Why NO reserve tank??? DIY anyone?

gilmorec61 · March 13th, 2012, 06:43 PM

So guys...Im sure its happened to a few of us, as well as me...Its happened 2 or 3 times to me. I DONE RUNNED OUTA GASOLINEEE!

The one thing i think i HATE on these bikes is that there isnt a RESERVE tank!!!

So, has anyone done a DIY on making their own reserve bottle/tank in the fairings somewhere that you could switch to when you run out? I would absolutly LOVE to figure out a way to make one...

Thanks

choneofakind · March 13th, 2012, 06:48 PM

DIY for keeping gas in the bike (may require prior knowledge of your bike's mileage. Not for n3wbi3s, or those who lack in the algebra department)

1) fill up tank
2) reset trip odometer
3) multiply your average mileage by the volume of the tank. Subtract 15 miles just to be safe
5) never go more miles than this on a tank.
5) repeat steps 1-4 indefinitely.

When all else fails, just fill up when the gauge says you need gas

massacremasses · March 13th, 2012, 07:08 PM

watch your gauge? lol wtf?

Boom King · March 13th, 2012, 07:16 PM

Jono · March 13th, 2012, 07:23 PM

Because you have a gas gauge! Duh. When the little needle goes down towards the little red E. You need to fill the tank. No need for a reserve.

You gave up a temp gauge and that reserve tank when you decided that the pregen was just to ugly to buy. So sucks to be you! Haha.

DIY:

Buy one of these...

Just bungee it to the rear seat and you've now got a reserve!

alex.s · March 13th, 2012, 07:34 PM

don't feel bad. running out of gas is a sign you are a great rider.......

i honestly can't count how many times i've ran out of gas last year

massacremasses · March 13th, 2012, 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alex.s

don't feel bad. running out of gas is a sign you are a great rider.......

i honestly can't count how many times i've ran out of gas last year

Reswob · March 13th, 2012, 07:40 PM

I'd gladly trade an inaccurate fuel gauge for a reserve switch. Maybe a very small container of gas under the passenger seat?

gilmorec61 · March 13th, 2012, 07:41 PM

Quote:

DIY for keeping gas in the bike (may require prior knowledge of your bike's mileage. Not for n3wbi3s, or those who lack in the algebra department)

1) fill up tank
2) reset trip odometer
3) multiply your average mileage by the volume of the tank. Subtract 15 miles just to be safe
5) never go more miles than this on a tank.
5) repeat steps 1-4 indefinitely.

When all else fails, just fill up when the gauge says you need gas

Yeah i could do that, but i just dont like the feeling that i dont have a 'backup' gas tank...:/

Quote:

Look in the manual there is a petcock they say is useful for draining the tank. This makes me think that there is a tiny reserve it just is not advertised that way. It also looked like it was a PITA to get to that petcock.

So there is a petcock that you could put on it that you could get a few more miles out of?

Quote:

watch your gauge? lol wtf?

Its not accurate AT ALL!

Quote:

Because you have a gas gauge! Duh. When the little needle goes down towards the little red E. You need to fill the tank. No need for a reserve. You gave up a temp gauge and that reserve tank when you decided that the pregen was just to ugly to buy. So sucks to be you! Haha.

DIY:

Buy one of these...

Just bungee it to the rear seat and you've now got a reserve!

But its not accurate at all! I would MUCH rather have the temperature guage than the gas guage IMO... and lol, yeah that could work

Quote:

don't feel bad. running out of gas is a sign you are a great rider.......

i honestly can't count how many times i've ran out of gas last year

Yeah i think in the 2 and a half months ive been riding ive ran out 3? times...

massacremasses · March 13th, 2012, 07:42 PM

I guess I got lucky and mine is semi accurate? lol

gilmorec61 · March 13th, 2012, 07:42 PM

Quote:

I'd gladly trade an inaccurate fuel gauge for a reserve switch. Maybe a very small container of gas under the passenger seat?

Thats what i was thinking...I actually did that before to figure out the EXACT mileage of my bike, it was a mason jar

But, i would like to do something a little more permanant, you know?

k-os · March 13th, 2012, 07:50 PM

Reserves on bikes are not an extra fuel cell hidden somewhere. They involve the petcock having a tube that the "On" position pulls from and then when switched to "Reserve" it is able to completely empty the tank. This makes the effective capacity of the tank slightly smaller than what it actually holds.

You may be able to find a different petcock (pre-gen maybe?) that you could try using.

jdoucet93 · March 13th, 2012, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by massacremasses

watch your gauge? lol wtf?

+1

The fuel gauge on our bikes may not be the most accurate in the world, but it does give you at least some idea of how much gas you have left. I can understand if you run out once. But just make sure you fill up before the gauge gets that low again.

k-os · March 13th, 2012, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by trixter

Or just read the manual where it talks about flipping the post gen petcock to the reserve position for draining the tank. I do not know how much is there, but that is what is in my 2012 manual. They do not refer to it as a reserve rather they say its only useful to drain the tank which makes me think its a really small amount but it might be enough to get (closer) to a gas station.

What you're thinking of is the PRIME position of the petcock. They say to use that when draining the tank because the 2008+ Ninja Petcock is a vacuum operated petcock. When it is in the ON position fuel should only flow when a vacuum is present (when the engine is turning over). The PRIME position is similar to the old-style petcock where you turn it to ON and the fuel is able to flow, and OFF closes the valve.

Ramen · March 13th, 2012, 07:57 PM

If only there was a way to measure the distance I can usually go before refilling the tank. I could press a button and the measurement would reset so I'd always know for sure.

Man if I could invent something like that I would be a millionaire. Bah it'd never take off anyway.

Alex · March 13th, 2012, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trixter

Or just read the manual where it talks about flipping the post gen petcock to the reserve position for draining the tank.

No reserve postion on new-gen petcock. Just on & prime.

Quote:

Originally Posted by k-os

What you're thinking of is the PRIME position of the petcock. They say to use that when draining the tank because the 2008+ Ninja Petcock is a vacuum operated petcock. When it is in the ON position fuel should only flow when a vacuum is present (when the engine is turning over). The PRIME position is similar to the old-style petcock where you turn it to ON and the fuel is able to flow, and OFF closes the valve.

The new-gen petcock doesn't have an off setting either, just On or Prime. Details on page 39 of our owners manual. Link to manual in sticky thread below:

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=959

CynicalC · March 13th, 2012, 09:26 PM

So does your car have a reserve tank? Or do you, you know, watch the fuel gauge and get gas when it's nearing empty? Just wondering...

Malicious Logic · March 13th, 2012, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CynicalC

So does your car have a reserve tank? Or do you, you know, watch the fuel gauge and get gas when it's nearing empty? Just wondering...

+1

NDspd · March 13th, 2012, 09:37 PM

My gas gauge sucks balls, I'll be near empty and I still have only used 3.3 gallons left. It's so deceiving.

gfloyd2002 · March 13th, 2012, 09:43 PM

DIY:

Step 1: Look at this instrument gauge when you are riding . . . When that little needle on the right gets down where it is there near the E, get gas.

Step 2: If that didn't work, get these . . .

choneofakind · March 13th, 2012, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CynicalC

So does your car have a reserve tank? Or do you, you know, watch the fuel gauge and get gas when it's nearing empty? Just wondering...

hell, my car didn't even have a working gas gauge. I bought gas based on the mileage. I got on the ninja, and it was the same thing! no problemo!

raybolic · March 14th, 2012, 02:12 AM

I don't even have a fuel gauge on my ninja and I'm not even complaining!

When the light comes up I just get gas from the nearest station.

Oh and you can keep track of your odometer to estimate.. i.e. I know i'll be needing gas soon after 300km.

GateKeeper · March 14th, 2012, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CynicalC

So does your car have a reserve tank? Or do you, you know, watch the fuel gauge and get gas when it's nearing empty? Just wondering...

not a reserve tank, but a 15 liter reserve of gas is in the tank, I have this little light that turns on, in the dash, this tells me my tank is near empty, and it has about 15 liters of gas left, time to get some really soon....

Then again, I never really get down below a 1/4 tank anyways in the suv so it's moot point, being a 95 liter tank, it get's really expensive having to fill that puppy up all in one shot.....

massacremasses · March 14th, 2012, 08:16 AM

you know you can open the cap and shake it around...

be like meh there is enough, or oh shoot I need to get some gas....

coondog · March 14th, 2012, 08:24 AM

I fill my tank everytime I check my air, I don't have a guage. I guess having a .8 gallon reserve is better? Create a good routine and take care of your ride and self. Running out of gas is ass. It's also good to run your tank out as far as you can every month or two to keep the fuel clean as possible, easy with a reserve. Didn't know the improved version had no reserve, first for me.

flynjay · March 14th, 2012, 08:30 AM

If you really want a reserve, you could replace the petcock with a pregen. I know the bolt pattern is the same, but the seal is a little different.

You will loose the "prime" function.

Personally, I just look at the odometer. I generally switch to reserve at 150 and get gas before it goes over 180.

blink · March 14th, 2012, 10:54 AM

Fill up at half or whenever you see a station lol

Trailerboy531 · March 14th, 2012, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gfloyd2002

Step 2: If that didn't work, get these . . .

choneofakind · March 14th, 2012, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flynjay

I generally switch to reserve at 150 and get gas before it goes over 180.

Jay say Wha? that defeats the whole purpose of reserve. The point of reserve is to have extra gas in case you push it too far and drain the "main" tank. If you just randomly select reserve, that means you have the ability to completely drain the tank, and run out of gas completely.

I never switch to reserve unless the bike starts sputtering and dying randomly because I've pushed it to the point of being super low on gas. That doesn't usually happen until like 240 or so miles. (now it will be more like 220 miles because I redid my intake and jetting) Then I have .75 gallons roughly left which is more than enough to get to a station and fill up

flynjay · March 14th, 2012, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choneofakind

Jay say Wha? that defeats the whole purpose of reserve. The point of reserve is to have extra gas in case you push it too far and drain the "main" tank. If you just randomly select reserve, that means you have the ability to completely drain the tank, and run out of gas completely.

I never switch to reserve unless the bike starts sputtering and dying randomly because I've pushed it to the point of being super low on gas. That doesn't usually happen until like 240 or so miles. (now it will be more like 220 miles because I redid my intake and jetting) Then I have .75 gallons roughly left which is more than enough to get to a station and fill up

I don't like the idea of running out of gas anywhere, even on reserve. Last thing I want is to have the engine die when going through a intersection or on the highway.

Truthfully, I leave it on reserve all the time.

choneofakind · March 14th, 2012, 01:31 PM

but that will make you run out of gas! the reserve is in case you empty the main tank! you just reach down and switch from "on" to "res" when it starts sputtering and not responding to throttle. Then it perks right back up again and you can go get gas within 40 miles

don't leave it on reserve, cuz on reserve, once you're out, you're out

flynjay · March 14th, 2012, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by choneofakind

but that will make you run out of gas! the reserve is in case you empty the main tank! you just reach down and switch from "on" to "res" when it starts sputtering and not responding to throttle. Then it perks right back up again and you can go get gas within 40 miles

don't leave it on reserve, cuz on reserve, once you're out, you're out

I also never go more than 180 miles without filling up. Actually going to stop off after work seeing that I'm at 174 right now.

I do get your point though.

choneofakind · March 14th, 2012, 01:37 PM

oh really? huh. I always let mine go down to reserve unless I know I'm going any distance because that way, I can burn through the crud and water potentially at the bottom of the tank. Better to burn it off a little at a time than to completely get stranded because your bike doesn't like running on only water at the bottom of the tank.

I guess you riding around on reserve all the time also does that...

LoneRonin · March 14th, 2012, 03:52 PM

the fuel guage isn't inaccurate. You just gotta know how to use it...
Its 18L(Americans do your coversions), when it hits Empty you still have 6L, a third of the tank....on EMPTY!!! and you're complaining about not having reserve? That's more than enough to get you to your next fill up.

Reswob · March 14th, 2012, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneRonin

the fuel guage isn't inaccurate. You just gotta know how to use it...
Its 18L(Americans do your coversions), when it hits Empty you still have 6L, a third of the tank....on EMPTY!!! and you're complaining about not having reserve? That's more than enough to get you to your next fill up.

When the gauge reads empty with 1/3 of a tank left, we call that inaccurate. If empty meant empty, THEN the gauge would be correct.

menikmati · March 14th, 2012, 07:59 PM

My bike had a broken fuel gauge before I bought it so I've learned to use the trip meter.

CZroe · March 16th, 2012, 06:03 AM

It's bitten me more than a few times.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdoucet93

+1

The fuel gauge on our bikes may not be the most accurate in the world, but it does give you at least some idea of how much gas you have left. I can understand if you run out once. But just make sure you fill up before the gauge gets that low again.

Nope. I've had it run empty showing more than an 8th of a tank and had it still run well below empty. Even the inaccuracy varies! Also, having crossed the country a couple times I ran into the situation a few times when I was in the middle of nowhere with no station for miles and miles and miles and miles.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneRonin

the fuel guage isn't inaccurate. You just gotta know how to use it...
Its 18L(Americans do your coversions), when it hits Empty you still have 6L, a third of the tank....on EMPTY!!! and you're complaining about not having reserve? That's more than enough to get you to your next fill up.

You are making a HUGE assumption there... TWO in fact.

#1: The inaccuracy is the same for everyone
#2: The inaccuracy is fixed for one person and does not vary for that person

March 13th, 2012, 07:08 PM	#3
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	watch your gauge? lol wtf? __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

March 13th, 2012, 07:34 PM	#6
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	don't feel bad. running out of gas is a sign you are a great rider....... i honestly can't count how many times i've ran out of gas last year __________________________________________________

March 13th, 2012, 07:40 PM	#8
Reswob ninjette.org sage Name: Josh Location: Richmond VA Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Triumph Bonneville Black Posts: 627	I'd gladly trade an inaccurate fuel gauge for a reserve switch. Maybe a very small container of gas under the passenger seat? __________________________________________________ '08 Bonneville Black sold->'08 Ninja 250R \| OES Swingarm Spools \| EBC HH brake pads \| reflector delete \| no-cut brake light modulator \| DIY fender eliminator

March 13th, 2012, 07:42 PM	#10
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	I guess I got lucky and mine is semi accurate? lol __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

March 13th, 2012, 09:26 PM	#17
CynicalC ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Colin Location: Bay Area Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): '96 EX250 Posts: A lot.	So does your car have a reserve tank? Or do you, you know, watch the fuel gauge and get gas when it's nearing empty? Just wondering... __________________________________________________ Ç¥ñï©ª\| ßÿ Ñâ7µ®é. Äñt¡~§º¢Ïä\| ßý Çhøî©è.

March 13th, 2012, 06:43 PM	#1
gilmorec61 ninjette.org guru Name: Chris Location: Newnan, G.A. Join Date: Jan 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 347	Why NO reserve tank??? DIY anyone? So guys...Im sure its happened to a few of us, as well as me...Its happened 2 or 3 times to me. I DONE RUNNED OUTA GASOLINEEE! The one thing i think i HATE on these bikes is that there isnt a RESERVE tank!!! So, has anyone done a DIY on making their own reserve bottle/tank in the fairings somewhere that you could switch to when you run out? I would absolutly LOVE to figure out a way to make one... Thanks

March 13th, 2012, 06:48 PM	#2
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	DIY for keeping gas in the bike (may require prior knowledge of your bike's mileage. Not for n3wbi3s, or those who lack in the algebra department) 1) fill up tank 2) reset trip odometer 3) multiply your average mileage by the volume of the tank. Subtract 15 miles just to be safe 5) never go more miles than this on a tank. 5) repeat steps 1-4 indefinitely. When all else fails, just fill up when the gauge says you need gas

March 13th, 2012, 07:16 PM	#4
Boom King So, where's the reverse? Name: Anson Location: Ontario, Canada Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.

March 13th, 2012, 07:23 PM	#5
Jono ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jono Location: Memphis, TN Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Triumph Street Triple, 2009 KLX250SF, 2003 Suzuki SV650S (Sold), 2006 Ninja 250 (Sold) Posts: A lot.	Because you have a gas gauge! Duh. When the little needle goes down towards the little red E. You need to fill the tank. No need for a reserve. You gave up a temp gauge and that reserve tank when you decided that the pregen was just to ugly to buy. So sucks to be you! Haha. DIY: Buy one of these... Just bungee it to the rear seat and you've now got a reserve!

March 13th, 2012, 07:50 PM	#12
k-os ninjette.org sage Name: Andy Location: Sheboygan, WI Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 1988 Honda Hawk NT650, 1989 Honda Hawk NT650, 1997 GSXR750 Track Bike Posts: 890	Reserves on bikes are not an extra fuel cell hidden somewhere. They involve the petcock having a tube that the "On" position pulls from and then when switched to "Reserve" it is able to completely empty the tank. This makes the effective capacity of the tank slightly smaller than what it actually holds. You may be able to find a different petcock (pre-gen maybe?) that you could try using.

March 13th, 2012, 07:57 PM	#15
Ramen Frak It Name: Sean Location: SWFL Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250R Posts: 199	If only there was a way to measure the distance I can usually go before refilling the tank. I could press a button and the measurement would reset so I'd always know for sure. Man if I could invent something like that I would be a millionaire. Bah it'd never take off anyway.

March 13th, 2012, 09:37 PM	#19
NDspd 1/4 English, 3/4 Kick Ass Name: Jeremy Location: Dayton, OH Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2002 Triumph Speed Triple 955i, '05 Suzuki SV650S(retired), '11 Ninja 250R(sold) Posts: A lot.	My gas gauge sucks balls, I'll be near empty and I still have only used 3.3 gallons left. It's so deceiving.

March 13th, 2012, 09:43 PM	#20
gfloyd2002 User Title Free Since '12 Name: Floyd Location: Barbados Join Date: Dec 2010 Motorcycle(s): '10 Ninja 250R Special Edition Green Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 13 MOTM - Feb '12	DIY: Step 1: Look at this instrument gauge when you are riding . . . When that little needle on the right gets down where it is there near the E, get gas. Step 2: If that didn't work, get these . . . __________________________________________________ "Improvement makes straight roads, but the crooked roads without improvement, are roads of genius." — William Blake

March 14th, 2012, 02:12 AM	#22
raybolic ninjette.org member Name: Rei Location: HK Join Date: Feb 2012 Motorcycle(s): Ninja250R Posts: 63	I don't even have a fuel gauge on my ninja and I'm not even complaining! When the light comes up I just get gas from the nearest station. Oh and you can keep track of your odometer to estimate.. i.e. I know i'll be needing gas soon after 300km.

March 14th, 2012, 08:16 AM	#24
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	you know you can open the cap and shake it around... be like meh there is enough, or oh shoot I need to get some gas.... __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

March 14th, 2012, 08:24 AM	#25
coondog ninjette.org sage Name: john Location: Palm Beach County, Fl Sligo County, Eire Join Date: Dec 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2005 ninja 250 street fighter, 2008 street fighter ninja 500, 2001 nsr 125 Posts: 812	I fill my tank everytime I check my air, I don't have a guage. I guess having a .8 gallon reserve is better? Create a good routine and take care of your ride and self. Running out of gas is ass. It's also good to run your tank out as far as you can every month or two to keep the fuel clean as possible, easy with a reserve. Didn't know the improved version had no reserve, first for me.

March 14th, 2012, 08:30 AM	#26
flynjay ninjette.org guru Name: Jason Location: Houston, TX Join Date: Nov 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250 (sold), '06 Ninja 650R Posts: 455	If you really want a reserve, you could replace the petcock with a pregen. I know the bolt pattern is the same, but the seal is a little different. You will loose the "prime" function. Personally, I just look at the odometer. I generally switch to reserve at 150 and get gas before it goes over 180.

March 14th, 2012, 10:54 AM	#27
blink Always. Name: Alex Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): '08 Ninja 250, '05 GSX-R600 Posts: A lot.	Fill up at half or whenever you see a station lol __________________________________________________ blink-182

March 14th, 2012, 01:31 PM	#31
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	but that will make you run out of gas! the reserve is in case you empty the main tank! you just reach down and switch from "on" to "res" when it starts sputtering and not responding to throttle. Then it perks right back up again and you can go get gas within 40 miles don't leave it on reserve, cuz on reserve, once you're out, you're out

March 14th, 2012, 01:37 PM	#33
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	oh really? huh. I always let mine go down to reserve unless I know I'm going any distance because that way, I can burn through the crud and water potentially at the bottom of the tank. Better to burn it off a little at a time than to completely get stranded because your bike doesn't like running on only water at the bottom of the tank. I guess you riding around on reserve all the time also does that...

March 14th, 2012, 03:52 PM	#34
LoneRonin ninjette.org sage Name: Jason Location: Mississauga Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 09 Ninja 250r Posts: 634	the fuel guage isn't inaccurate. You just gotta know how to use it... Its 18L(Americans do your coversions), when it hits Empty you still have 6L, a third of the tank....on EMPTY!!! and you're complaining about not having reserve? That's more than enough to get you to your next fill up.

March 14th, 2012, 07:59 PM	#36
menikmati crash 250, get supersport Name: Richard Location: San Diego, CA Join Date: Apr 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2010 250R SE (Sold 6/9/14), 2009 ZX-6R (Sold 6/25/14), Subaru BRZ Posts: A lot.	My bike had a broken fuel gauge before I bought it so I've learned to use the trip meter.

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