Daytona Water Temp Gauge - Page 2

headshrink · June 26th, 2009, 12:23 AM

Mine should be here Monday

Where is a good place to tap into a switched source? I have been studying the service manual, but the electrical schematics are a little over my head.

kkim · June 26th, 2009, 12:37 AM

I used one of the wires around the sensor that you'll be replacing. There is a big connector next to the gas tank area. Use a multimeter and identify any one of those wires that is switched. Use the supplied tap to connect to the wire.

pantera · June 26th, 2009, 01:43 AM

I ran from the license plate light.

Mo1981 · June 26th, 2009, 12:22 PM

I ran mine off the same wire as Kelly.
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headshrink · June 27th, 2009, 08:02 PM

According to the service manual, the temp sensor is supposed to have silicone sealent on the threads. Did you all get special stuff at the dealer, or is there something cheaper/easier to find at HD/Lowes?

kkim · June 27th, 2009, 08:09 PM

just screw the supplied one in. it already has thread sealant (teflon) tape on it, correct?

headshrink · June 27th, 2009, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkim

just screw the supplied one in. it already has thread sealant (teflon) tape on it, correct?

I'll look.... it isn't due to arive until Monday. I have some teflon tape if not, as long as you're saying it works for this application.

kkim · June 27th, 2009, 08:14 PM

I didn't use any sealant. I'm pretty sure the new sensor comes with tape already on it.

randomwalk101 · June 28th, 2009, 09:42 PM

does this thing has back light that lights up for visibility at night?

headshrink · June 28th, 2009, 09:54 PM

Yes, kkim says in his original post that it has a blue one. Which should blend in.

EDIT: I don't know why I said that, or where exactly I thought I saw that.... but mine is green. Blue would have blended better, but an aftermarket velcroed gauge is really more about function than form.

headshrink · June 28th, 2009, 09:56 PM

Are there any other options for dressing the wires?

headshrink · June 29th, 2009, 08:04 PM

I'm working on a DIY (with pics) tonight for this mod, so I have to ask a couple more questions..... please bear with me. I want the DIY to answer all the little questions in a straight forward and simple way, so I gotta get it first

- Where did some of you ground out to?

- Anyone else want to chime in on the switched wire?

- The wires on the unit are pretty long.... did anyone trim them down, or is it best to bunch and zip-tie (they have nice connectors at the end?

- As far as dressing the wires, is this necessary, or just nice? Is it only for the exposed portion, or also under the fairing? I purchased some wire loom (similar to Kelly's) and the package says it is rated to 200 degrees... does it get any hotter under the fairing?

- I am looking for alternative mounting positions.... take a look at the picture below, does this look like it would be secure enough with the included Velcro?

Alex · June 29th, 2009, 08:09 PM

Bob -

Consider writing it up in the wiki rather than as a new post here in the tech section. I think many, if not most, of the DIY's will eventually find their way over there, and as we create new ones now, may as well put 'em there in the first place. If you do decide to wiki it up, ping me if you run in to any issues throughout and I'll work through 'em with you.

- Alex

headshrink · June 29th, 2009, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

Bob -

Consider writing it up in the wiki rather than as a new post here in the tech section. I think many, if not most, of the DIY's will eventually find their way over there, and as we create new ones now, may as well put 'em there in the first place. If you do decide to wiki it up, ping me if you run in to any issues throughout and I'll work through 'em with you.

- Alex

Good idea Alex, I'll do that.

headshrink · June 29th, 2009, 10:20 PM

Ahhhh.... multimeter broke and I don't have enough wire to get to the tail! I need more hints on that switched wire.... pllllease.

Am I looking for brown/white?

kkim · June 29th, 2009, 10:28 PM

I used a multimeter to find a switched wire at that connector. can't tell you what color the wire was. I also ran the ground wire down to that area and bolted it under one of the bolts in that area, too.

you need to make sure the location you select is not going to interfere with turning at all. turn the handlebars from lock to lock and see if the meter hits anything. I wouldn't trust the Velcro to support the meter in that location. If anything, get some industrial strength Velcro or some 3M dual lock to make sure the meter stays put.

headshrink · June 30th, 2009, 12:50 AM

It is finally done. Thanks for the help kelly.

The wire was red w/blue stripe - I studied the manual over, and over, and over until I was brave enough to tap into the central nervous system of my little ninjette.

I'm working on a DIY on the wiki.... it should be done shortly.

headshrink · July 1st, 2009, 12:39 AM

DIY Wiki is DONE... check it out!

http://www.ninjette.org/wiki/DIY_Day...ter_Temp_Gauge

kkim · July 1st, 2009, 12:44 AM

good job!

randomwalk101 · July 1st, 2009, 01:57 AM

nicely done.

Alex · July 1st, 2009, 10:32 AM

Added a link to the wiki entry from the DIY sticky at the top of the tech section.

randomwalk101 · July 1st, 2009, 07:36 PM

need to get one of this baby. Is Shindy is same as Daytona? I noticed that Shindy only has 2 wires as compared to Daytona with 3 wires?

headshrink · July 1st, 2009, 07:55 PM

As far as I have heard on this board, Shindy does make it. I didn't know there was a 2 wire one.

I wish I would have gotten mine sooner, but summer is a good time to get one in. I get up to 220F sitting at lights in mid 80s!!!

almost40 · July 1st, 2009, 08:55 PM

Has anyone seen a regular dial gauge for our little ninjas? Im just not that into the digital ones.

randomwalk101 · July 1st, 2009, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkim

I suppose if you caught the overheating light when it came on, you might be okay, but most times it is not caught early and by the time you notice, the engine is toast. If I read over 200 when I ride, I start to monitor the temp more closely.
.

So basically the bike's cooling system is not sufficient in cooling the bike sitting idle on a hot day (radiator/fan and all?)

kkim · July 1st, 2009, 09:44 PM

it will work for a little while, but an important component of the cooling system is air being flowed through the radiator. A fan can only do so much and eventually the system can be overloaded... any system can.

ankh26 · July 16th, 2009, 12:24 PM

Where is the cts sensor located

almost40 · July 16th, 2009, 12:45 PM

http://www.ninjette.org/wiki/DIY_Day...ter_Temp_Gauge

I beat you Kkim....
I WIN. lol

kkim · July 16th, 2009, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ankh26

Where is the cts sensor located

http://www.ninjette.org/wiki/DIY_Day...ter_Temp_Gauge

Alex · July 16th, 2009, 02:13 PM

Performance chip posts moved to this thread.

randomwalk101 · July 19th, 2009, 08:02 AM

finally got a chance to install this yesterday...haven't had a chance to ride it yet though..today after work....work on weekends sucks i tell you man...arghhh
anyways...the gauge back light is green..wish it was blue though...
i mounted it on top of the Scott steering damper...works for now

randomwalk101 · July 22nd, 2009, 08:36 AM

Anyone tried to tee in the stock wire into the new daytona's wire so the stock light works too? Is this doable?
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HKr1 · July 22nd, 2009, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by headshrink

Yes, kkim says in his original post that it has a blue one. Which should blend in.

EDIT: I don't know why I said that, or where exactly I thought I saw that.... but mine is green. Blue would have blended better, but an aftermarket velcroed gauge is really more about function than form.

The oil temp gauge says its blue.

headshrink · July 22nd, 2009, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKr1

The oil temp gauge says its blue.

Ahhh.... so they are liars

Momaru · July 23rd, 2009, 05:56 PM

Any fellow 'blue enthusiast' toyed around with the idea of replacing the interior LED or whatever they use for a lighting method? Or is it not that simple?

headshrink · July 23rd, 2009, 08:33 PM

The unit is sealed (it is waterproof) so I wouldn't want to break it. I believe the instructions said the battery is not serviceable by the end user anyways,which would be the same for LED, and you would have to send it into the factory to be replaced. Unless the clock is important to you, the battery isn't even needed. The unit defaults to temp when the key is on anyways.

Now that I am thinking about it.... it would be a better unit if they used digital LED displays instead of LCD.... this would take care of the display blackout issue on 100+ degree days.

randomwalk101 · July 26th, 2009, 05:59 PM

So finally took a pic of my Daytona.
I spliced the original wire into the Daytona signal wire so the stock light will light up if temp reach 230F or something like that...More way to alert of a problem is a good thing.

Here is a pic

headshrink · July 26th, 2009, 10:48 PM

Could you please clarify what you mean by this?

You have a steering damper

I haven't seen one on a 250 before.

randomwalk101 · July 27th, 2009, 05:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by headshrink

Could you please clarify what you mean by this?

You have a steering damper

I haven't seen one on a 250 before.

just strip the Daytona's wire and solder in the stock wire (the one that you have hanging), then tape it up..that's it

Steering damper? That come stock on the bike no?

headshrink · July 27th, 2009, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randomwalk101

just strip the Daytona's wire and solder in the stock wire (the one that you have hanging), then tape it up..that's it

Steering damper? That come stock on the bike no?

So this triggers the "idiot light" on the dash at ~230 degrees? If this is true, that has got to be the simplest hack yet.... I'm surprised no one has mentioned it yet.

June 28th, 2009, 09:54 PM	#50
headshrink ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Bob Location: CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r, '14 CBR500r Posts: A lot.	Yes, kkim says in his original post that it has a blue one. Which should blend in. EDIT: I don't know why I said that, or where exactly I thought I saw that.... but mine is green. Blue would have blended better, but an aftermarket velcroed gauge is really more about function than form. Last futzed with by headshrink; July 1st, 2009 at 12:35 AM.

June 29th, 2009, 08:09 PM	#53
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Bob - Consider writing it up in the wiki rather than as a new post here in the tech section. I think many, if not most, of the DIY's will eventually find their way over there, and as we create new ones now, may as well put 'em there in the first place. If you do decide to wiki it up, ping me if you run in to any issues throughout and I'll work through 'em with you. - Alex __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

July 1st, 2009, 10:32 AM	#61
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July 1st, 2009, 08:55 PM	#64
almost40 ninjette.org Monkey Spank Name: Kevin Location: Illinois Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 250R Track-Bike Woodcraft clip-ons and rearsets FZ-6 track bike Posts: A lot.	Has anyone seen a regular dial gauge for our little ninjas? Im just not that into the digital ones. __________________________________________________ Black 250R Full Area P QC Dyno Jet Kit 100 main 41T Rear Sprocket

July 16th, 2009, 12:45 PM	#68
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June 26th, 2009, 12:23 AM	#41
headshrink ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Bob Location: CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r, '14 CBR500r Posts: A lot.	Mine should be here Monday Where is a good place to tap into a switched source? I have been studying the service manual, but the electrical schematics are a little over my head.

June 26th, 2009, 12:37 AM	#42
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	I used one of the wires around the sensor that you'll be replacing. There is a big connector next to the gas tank area. Use a multimeter and identify any one of those wires that is switched. Use the supplied tap to connect to the wire.

June 26th, 2009, 01:43 AM	#43
pantera ninjette.org member Name: Brion Location: Rochester, NY Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2016 Kawasaki Vulcan 900 Custom / 2017 Kawasaki Ninja 300 Posts: 133	I ran from the license plate light.

June 26th, 2009, 12:22 PM	#44
Mo1981 ninjette.org member Name: Matt Location: Keller, TX Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ebony Ninja 250R Posts: 137	I ran mine off the same wire as Kelly. Posted via Mobile Device

June 27th, 2009, 08:02 PM	#45
headshrink ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Bob Location: CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r, '14 CBR500r Posts: A lot.	According to the service manual, the temp sensor is supposed to have silicone sealent on the threads. Did you all get special stuff at the dealer, or is there something cheaper/easier to find at HD/Lowes?

June 27th, 2009, 08:09 PM	#46
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	just screw the supplied one in. it already has thread sealant (teflon) tape on it, correct?

June 27th, 2009, 08:14 PM	#48
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	I didn't use any sealant. I'm pretty sure the new sensor comes with tape already on it.

June 28th, 2009, 09:42 PM	#49
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	does this thing has back light that lights up for visibility at night?

June 28th, 2009, 09:56 PM	#51
headshrink ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Bob Location: CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r, '14 CBR500r Posts: A lot.	Are there any other options for dressing the wires?

June 29th, 2009, 08:04 PM	#52
headshrink ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Bob Location: CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r, '14 CBR500r Posts: A lot.	I'm working on a DIY (with pics) tonight for this mod, so I have to ask a couple more questions..... please bear with me. I want the DIY to answer all the little questions in a straight forward and simple way, so I gotta get it first - Where did some of you ground out to? - Anyone else want to chime in on the switched wire? - The wires on the unit are pretty long.... did anyone trim them down, or is it best to bunch and zip-tie (they have nice connectors at the end? - As far as dressing the wires, is this necessary, or just nice? Is it only for the exposed portion, or also under the fairing? I purchased some wire loom (similar to Kelly's) and the package says it is rated to 200 degrees... does it get any hotter under the fairing? - I am looking for alternative mounting positions.... take a look at the picture below, does this look like it would be secure enough with the included Velcro?

June 29th, 2009, 10:20 PM	#55
headshrink ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Bob Location: CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r, '14 CBR500r Posts: A lot.	Ahhhh.... multimeter broke and I don't have enough wire to get to the tail! I need more hints on that switched wire.... pllllease. Am I looking for brown/white?

June 29th, 2009, 10:28 PM	#56
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	I used a multimeter to find a switched wire at that connector. can't tell you what color the wire was. I also ran the ground wire down to that area and bolted it under one of the bolts in that area, too. you need to make sure the location you select is not going to interfere with turning at all. turn the handlebars from lock to lock and see if the meter hits anything. I wouldn't trust the Velcro to support the meter in that location. If anything, get some industrial strength Velcro or some 3M dual lock to make sure the meter stays put.

June 30th, 2009, 12:50 AM	#57
headshrink ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Bob Location: CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r, '14 CBR500r Posts: A lot.	It is finally done. Thanks for the help kelly. The wire was red w/blue stripe - I studied the manual over, and over, and over until I was brave enough to tap into the central nervous system of my little ninjette. I'm working on a DIY on the wiki.... it should be done shortly.

July 1st, 2009, 12:39 AM	#58
headshrink ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Bob Location: CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r, '14 CBR500r Posts: A lot.	DIY Wiki is DONE... check it out! http://www.ninjette.org/wiki/DIY_Day...ter_Temp_Gauge

July 1st, 2009, 12:44 AM	#59
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	good job!

July 1st, 2009, 01:57 AM	#60
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	nicely done.

July 1st, 2009, 07:36 PM	#62
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	need to get one of this baby. Is Shindy is same as Daytona? I noticed that Shindy only has 2 wires as compared to Daytona with 3 wires?

July 1st, 2009, 07:55 PM	#63
headshrink ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Bob Location: CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r, '14 CBR500r Posts: A lot.	As far as I have heard on this board, Shindy does make it. I didn't know there was a 2 wire one. I wish I would have gotten mine sooner, but summer is a good time to get one in. I get up to 220F sitting at lights in mid 80s!!!

July 1st, 2009, 09:44 PM	#66
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	it will work for a little while, but an important component of the cooling system is air being flowed through the radiator. A fan can only do so much and eventually the system can be overloaded... any system can.

July 16th, 2009, 12:24 PM	#67
ankh26 ninjette.org member Name: Manny Location: Milton, NH Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): KLR 650, vulcan 900, ninja 250 Posts: 16	Where is the cts sensor located

July 16th, 2009, 02:13 PM	#70
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Performance chip posts moved to this thread. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

July 19th, 2009, 08:02 AM	#71
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	finally got a chance to install this yesterday...haven't had a chance to ride it yet though..today after work....work on weekends sucks i tell you man...arghhh anyways...the gauge back light is green..wish it was blue though... i mounted it on top of the Scott steering damper...works for now

July 22nd, 2009, 08:36 AM	#72
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	Anyone tried to tee in the stock wire into the new daytona's wire so the stock light works too? Is this doable? Posted via Mobile Device

July 23rd, 2009, 05:56 PM	#75
Momaru ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Paul Location: Roanoke, VA Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Candy Plasma Blue 250R Posts: A lot.	Any fellow 'blue enthusiast' toyed around with the idea of replacing the interior LED or whatever they use for a lighting method? Or is it not that simple? __________________________________________________ Proud member of the Blue Army

July 23rd, 2009, 08:33 PM	#76
headshrink ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Bob Location: CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r, '14 CBR500r Posts: A lot.	The unit is sealed (it is waterproof) so I wouldn't want to break it. I believe the instructions said the battery is not serviceable by the end user anyways,which would be the same for LED, and you would have to send it into the factory to be replaced. Unless the clock is important to you, the battery isn't even needed. The unit defaults to temp when the key is on anyways. Now that I am thinking about it.... it would be a better unit if they used digital LED displays instead of LCD.... this would take care of the display blackout issue on 100+ degree days.

July 26th, 2009, 05:59 PM	#77
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	Okay...here is mine So finally took a pic of my Daytona. I spliced the original wire into the Daytona signal wire so the stock light will light up if temp reach 230F or something like that...More way to alert of a problem is a good thing. Here is a pic

July 26th, 2009, 10:48 PM	#78
headshrink ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Bob Location: CA Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250r, '14 CBR500r Posts: A lot.	Could you please clarify what you mean by this? You have a steering damper I haven't seen one on a 250 before.

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