Pre group buy for digital gauges - Page 4

gt_turbo · September 15th, 2011, 11:03 AM

this one, but it costs as much as the friggin gauges already.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KOSO-...item35b523addd

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massacremasses · September 15th, 2011, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by gt_turbo

this one, but it costs as much as the friggin gauges already.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KOSO-...item35b523addd

thats why someone needs to send me the template and I can make them...

Crriiissss · September 15th, 2011, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by massacremasses

thats why someone needs to send me the template and I can make them...

I can draw on autocad I use it everyday lol...anyway what about dimensions and all? where would I begin?

massacremasses · September 15th, 2011, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Crriiissss

I can draw on autocad I use it everyday lol...anyway what about dimensions and all? where would I begin?

Honestly I think someone would have to buy it or something... cause you need to basically copy it and send it to me in .dwg or some other format.. I forget the other one. I just have the machine, not the knowledge to really use it yet

Because seriously it looks like I can cut it and powder coat it. I saw something on the bottoms to bolt on, and that would be the only thing a might have a problem making... I dont have anything to make something like that..

DarC · September 15th, 2011, 06:43 PM

The easiest way to mass do a backplate would to make a template in a .jpeg, etc that you could just PM everyone and they could print and cut a piece of 1/4 pvc or whatnot. I know Tri used the PVC in his HID build and I believe he sourced it from a sign shop. We could probably figure out other sources.

massacremasses · September 15th, 2011, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DarC

The easiest way to mass do a backplate would to make a template in a .jpeg, etc that you could just PM everyone and they could print and cut a piece of 1/4 pvc or whatnot. I know Tri used the PVC in his HID build and I believe he sourced it from a sign shop. We could probably figure out other sources.

If someone gave me a template I could make enough for everyone out of just scrap metal, then powder coat it. Im not usually about freebies (I do powder coating as a source of income) but this would be a fun project I wouldnt mind doing and people could just pay shipping. or I would ship em all to the OP and he could include them in his kit. (and hook me up with one)

The person who gets me the template I would of course just send one

jonnyc · September 15th, 2011, 07:54 PM

I made a blank plate by hand, it was a real PITA. I am not 100% happy with it.
still need to sand and paint it.

I made a little bracket to hold the speed sensor. I still need to figure out how I am going to attach the magnet to the wheel. needs paint and sanding also.

I guess I could provide a template but it was done by hand so its not perfect.

massacremasses · September 15th, 2011, 08:03 PM

lol yeah it would be exactly to what you gave me.. I guess we will see when its painted, but that really shows how much smaller the digital one is... im on the fence about it...

jonnyc · September 15th, 2011, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by massacremasses

lol yeah it would be exactly to what you gave me.. I guess we will see when its painted, but that really shows how much smaller the digital one is... im on the fence about it...

trust me, you will not miss the old gauge. The tachometer is the exact same size as stock, you just save space on the fuel and speed. I did not center it because I will make a phone holder and place it next to the gauge for gps and other stuff. it would look better if it was center but thats up to the individual.

massacremasses · September 15th, 2011, 08:21 PM

I suppose but imma wanna see it finished and painted then maybe ill decide if its cool

but seriously PM if you decide to make a kit and I might be able to make these covers for you. I can make em easy and powder coat em and stuff. custom colors or just a nice gloss black

jonnyc · September 16th, 2011, 08:03 PM

Panel is done
IMAG0221.jpg

wayanlam · September 16th, 2011, 08:26 PM

why didnt you center it? or are there plans to add some other bits on the left side~

looks really strange sat all the way to the right with nothing on the other side to balance it out, lol.

plenty of space to add an iPhone or something probably

ps, there is also a good spot to place the sensor in the front, so you dont need to fiddle with it again when you need to replace the brake pads etc.

jonnyc · September 16th, 2011, 08:33 PM

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why didnt you center it? or are there plans to add some other bits on the left side~

looks really strangesatallthewayto theright with nothing on theothersideto balanceitout,lol.

plenty of space to add an iPhone or something probably

I was thinking of adding a smart phone instead and maybe a gear gauge.
How did you get the magnets in place? Glue?

jonnyc · September 16th, 2011, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by wayanlam

wayanlam maybe you missed my edited post above

Ken08Ninja · September 18th, 2011, 01:33 AM

Just drop the magnets in the rotor bolts. They stay in fine, do not use glue or it will be a pain when you have to change the rotor.

The panel gt turbo linked to is for a different gauge, the KOSO RX1-N is what this one appers to be a copy of. It's mounting lugs and wire harness location are different from the RX-2.

rusninja · September 18th, 2011, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jonnyc

Panel is done
Attachment 14849

its so tiny

gt_turbo · September 18th, 2011, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by jonnyc

Panel is done
Attachment 14849

did you just make your own panel out of sheet metal?

jonnyc · September 18th, 2011, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rusninja

its so tiny

Compare to stock yes, but that's part of the reason I wanted to replace it. It would look a lot better centered but that's up to you. I say it's about average for a digital gauge.

The panel is made of aluminum.

jonnyc · September 18th, 2011, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ken08Ninja

Just drop the magnets in the rotor bolts. They stay in fine, do not use glue or it will be a pain when you have to change the rotor.

The panel gt turbo linked to is for a different gauge, the KOSO RX1-N is what this one appers to be a copy of. It's mounting lugs and wire harness location are different from the RX-2.

Do you know where we could find the right panel?

jonnyc · September 18th, 2011, 11:01 AM

Bad news again guys

At 60mph on a tested gps the gauge shows 70mph. I emailed the guy but I don't think there is much we can do, he said the speed is programed into the gauge and I don't think is adjustable.

Hopefully he replies with a solution.

quanttrom · September 18th, 2011, 11:43 AM

can you ask if we can get more information about the gauge ? i would love to be able to program in things such as the ODO and get accurate speed readings.
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jonnyc · September 18th, 2011, 11:56 AM

I doubt the guy will be able to help, it's very hard to communicate with him.
I do have a chip programer that I could use,but I would have to be given the code and the exact parameters to change. Other than that I dont think there is hope.

quanttrom · September 18th, 2011, 08:08 PM

are you able to see what micro controller they used in the cluster?

nickadolph · September 18th, 2011, 08:43 PM

its probably something you can do your self by holding all the buttons down at the same time.

jonnyc · September 18th, 2011, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by nickadolph

its probably something you can do your self by holding all the buttons down at the same time.

Haha I wish, remember this is a nock off and manufacturer never really thinks too much about the end user like that.

I was thinking of opening it and seen what micro controller is inside but I am not ver experience with micro controllers and even if I looked I wouldn't know what to do, if some one is willing to help I will open it.

To give you guys an idea of what I have been dealing with, this is what I emailed the guy yesterday:

I testes the speed sensor today and at 60 mph on my gps the gauge shows 70 mph.
It is high about 10mph.

You told me the speed was programed in, is the any way for me to change this?

This is what he replied:

Hello, dear.
Useful tools for your correct speed measurement speed

Needless to say HUGE LANGUAGE BARRIER!

Boban · September 19th, 2011, 01:01 AM

Just use your gps for speed readings and have the cluster for everything else

I've been keeping an eye on this thread and your progress so far and i may be tempted to get one depending on how you go with your speed readings.
Also, can you switch between MPH and KPH or....?

Ken08Ninja · September 19th, 2011, 03:23 AM

jonnyc, I have the Koso RX1-N on my bike. This may just be a "unbranded" version. The Koso is programmable see if these instructions help you.

jonnyc · September 19th, 2011, 06:04 PM

alright guys, this project is now dead

I had the great idea of opening the gauge to take a picture of the components, hoping that someone here with the knowledge might be able to help adjust the speed settings.

of course I ended up messing up the gauge and now the tach doesn't work. have been trying to fix it for the last 2 hours, no luck.

really frustrated right now and want to punch a wall!

Ken08Ninja: I looked at that guide before hand, there are no setting like the ones shown. only settings I can change are the time.

massacremasses · September 19th, 2011, 06:38 PM

sorry dude. that sucks.

jonnyc · September 19th, 2011, 07:11 PM

I need to relieve some stress
Is there a baby in can kick?

Alex · September 19th, 2011, 08:24 PM

jonnyc · September 19th, 2011, 08:31 PM

Thanks alex I really needed that

Koz2010 · September 22nd, 2011, 12:35 PM

I do not believe the speed is programmed into the cluster. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_W0QQ...ht_2361wt_1165 It says magnetic induction. That means the "sensor" should have a coil at the end of the "sensor" wire. When the magnet passes by it when the wheel is spinning it creates flux. Which sends voltage via induction to the coil. The faster the wheel spins, the higher the induction created, meaning more voltage. I then think the cluster reads the amount of voltage being sent and displays a speed accordingly. If I am right then the cluster might have a potentiometer (variable resistor)...which you adjust and it'll adjust the voltage being sent.

I can't say for sure. Just started learning this stuff recently.

CThunder-blue · September 22nd, 2011, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Koz2010

I do not believe the speed is programmed into the cluster. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_W0QQ...ht_2361wt_1165 It says magnetic induction. That means the "sensor" should have a coil at the end of the "sensor" wire. When the magnet passes by it when the wheel is spinning it creates flux. Which sends voltage via induction to the coil. The faster the wheel spins, the higher the induction created, meaning more voltage. I then think the cluster reads the amount of voltage being sent and displays a speed accordingly. If I am right then the cluster might have a potentiometer (variable resistor)...which you adjust and it'll adjust the voltage being sent.

I can't say for sure. Just started learning this stuff recently.

The gauge does read the voltage, but also makes a calculation off that voltage for the speed. Since the calculation is based on how it's programmed, it's going to depend on certain variables. I know on my koso speedo and the koso RX gauges require the wheel/tire measurement to work right. I'm guessing the gauge is programmed for a different size wheel.

Koz2010 · September 22nd, 2011, 01:15 PM

What about a resistor between the sensor and cluster with just enough ohms to lower the voltage enough to make up that 10mile difference.

quanttrom · September 22nd, 2011, 01:55 PM

guys, wouldn't they use a hall effect switch and interface the digital signal directly. running an analog signal over a length of crappy wires and having analog circuitry in the instrument cluster sounds like an odd idea...also u will have to calibrate every gauge which is kinda expensive...
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CThunder-blue · September 22nd, 2011, 02:05 PM

I'm pretty sure we're talking about the hall effect in the above posts.

quanttrom · September 22nd, 2011, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CThunder-blue

I'm pretty sure we're talking about the hall effect in the above posts.

yes you are but I believe you are talking about a hall effect sensors and not a hall effect switch....

CThunder-blue · September 22nd, 2011, 02:14 PM

A hall effect switch is for on/off circuits. Since a speedo sensor wouldn't use an on/off mode, the only way to get a signal would be to use a hall effect sensor, not a switch. They just install an analog to digital converter.

September 15th, 2011, 06:43 PM	#126
DarC DUCEATR Name: Dan Location: El Paso, Texas Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): RVT1000R Posts: 628	The easiest way to mass do a backplate would to make a template in a .jpeg, etc that you could just PM everyone and they could print and cut a piece of 1/4 pvc or whatnot. I know Tri used the PVC in his HID build and I believe he sourced it from a sign shop. We could probably figure out other sources. __________________________________________________ 2001 SP1 RC51- #62 -Akrapovic Ti, PCIII, Colin Edward's first baby tooth, Honda Racing sticker, some Japanese doods best attempt at Engrish scribbled on my engine block, little touch of soul.

September 15th, 2011, 08:03 PM	#129
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	lol yeah it would be exactly to what you gave me.. I guess we will see when its painted, but that really shows how much smaller the digital one is... im on the fence about it... __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

September 15th, 2011, 08:21 PM	#131
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	I suppose but imma wanna see it finished and painted then maybe ill decide if its cool but seriously PM if you decide to make a kit and I might be able to make these covers for you. I can make em easy and powder coat em and stuff. custom colors or just a nice gloss black __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

September 16th, 2011, 08:26 PM	#133
wayanlam ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Wayan Location: Bali - Indonesia Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2014 Z250 Posts: A lot.	why didnt you center it? or are there plans to add some other bits on the left side~ looks really strange sat all the way to the right with nothing on the other side to balance it out, lol. plenty of space to add an iPhone or something probably ps, there is also a good spot to place the sensor in the front, so you dont need to fiddle with it again when you need to replace the brake pads etc. __________________________________________________ Kawasaki Z250, Bored up to 300cc with 12.8 CR, 41hp at wheel 27nm torque, Two bros full exhaust with DB killer Dynojet Power Commander V, KnN Open filter, intake and exhaust ported, Puig Windshield

September 19th, 2011, 06:38 PM	#150
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	sorry dude. that sucks. __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

September 15th, 2011, 11:03 AM	#121
gt_turbo ninjette.org sage Name: L Location: WI Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): '09 250R, '13 CBR500R Posts: 709	this one, but it costs as much as the friggin gauges already. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KOSO-...item35b523addd

September 15th, 2011, 07:54 PM	#128
jonnyc ninjette.org member Name: Jon Location: NYC Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 Posts: 129	I made a blank plate by hand, it was a real PITA. I am not 100% happy with it. still need to sand and paint it. I made a little bracket to hold the speed sensor. I still need to figure out how I am going to attach the magnet to the wheel. needs paint and sanding also. I guess I could provide a template but it was done by hand so its not perfect.

September 16th, 2011, 08:03 PM	#132
jonnyc ninjette.org member Name: Jon Location: NYC Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 Posts: 129	Panel is done IMAG0221.jpg

September 18th, 2011, 01:33 AM	#136
Ken08Ninja ninjette.org member Name: Ken Location: NY Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 Ninja 250R Candy Plasma Blue Posts: 129	Just drop the magnets in the rotor bolts. They stay in fine, do not use glue or it will be a pain when you have to change the rotor. The panel gt turbo linked to is for a different gauge, the KOSO RX1-N is what this one appers to be a copy of. It's mounting lugs and wire harness location are different from the RX-2.

September 18th, 2011, 11:01 AM	#141
jonnyc ninjette.org member Name: Jon Location: NYC Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 Posts: 129	Bad news again guys At 60mph on a tested gps the gauge shows 70mph. I emailed the guy but I don't think there is much we can do, he said the speed is programed into the gauge and I don't think is adjustable. Hopefully he replies with a solution.

September 18th, 2011, 11:43 AM	#142
quanttrom ninjette.org member Name: QUANT Location: Canada Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250r Posts: 176	can you ask if we can get more information about the gauge ? i would love to be able to program in things such as the ODO and get accurate speed readings. Posted via Mobile Device

September 18th, 2011, 11:56 AM	#143
jonnyc ninjette.org member Name: Jon Location: NYC Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 Posts: 129	I doubt the guy will be able to help, it's very hard to communicate with him. I do have a chip programer that I could use,but I would have to be given the code and the exact parameters to change. Other than that I dont think there is hope.

September 18th, 2011, 08:08 PM	#144
quanttrom ninjette.org member Name: QUANT Location: Canada Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250r Posts: 176	are you able to see what micro controller they used in the cluster?

September 18th, 2011, 08:43 PM	#145
nickadolph ninjette.org member Name: nick Location: Twin Cities, MN Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): ninja 250 Posts: 168	its probably something you can do your self by holding all the buttons down at the same time.

September 19th, 2011, 01:01 AM	#147
Boban ninjette.org newbie Name: Boban or Bob or Bobby or Boob Location: Brisbane, Australia Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250R Posts: 5	Just use your gps for speed readings and have the cluster for everything else I've been keeping an eye on this thread and your progress so far and i may be tempted to get one depending on how you go with your speed readings. Also, can you switch between MPH and KPH or....?

September 19th, 2011, 03:23 AM	#148
Ken08Ninja ninjette.org member Name: Ken Location: NY Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 Ninja 250R Candy Plasma Blue Posts: 129	jonnyc, I have the Koso RX1-N on my bike. This may just be a "unbranded" version. The Koso is programmable see if these instructions help you.

September 19th, 2011, 06:04 PM	#149
jonnyc ninjette.org member Name: Jon Location: NYC Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 Posts: 129	alright guys, this project is now dead I had the great idea of opening the gauge to take a picture of the components, hoping that someone here with the knowledge might be able to help adjust the speed settings. of course I ended up messing up the gauge and now the tach doesn't work. have been trying to fix it for the last 2 hours, no luck. really frustrated right now and want to punch a wall! Ken08Ninja: I looked at that guide before hand, there are no setting like the ones shown. only settings I can change are the time.

September 19th, 2011, 07:11 PM	#151
jonnyc ninjette.org member Name: Jon Location: NYC Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 Posts: 129	I need to relieve some stress Is there a baby in can kick?

September 19th, 2011, 08:24 PM	#152
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September 19th, 2011, 08:31 PM	#153
jonnyc ninjette.org member Name: Jon Location: NYC Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 Posts: 129	Thanks alex I really needed that

September 22nd, 2011, 12:35 PM	#154
Koz2010 ninjette.org newbie Name: Mario Location: Toronto Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 4	I do not believe the speed is programmed into the cluster. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/_W0QQ...ht_2361wt_1165 It says magnetic induction. That means the "sensor" should have a coil at the end of the "sensor" wire. When the magnet passes by it when the wheel is spinning it creates flux. Which sends voltage via induction to the coil. The faster the wheel spins, the higher the induction created, meaning more voltage. I then think the cluster reads the amount of voltage being sent and displays a speed accordingly. If I am right then the cluster might have a potentiometer (variable resistor)...which you adjust and it'll adjust the voltage being sent. I can't say for sure. Just started learning this stuff recently.

September 22nd, 2011, 01:15 PM	#156
Koz2010 ninjette.org newbie Name: Mario Location: Toronto Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 4	What about a resistor between the sensor and cluster with just enough ohms to lower the voltage enough to make up that 10mile difference.

September 22nd, 2011, 01:55 PM	#157
quanttrom ninjette.org member Name: QUANT Location: Canada Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250r Posts: 176	guys, wouldn't they use a hall effect switch and interface the digital signal directly. running an analog signal over a length of crappy wires and having analog circuitry in the instrument cluster sounds like an odd idea...also u will have to calibrate every gauge which is kinda expensive... Posted via Mobile Device

September 22nd, 2011, 02:05 PM	#158
CThunder-blue ModMy250.com Name: Tri Location: St, Louis Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2005 R6 Posts: A lot.	I'm pretty sure we're talking about the hall effect in the above posts. __________________________________________________ The www.ModMy250.com guy

September 22nd, 2011, 02:14 PM	#160
CThunder-blue ModMy250.com Name: Tri Location: St, Louis Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2005 R6 Posts: A lot.	A hall effect switch is for on/off circuits. Since a speedo sensor wouldn't use an on/off mode, the only way to get a signal would be to use a hall effect sensor, not a switch. They just install an analog to digital converter. __________________________________________________ The www.ModMy250.com guy

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