution. However, another viable solution may be...extend the trophy/contingency from 1st - 6th place like someone had mentioned. This way, if an amateur podiums (6th) they're still rewarded for their achievement but problem with that is that most of those spots may be taken by experts. So the former suggestion is prolly the best suggestion.

Also, I think an Amateur should be allowed to stay as an Amateur for a maximum of 2yrs.

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Originally Posted by Rexbo

BTW: Jon its about time you got rid of the yellow plate, you've been racing for like 4 years.

It's 14 yrs...get it straight! I'm FOREVER AMATEUR!

cynicalkit · June 8th, 2012, 11:54 AM

So guess what Shane says to me the other day. He might just finish out this season on the SV but jump into the 250's to be with us after that. Cuz we are the awesomes! Okay I added that last part myself but still. Kick him out to expert.

Rexbo · June 8th, 2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cynicalkit

So guess what Shane says to me the other day. He might just finish out this season on the SV but jump into the 250's to be with us after that. Cuz we are the awesomes! Okay I added that last part myself but still. Kick him out to expert.

I call dibs on SV rental! I really wanna beat up on those guys...

Shawn3210 · June 8th, 2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rexbo

I call dibs on SV rental! I really wanna beat up on those guys...

Gpcycles gonna kidnap you

Nemesis · June 8th, 2012, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rexbo

I call dibs on SV rental! I really wanna beat up on those guys...

You guys should trade bikes. BTW, I ain't gonna miss ya!

Nemesis · June 11th, 2012, 06:56 AM

This weekend I was at Buttonwillow (trackday riding) mainly to help advertise the 250 class - a 600cc racer rented my bike and let me tell ya...the smile from ear to ear after ever session pretty told me he was sold. At the end of the day he said, "Okay, I'm gonna sell my 600." LOL

But another good news...Dustin and Aimee were there, and we got to talking...well, actually they're the ones who flagged me down and mentioned about this thread (yup, the staff & owners of CVR are monitoring this thread). Well, after a long talk and without getting into too much details

, let me just say if you're an amateur GOOD THINGS ARE TO COME.

And if you're not fighting for the top amateur position(s), well here's your wake up call.

We got 6 more races to go!

Rexbo · June 11th, 2012, 07:10 AM

sheit if you're fighting for top expert this is gonna be no joke also!

Nemesis · June 11th, 2012, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rexbo

sheit if you're fighting for top expert this is gonna be no joke also!

Get yo shiet straight...TOP AMATEUR!!! Bwahahahahaha!

Dmented · June 11th, 2012, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Nemesis

Get yo shiet straight...TOP AMATEUR!!! Bwahahahahaha!

have you not won enough my friend?!?! you need to get bumped mid season NOW!

cynicalkit · June 11th, 2012, 09:01 AM

People's be lurkin this thread? We're famous!!!!

Dmented · June 11th, 2012, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by cynicalkit

People's be lurkin this thread? We're famous!!!!

you don't want to be famous? Then I'll make you infamous.

Rexbo · June 18th, 2012, 09:33 PM

HAI AMATEURS:

alex.s · June 18th, 2012, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rexbo

HAI AMATEURS:

fail.

Dmented · June 19th, 2012, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by alex.s

fail.

View Poll Results: SHOULD THE CVMA 250 CLASS BE SEGREGATED BY EXPERIENCE (EXPERT/AMATEUR) NEXT SEASON?
YES	10	43.48%
NO	11	47.83%
I DONT REALLY CARE	2	8.70%
Voters: 23. You may not vote on this poll

June 4th, 2012, 08:47 AM	#43
dino74 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: dino Location: Oceanside, Ca Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): '09 250 Street, '09 250 Race, '13 300 Race Posts: A lot.	^^^^^^^^^^ I <3 Shawn! __________________________________________________ CVMA #55

June 4th, 2012, 08:57 AM	#45
Dmented CVMA#747 Ⓓⓜⓔⓝⓣⓔⓓ ⓡⓐⓒⓘⓝⓖ Name: Darren Location: Torrance (satyromania) Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 09 250R * 09 Yamaha R6 * 08 CBR 1000RR * 04 NSR 50 * 02 KX 250 Posts: A lot.	^^^^^^^^^^ I <3 Kit! __________________________________________________ CVMA#747AFM#747RM1GP#77LeoVinceRaceTechHotbodiesCyclemallBridgestone * MotoradDainesePolyMotoWoodcraftVisit The Dmented Racing Youtube Channel

June 4th, 2012, 09:00 AM	#46
dino74 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: dino Location: Oceanside, Ca Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): '09 250 Street, '09 250 Race, '13 300 Race Posts: A lot.	^^^^^^^^^^ I <3 Darren! __________________________________________________ CVMA #55

June 4th, 2012, 10:03 AM	#49
Dmented CVMA#747 Ⓓⓜⓔⓝⓣⓔⓓ ⓡⓐⓒⓘⓝⓖ Name: Darren Location: Torrance (satyromania) Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 09 250R * 09 Yamaha R6 * 08 CBR 1000RR * 04 NSR 50 * 02 KX 250 Posts: A lot.	__________________________________________________ CVMA#747AFM#747RM1GP#77LeoVinceRaceTechHotbodiesCyclemallBridgestone * MotoradDainesePolyMotoWoodcraftVisit The Dmented Racing Youtube Channel

June 4th, 2012, 08:15 AM	#41
Shawn3210 CVMA #666 Name: Shawn Location: Long Beach, CA Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2009 R6 (race), 2009 250r (race) Posts: 267 Blog Entries: 1

June 4th, 2012, 08:17 AM	#42
Shawn3210 CVMA #666 Name: Shawn Location: Long Beach, CA Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2009 R6 (race), 2009 250r (race) Posts: 267 Blog Entries: 1

June 4th, 2012, 08:55 AM	#44
cynicalkit la pussy gata Name: kit Location: xx Join Date: Jan 2011 Motorcycle(s): big wheel Posts: 540	For me it's not about the money. If it was, I am in the wrong hobby here. As long as I am able to keep improving I am up for whatever decision makes that happen. We can buy our own trophys for like $5 if it was that important. Make my own 6th place trophy lol. Side note: A while back I was really pissed off that this guy said that riding a 250 was not real racing and that we were just circles around the track. It really set me off because that guy didn't realize that our 250 guys were matching sv expert pace and novice middleweight pace. People looking down on me made me sad, like I didn't know how to ride a "real" bike. Enough to the point where Shane asked if I wanted to sell my 250 and pick up the SV instead. But I love my 250 and have yet to learn more on it. I have to focus on me, not what people say about me. I hate drama, but I understand getting hurt by words too. Just throwing that in there.

June 4th, 2012, 02:01 PM	#52
cynicalkit la pussy gata Name: kit Location: xx Join Date: Jan 2011 Motorcycle(s): big wheel Posts: 540	Oy... 'some' SV people and 'some' middleweights.

June 4th, 2012, 02:06 PM	#53
Zombiphone CVMA/AFM #72 Name: Tiffani Location: Los Angeles, Ca Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r (Racebike), 2015 FZ-07(Tourer), 2001 KX65(LOL bike) Posts: A lot.	Whoa whoa whoa whoa- we might let you cuddle with us in the pits, but you can't come moseying back onto this forum unless you're looking to buy another 250, Xtian Until then, let us resume making fun of those slow ass wcgp sv's that can't match our times

June 4th, 2012, 03:49 PM	#56
dino74 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: dino Location: Oceanside, Ca Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): '09 250 Street, '09 250 Race, '13 300 Race Posts: A lot.	Damn Nem! You buy an awesome toy hauler. Then you win a Yamaha generator. Then you get Dustin to answer an email. What is next? __________________________________________________ CVMA #55

June 8th, 2012, 11:54 AM	#60
cynicalkit la pussy gata Name: kit Location: xx Join Date: Jan 2011 Motorcycle(s): big wheel Posts: 540	So guess what Shane says to me the other day. He might just finish out this season on the SV but jump into the 250's to be with us after that. Cuz we are the awesomes! Okay I added that last part myself but still. Kick him out to expert.

June 11th, 2012, 06:56 AM	#64
Nemesis CVMA #74 WSMC #750 Name: Nemesis Location: On the track Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): All of them Posts: A lot.	This weekend I was at Buttonwillow (trackday riding) mainly to help advertise the 250 class - a 600cc racer rented my bike and let me tell ya...the smile from ear to ear after ever session pretty told me he was sold. At the end of the day he said, "Okay, I'm gonna sell my 600." LOL But another good news...Dustin and Aimee were there, and we got to talking...well, actually they're the ones who flagged me down and mentioned about this thread (yup, the staff & owners of CVR are monitoring this thread). Well, after a long talk and without getting into too much details , let me just say if you're an amateur GOOD THINGS ARE TO COME. And if you're not fighting for the top amateur position(s), well here's your wake up call. We got 6 more races to go! __________________________________________________

June 11th, 2012, 07:10 AM	#65
Rexbo CVMA / AFM / M1GP #250 Name: Steve Location: Los Angeles Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r, 2011 Zero S, 2009 KLR 650 Posts: A lot.	sheit if you're fighting for top expert this is gonna be no joke also!

June 11th, 2012, 09:01 AM	#68
cynicalkit la pussy gata Name: kit Location: xx Join Date: Jan 2011 Motorcycle(s): big wheel Posts: 540	People's be lurkin this thread? We're famous!!!!

June 18th, 2012, 09:33 PM	#70
Rexbo CVMA / AFM / M1GP #250 Name: Steve Location: Los Angeles Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r, 2011 Zero S, 2009 KLR 650 Posts: A lot.	HAI AMATEURS:

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