Pre group buy for digital gauges - Page 5

quanttrom · September 28th, 2011, 04:22 PM

I am not 100% sure but I would like to give you my reasoning.

Typically hall effect sensors are used for abs and other accurate speed detection applications. They will detect ferromagnetic materials(eg iron) such as in a sprocket or other shape where teeth are moving in and out of the magnetic field of the hall effect sensor. Those types of sensors produce a sine wave as one would expect.

The downfall and why I believe they cannot be used in the speed sensing application for our bikes is because the magnet is attached and one or a few locations of the rotating wheel. The longest possible distance between the hall effect sensors and the magnet is lets say 10 cm. Well above anything that a hall effect sensors with that size can detect especially considering all the iron concentrated in the area; forks, break disk, etc.

The output will almost look digital . You are gonna have a short period or a rise, then rapid fall followed by a long idle time of no signal.

I believe an on/off hall effect switch is typically used in those applications in a digital manner. The gauge will time the delay between rising edges (or falling or w/e) and since the circumference of the wheel is know , the speed can be calculated. In order to improve the reliability at varying distances between the sensor and the break disk there are two pieces and it is necessary to insert magnets in the sprocket bolts.

CZroe · October 8th, 2011, 09:28 AM

Couldn't you just leave a magnet out?

quanttrom · October 12th, 2011, 10:16 AM

so it seems like jonnyc is out of this.

Does anybody know where we can get a comparable gauge? maybe a little bigger? i would be interested in continuing this.

dougherty · November 21st, 2011, 05:20 AM

Id be in

dougherty · November 21st, 2011, 10:25 AM

scratch that lol sorry

justinswidebody · February 21st, 2012, 09:18 PM

Here's some pics of my new gauge cluster with 2 air fuel ratio gauges. I like it. Now I just need to reinstall my fuel injection. I still need to figure out how to fix the 10mph difference in speed.

I think I'm going to move the main gauge cluster closer to the top. I think it will look better. What does everyone think?

massacremasses · February 22nd, 2012, 08:10 AM

what cluster is that? is that a Koso with custom gauges?

quanttrom · February 22nd, 2012, 09:48 AM

justinswidebody, would you be able to get a video as well !?

justinswidebody · February 22nd, 2012, 01:34 PM

This is the same cluster Johnny had. I bought one and did my own spin on it. I made the back plate and fitted it all together. I uses two a/f gauges cause I have the ecotrons efi kit which has two oxygen sensors. So I use the a/f gauges to monitor each cylinder. I built this all for 150 dollars.

massacremasses · February 22nd, 2012, 01:39 PM

nice.

you should sell it. Seriously.

mustang5.0 · February 22nd, 2012, 02:21 PM

srly... I'm in..i want that ish

justinswidebody · February 22nd, 2012, 06:35 PM

I could make more. I would just like to get the speedometer issue fixed. Also need to figure out a correct way to get the collant temp sensor to work. If someone could help me find how the stock coolant sensor works I'm sure we could figure it out. I could make these with any other two gauges anyone would want.

quanttrom · February 22nd, 2012, 08:24 PM

How did you make the dash faceplate?

By hand and just drilling it?

Klondike1020 · February 22nd, 2012, 08:44 PM

For 150? U mean just the a/f gauges and plate right . What about the cluster ?

justinswidebody · February 22nd, 2012, 09:06 PM

All together was 155 dollars sorry for the miss calculation earlier.. Main gauge is 85 dollars then both a/f gauges were 35 a piece so 70 for those. And then I cut out my own back plate out of spare 1/4 inch thick plexiglass I had laying around. I can easily make the gauge cluster plug in play. It's a very simple installation.

Klondike1020 · February 23rd, 2012, 06:38 AM

Where did you buy your gauges ? I haven't found them that cheap?

mustang5.0 · February 23rd, 2012, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justinswidebody

I could make more. I would just like to get the speedometer issue fixed. Also need to figure out a correct way to get the collant temp sensor to work. If someone could help me find how the stock coolant sensor works I'm sure we could figure it out. I could make these with any other two gauges anyone would want.

waiting on you, bud!!

justinswidebody · February 23rd, 2012, 12:06 PM

Here's a link to the gauge cluster.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/LCD-digital-...item19cd3c3cd9

Klondike1020 · February 23rd, 2012, 08:34 PM

Thanks ! I am too dumb to find it on ebay

justinswidebody · February 24th, 2012, 04:45 AM

No problem.

EMSRacer07 · February 24th, 2012, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justinswidebody

No problem.

Do u have to re wire it? well i know thats probably given. But did u get it to connect to the stock harness.

justinswidebody · February 24th, 2012, 04:51 PM

The plastic conector it comes with actually slides into the ninja connector. You just have to depin the gauge conector and put the pins in the correct spot. However it does not come with the three prong connector. So I easily removed the conector from the factory gauge cluster and used it on this one. I will say that a 400ohm resistor did not fix the fuel gauge. So problems still are fuel gauge, speedometer reading 10mph to high and also the water temp sensor. If you buy one from eBay I will be more than happy to post up a wire diagram for you.

CZroe · February 25th, 2012, 12:51 AM

Will it work with a pre-gen?

justinswidebody · February 27th, 2012, 06:46 AM

Guys I don't think I would buy this gauge if I where you. I'm gonna buy something different and when I'm done I will post back. But the next gauge should be cheaper than most koso installs but a little more than this one.

Klondike1020 · February 27th, 2012, 07:04 AM

If you decide to get rid of it . Want to sell me yours for a used discount ?

CZroe · February 27th, 2012, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justinswidebody

Guys I don't think I would buy this gauge if I where you. I'm gonna buy something different and when I'm done I will post back. But the next gauge should be cheaper than most koso installs but a little more than this one.

Keep us informed. Thanks!

justinswidebody · February 27th, 2012, 02:20 PM

Klondike, I might let it go. Do you want just the center gauge? Or do you want all of it?

razorgamez · February 27th, 2012, 06:35 PM

These gauges look way too similar to the gauges on the Bennche Megelli 250r...

Kstorm21 · February 28th, 2012, 12:23 AM

Do you still plan on possible getting stuff together for a (possible) group buy? If so I'd totally be interested. What is the in-between gauge?

justinswidebody · February 28th, 2012, 04:24 PM

We will see what happens when I get my two new gauges. One is the trail tech vapor and the othe is the Dan moto 180. I will see which one I like best and make it fit the ninja.

Kstorm21 · February 28th, 2012, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justinswidebody

We will see what happens when I get my two new gauges. One is the trail tech vapor and the othe is the Dan moto 180. I will see which one I like best and make it fit the ninja.

I don't think either of those have a fuel gauge. What will you do for that?

saxnbass · February 28th, 2012, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kstorm21

I don't think either of those have a fuel gauge. What will you do for that?

The DanMoto Speedo

A LCD cockpit which combines a speedometer(mph&kmh), Tachometer, fuel gauge, a clock and a
milage counter(total & trip).

Adjustable to tyre sizes from 13 to 25 inch.

Indication lights for turnsignals, high beam,neutral and empty fuel tank.

justinswidebody · February 28th, 2012, 10:17 PM

http://www.dan-moto.com/DM_US/danmot...cr0nj9u59m2gd7

I was actually refering to this one :-)

justinswidebody · February 28th, 2012, 10:20 PM

http://trailtech.net/vapor.html

And this one. Which one does every body like best?

Kstorm21 · February 28th, 2012, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justinswidebody

http://www.dan-moto.com/DM_US/danmot...cr0nj9u59m2gd7

I was actually refering to this one :-)

Did you see how big or little it is? Does it look crazy small or is it me?

justinswidebody · February 29th, 2012, 12:28 AM

Yes it is small. However if you go back a few pages is the thread you will see how small the first gauge looked. I will find a way to dress these up and add more features that will make them look very appealing.

Kstorm21 · February 29th, 2012, 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justinswidebody

Yes it is small. However if you go back a few pages is the thread you will see how small the first gauge looked. I will find a way to dress these up and add more features that will make them look very appealing.

Okay but it's really small...I converted the mm to inches and it comes out to 4.7"x2.3". Ya might need a few of them.

justinswidebody · February 29th, 2012, 09:34 AM

LOL. The way I look at it is it gives me a chance to integrate a bunch more stuff into it. You will see. I have some ideas.

EMSRacer07 · February 29th, 2012, 09:47 AM

thats true looking at the pics its probably the same length as the other one lol. funny. but i think i like the 180 degree one. looks cool lol. Very interested if u can get either of those to work. haha.

matmat1222 · March 12th, 2012, 08:28 AM

Add me to the list. Been looking for digital gauges for my ninjette. And howblong do you think it will be till we would get these?

November 21st, 2011, 05:20 AM	#164
dougherty ninjette.org member Name: Tim Location: Connecticut Join Date: Nov 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 HD Street BOB 2010 HD Roadglide Posts: 64	If it works and the Rpm reflects up to 14000 Id be in

February 22nd, 2012, 08:10 AM	#167
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	what cluster is that? is that a Koso with custom gauges? __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

February 22nd, 2012, 01:39 PM	#170
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	nice. you should sell it. Seriously. __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

February 22nd, 2012, 02:21 PM	#171
mustang5.0 ninjette.org guru Name: E Location: 818 but i rep 516/631/718 Join Date: Dec 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 GIXXER 600 Posts: 381	srly... I'm in..i want that ish __________________________________________________ "You see it's not the blood you spill that gets you what you want. It's the blood you share, your family, your friendships, your community. These are the most valuable things a man could have."

February 27th, 2012, 06:35 PM	#188
razorgamez ninjette.org member Name: Neal Location: San Fran Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2008 ninja 250r Posts: 99	Looks like the gauge on the Megelli 250r These gauges look way too similar to the gauges on the Bennche Megelli 250r... __________________________________________________ ....(O_O)....(O_o)....(o_O)....(-_-)

September 28th, 2011, 04:22 PM	#161
quanttrom ninjette.org member Name: QUANT Location: Canada Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250r Posts: 176	I am not 100% sure but I would like to give you my reasoning. Typically hall effect sensors are used for abs and other accurate speed detection applications. They will detect ferromagnetic materials(eg iron) such as in a sprocket or other shape where teeth are moving in and out of the magnetic field of the hall effect sensor. Those types of sensors produce a sine wave as one would expect. The downfall and why I believe they cannot be used in the speed sensing application for our bikes is because the magnet is attached and one or a few locations of the rotating wheel. The longest possible distance between the hall effect sensors and the magnet is lets say 10 cm. Well above anything that a hall effect sensors with that size can detect especially considering all the iron concentrated in the area; forks, break disk, etc. The output will almost look digital . You are gonna have a short period or a rise, then rapid fall followed by a long idle time of no signal. I believe an on/off hall effect switch is typically used in those applications in a digital manner. The gauge will time the delay between rising edges (or falling or w/e) and since the circumference of the wheel is know , the speed can be calculated. In order to improve the reliability at varying distances between the sensor and the break disk there are two pieces and it is necessary to insert magnets in the sprocket bolts.

October 8th, 2011, 09:28 AM	#162
CZroe CPT Falcon Name: J.Emmett Turner Location: Newnan, GA Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): '08 CP Blue EX250J, '97 unpainted EX250F, 2nd '97 unpainted EX250F (no engine), '07 black EX250F Posts: A lot.	Couldn't you just leave a magnet out?

October 12th, 2011, 10:16 AM	#163
quanttrom ninjette.org member Name: QUANT Location: Canada Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250r Posts: 176	so it seems like jonnyc is out of this. Does anybody know where we can get a comparable gauge? maybe a little bigger? i would be interested in continuing this.

November 21st, 2011, 10:25 AM	#165
dougherty ninjette.org member Name: Tim Location: Connecticut Join Date: Nov 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 HD Street BOB 2010 HD Roadglide Posts: 64	scratch that lol sorry

February 21st, 2012, 09:18 PM	#166
justinswidebody ninjette.org member Name: justin Location: ocala fl Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 ninja Posts: 79	Here's some pics of my new gauge cluster with 2 air fuel ratio gauges. I like it. Now I just need to reinstall my fuel injection. I still need to figure out how to fix the 10mph difference in speed. I think I'm going to move the main gauge cluster closer to the top. I think it will look better. What does everyone think?

February 22nd, 2012, 09:48 AM	#168
quanttrom ninjette.org member Name: QUANT Location: Canada Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250r Posts: 176	justinswidebody, would you be able to get a video as well !?

February 22nd, 2012, 01:34 PM	#169
justinswidebody ninjette.org member Name: justin Location: ocala fl Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 ninja Posts: 79	This is the same cluster Johnny had. I bought one and did my own spin on it. I made the back plate and fitted it all together. I uses two a/f gauges cause I have the ecotrons efi kit which has two oxygen sensors. So I use the a/f gauges to monitor each cylinder. I built this all for 150 dollars.

February 22nd, 2012, 06:35 PM	#172
justinswidebody ninjette.org member Name: justin Location: ocala fl Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 ninja Posts: 79	I could make more. I would just like to get the speedometer issue fixed. Also need to figure out a correct way to get the collant temp sensor to work. If someone could help me find how the stock coolant sensor works I'm sure we could figure it out. I could make these with any other two gauges anyone would want.

February 22nd, 2012, 08:24 PM	#173
quanttrom ninjette.org member Name: QUANT Location: Canada Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250r Posts: 176	How did you make the dash faceplate? By hand and just drilling it?

February 22nd, 2012, 08:44 PM	#174
Klondike1020 Intrepid Adventurer Name: Josh Location: Rochester/Buffalo NY Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2004 GSXR 750 , 71 cb350streettracker, 07 Polaris Predator 500 Posts: A lot.	For 150? U mean just the a/f gauges and plate right . What about the cluster ?

February 22nd, 2012, 09:06 PM	#175
justinswidebody ninjette.org member Name: justin Location: ocala fl Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 ninja Posts: 79	All together was 155 dollars sorry for the miss calculation earlier.. Main gauge is 85 dollars then both a/f gauges were 35 a piece so 70 for those. And then I cut out my own back plate out of spare 1/4 inch thick plexiglass I had laying around. I can easily make the gauge cluster plug in play. It's a very simple installation.

February 23rd, 2012, 06:38 AM	#176
Klondike1020 Intrepid Adventurer Name: Josh Location: Rochester/Buffalo NY Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2004 GSXR 750 , 71 cb350streettracker, 07 Polaris Predator 500 Posts: A lot.	Where did you buy your gauges ? I haven't found them that cheap?

February 23rd, 2012, 12:06 PM	#178
justinswidebody ninjette.org member Name: justin Location: ocala fl Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 ninja Posts: 79	Here's a link to the gauge cluster. http://www.ebay.com/itm/LCD-digital-...item19cd3c3cd9

February 23rd, 2012, 08:34 PM	#179
Klondike1020 Intrepid Adventurer Name: Josh Location: Rochester/Buffalo NY Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2004 GSXR 750 , 71 cb350streettracker, 07 Polaris Predator 500 Posts: A lot.	Thanks ! I am too dumb to find it on ebay

February 24th, 2012, 04:45 AM	#180
justinswidebody ninjette.org member Name: justin Location: ocala fl Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 ninja Posts: 79	No problem.

February 24th, 2012, 04:51 PM	#182
justinswidebody ninjette.org member Name: justin Location: ocala fl Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 ninja Posts: 79	The plastic conector it comes with actually slides into the ninja connector. You just have to depin the gauge conector and put the pins in the correct spot. However it does not come with the three prong connector. So I easily removed the conector from the factory gauge cluster and used it on this one. I will say that a 400ohm resistor did not fix the fuel gauge. So problems still are fuel gauge, speedometer reading 10mph to high and also the water temp sensor. If you buy one from eBay I will be more than happy to post up a wire diagram for you.

February 25th, 2012, 12:51 AM	#183
CZroe CPT Falcon Name: J.Emmett Turner Location: Newnan, GA Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): '08 CP Blue EX250J, '97 unpainted EX250F, 2nd '97 unpainted EX250F (no engine), '07 black EX250F Posts: A lot.	Will it work with a pre-gen?

February 27th, 2012, 06:46 AM	#184
justinswidebody ninjette.org member Name: justin Location: ocala fl Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 ninja Posts: 79	Guys I don't think I would buy this gauge if I where you. I'm gonna buy something different and when I'm done I will post back. But the next gauge should be cheaper than most koso installs but a little more than this one.

February 27th, 2012, 07:04 AM	#185
Klondike1020 Intrepid Adventurer Name: Josh Location: Rochester/Buffalo NY Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2004 GSXR 750 , 71 cb350streettracker, 07 Polaris Predator 500 Posts: A lot.	If you decide to get rid of it . Want to sell me yours for a used discount ?

February 27th, 2012, 02:20 PM	#187
justinswidebody ninjette.org member Name: justin Location: ocala fl Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 ninja Posts: 79	Klondike, I might let it go. Do you want just the center gauge? Or do you want all of it?

February 28th, 2012, 12:23 AM	#189
Kstorm21 ninjette.org sage Name: Katherine Location: Schofield Barracks, HI Join Date: Dec 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R SE Posts: 767	Do you still plan on possible getting stuff together for a (possible) group buy? If so I'd totally be interested. What is the in-between gauge?

February 28th, 2012, 04:24 PM	#190
justinswidebody ninjette.org member Name: justin Location: ocala fl Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 ninja Posts: 79	We will see what happens when I get my two new gauges. One is the trail tech vapor and the othe is the Dan moto 180. I will see which one I like best and make it fit the ninja.

February 28th, 2012, 10:17 PM	#193
justinswidebody ninjette.org member Name: justin Location: ocala fl Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 ninja Posts: 79	http://www.dan-moto.com/DM_US/danmot...cr0nj9u59m2gd7 I was actually refering to this one :-)

February 28th, 2012, 10:20 PM	#194
justinswidebody ninjette.org member Name: justin Location: ocala fl Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 ninja Posts: 79	http://trailtech.net/vapor.html And this one. Which one does every body like best?

February 29th, 2012, 12:28 AM	#196
justinswidebody ninjette.org member Name: justin Location: ocala fl Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 ninja Posts: 79	Yes it is small. However if you go back a few pages is the thread you will see how small the first gauge looked. I will find a way to dress these up and add more features that will make them look very appealing.

February 29th, 2012, 09:34 AM	#198
justinswidebody ninjette.org member Name: justin Location: ocala fl Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 ninja Posts: 79	LOL. The way I look at it is it gives me a chance to integrate a bunch more stuff into it. You will see. I have some ideas.

February 29th, 2012, 09:47 AM	#199
EMSRacer07 ninjette.org sage Name: Byron Location: Reno, NV Join Date: Dec 2011 Motorcycle(s): Ninja ex250 1990 Posts: 761	thats true looking at the pics its probably the same length as the other one lol. funny. but i think i like the 180 degree one. looks cool lol. Very interested if u can get either of those to work. haha. __________________________________________________ 1990 250F. ex300 motor swap, 15/42 gearing, flush side markers, newgen intergrated front fairing, rear integrated turn signals, DB Touring Bubble, zx600 rear shock, Custom DanMoto Exhaust

March 12th, 2012, 08:28 AM	#200
matmat1222 ninjette.org newbie Name: Matt Location: elmhurst Join Date: Mar 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawasaki ninja 250r Posts: 2	Add me to the list. Been looking for digital gauges for my ninjette. And howblong do you think it will be till we would get these?

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