March 20th, 2015, 05:20 PM | #41 |
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That part # 16017
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March 20th, 2015, 05:31 PM | #42 |
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The picture of that main jet holder was nasty, ALL HOLES NEED TO BE OPEN!!!!*
You need to remove the pilot jets as well as they are the probability the source of your problem, as I already posted a picture of what them should look like. You need to make sure all the fuel circuits are clear with an air compressor to blow them out. Taking shortcuts when cleaning the carburetors will only come back and be a PITA!!! And just as important as thorough cleaning, is the float height adjustment, after that is the idle mixture screws properly adjusted. Personally I would recommend to you just to pick up new pilot jets, and maybe also mains, and holders as well, they are cheap enough, and a lot easier than cleaning the old ones sometimes, especially if you lack the tools to do so. Also you never answered my fuel filter question? It's cases like this I wish I was closer to personally lend a hand.
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March 20th, 2015, 05:50 PM | #43 |
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Here are the pictures after dipping it into PineSol.
http://i.imgur.com/uiKqzRO.jpg http://i.imgur.com/qeW8a31.jpg Edit: Also, I don't know why there is a screw on the right of picture two... The original owner did not tell me about that... Should I be worried? Here is the screw: http://i.imgur.com/QibWgtM.jpg |
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March 20th, 2015, 06:05 PM | #44 | |
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March 20th, 2015, 06:06 PM | #45 |
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Oh man. I bet he was trying to remove the air mixture screw overs and thought that was it but goofed and had to fix it with jb weld and screw. Worried would be if he did a good job sealing it without restricting fuel flow.
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March 20th, 2015, 06:09 PM | #46 |
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Check your float needles to make sure they are not sticking and the rubber tips are not warn. Sorry if you covered this already. At bar with beer in hand
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March 20th, 2015, 06:36 PM | #47 | |
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You need to remove the pilot needle screws, and blow air from the jet side, and needle side as well, and all other openings as well. Did you leave the slides in while soaking??? The carburetors must be completely disassembled!! But now split them apart. I also agree with @cuong-nutz on that mystery screw. Below is a picture of good Vs bad float needle valve. note the deformed, and shrunken tip.
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March 20th, 2015, 06:56 PM | #48 | |
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Edit: Also, the fuel inlet elbow is attached to the carb at the moment. I removed the slides and soaked it into PineSol again. I'll take a look at the elbow when I get a chance. |
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March 20th, 2015, 06:59 PM | #49 |
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Your lucky you didn't use Chem-Dip. Rinse them off with soapy water, and inspect them, but you should be okay, lessons learned
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March 20th, 2015, 09:05 PM | #50 |
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The float rings looked good and the fuel inlet elbow looked good . On the other hand, I lost one of the collars (part 16017). Ugh.
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March 20th, 2015, 09:15 PM | #51 |
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I doubt its lost, most likely still in the carburetor, sometimes them pop out, sometimes they don't, sometimes halfway.
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March 20th, 2015, 09:22 PM | #53 | |
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March 20th, 2015, 09:28 PM | #55 |
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Agreed, it's OEM so what do you expect, I'm thinking if he's running the OEM and that inline filter, that's not helping, personally I'd keep the inline, and ditch the OEM one.
Another concern is that repair job using that screw to fix it. This tells me that amateur hour has already worked on these carburetors, so there's no telling what's right, and what's wrong.
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March 20th, 2015, 10:42 PM | #56 |
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Funny thing about the spark plugs. The original owner didn't give me the spark plug tool lol. I bought 2 new spark plugs but I heard it's easier to replace them if I have the tool.
As for the fuel filter... I thought you guys meant to check to see if it's clear lol. I don't see a mesh material inside the elbow at all. =\ |
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March 20th, 2015, 11:42 PM | #57 |
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Don't need the original spark plug tool unless you're trying to change the filter with the tank still on the bike.
Since your carbs are out, I'm assuming your tank is off the bike as well. If that's the case, any spark plug socket will do the trick. If you don't have one, head to the local hardware store or automotive store for one. |
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March 21st, 2015, 12:46 PM | #59 |
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March 21st, 2015, 12:59 PM | #61 |
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All sparkplug tools should have the rubber. It helps the socket grip the plugs and pull them out.
Was the bike winterized?!?! 4 months ago, the carbs were cleaned. It should not need another cleaning for years and years if a fuel stablizer (like Stabil) was added to the tank when the bike was stored. And if the carbs were drained before storage, even better. |
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March 21st, 2015, 01:05 PM | #62 | |
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March 21st, 2015, 02:30 PM | #63 | |
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Gasoline breaks down, there's some different opinions on the time table, but when In doubt, add stabilizer anyway, it won't hurt anything. as I said lesson learned for next years winter storage.
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March 21st, 2015, 02:36 PM | #64 |
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it probably needs a valve adjustment on top of everything else which is why its so hard to start
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March 21st, 2015, 02:43 PM | #65 |
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Agreed
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March 21st, 2015, 06:58 PM | #66 |
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I had to order the new part because I can't seem to find it lol. In the mean time I can't put the carb back in yet. While I have this out, is the valve adjustment tedious to do? Also to properly adjust the idle mixture screws, do I turn them all the way in then back them out 2 1/2 turns each?
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At the very least you can check them, but if you feel like it's a little too much, I would advise letting a qualified shop do it, or perhaps a fellow forum member whom is close to you might be able to lend a hand, BTW where in Oklahoma are you located? Have you replaced any of the consumable carburetor parts? float needle valve? Idle needle screw O-ring? fuel bowl gasket? If not, now is the time to do so. I personally recommend K&L rebuilding kits K&L CARB REP KIT:KAW NINJA (CVK) 18-2639 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008Y29I36..._jKJdvb04YGJA2 Just remember to order two. As far as tuning the pilot screws, here's my quick lesson, Quote:
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March 22nd, 2015, 11:44 AM | #68 |
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Hahaha. I loved the picture. And I live in Edmond, OK! I haven't replaced any of the parts yet; just cleaned them.
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March 22nd, 2015, 11:56 AM | #69 |
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I have a curious question! When I looked up the main jet holders, they had multiple holes in them. However I only have 1 hole in mine. Will that make a difference? Here's the picture. http://i.imgur.com/Au8qgeh.jpg
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March 22nd, 2015, 11:58 AM | #70 | |
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March 22nd, 2015, 12:05 PM | #71 |
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The problem is that I only see one drilled hole. There's no indentation to indicated if there are other holes.
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March 22nd, 2015, 03:22 PM | #72 | |
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Soak them over night then try to push them thru. This also tells me that those carburetors were NEVER cleaned properly, so anything the former owner told you, I would quickly dismisses everything. Here is picture for reference
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March 22nd, 2015, 03:32 PM | #73 |
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Hmm. Both of them look like the one on the bottom of this picture. Maybe I should just buy new ones?
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March 22nd, 2015, 03:37 PM | #74 |
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March 22nd, 2015, 04:44 PM | #75 |
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Another curious question lol; I don't know if the original owner misplaced it or if I lost it by accident when I took out the jet holder to clean the carbs. But, if there is only 1 jet collar (part # 16017) inside one carb but not the other, what symptoms can the bike receive?
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But seriously, it would be had to start, and run poorly as the part is part of the main jet metering needles, it would either pull too much, or no fuel at all.
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March 22nd, 2015, 05:40 PM | #77 |
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Edmond, OK huh? So much for me making a house call then, 804 miles away too bad.
Also your bike is a NewGen 2009 model, which lists some different parts for the carburetor, one of which is the main jet holder, the pictures I posted have been from a PreGen carburetor. Also your holder doesn't show a cross reference to the PreGen models, why? I have no idea. But your holder might only have a single hole, or less than PreGen does. http://www.ronayers.com/oemparts/a/k...rburetor-parts This Kawasaki 13280-0333 HOLDER,NEEDLE JET is used on these models and components: 2008 EX250J8F Ninja 250R CARBURETOR PARTS 2009 EX250J9F Ninja 250R CARBURETOR PARTS 2009 EX250J9FA Ninja 250R CARBURETOR PARTS 2010 EX250JAF Ninja 250R CARBURETOR PARTS 2010 EX250JAFA Ninja 250R CARBURETOR PARTS 2011 EX250JBF Ninja 250R CARBURETOR PARTS 2011 EX250JBFA Ninja 250R CARBURETOR PARTS 2012 EX250JCF Ninja 250R CARBURETOR PARTS 2012 EX250JCFA Ninja 250R CARBURETOR PARTS As you can see in the part diagram. Also keep in mind that the jet needles are different for the left and right carburetor as well.. Study the parts diagram careful.
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March 22nd, 2015, 06:11 PM | #78 |
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Great! That means I don't have to buy new ones lol. The jet needles are different for the left and right carburetor you say? They look pretty much the same but I guess I'll take a real close look at them to make sure.
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I've heard the Kawasaki made the engine so one cylinder is torque, and power is horse power.
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Here is some more information about the NewGen carburetors, interesting reading for sure, also how's the work coming along. https://www.ninjette.org/forums/show...924#post996924
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