August 18th, 2016, 06:07 AM | #1 |
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Gear Comparison (ATGATT vs. ....)
Co-worker/friend of mine and I rode to work together last week. We had laid our gear down on the table and I thought this would make an interesting picture as a gear comparison.
His gear consists of the helmet on the right and that's about it. My gear is everything else you see (jeans have kevlar & pads). I keep trying to encourage him to get more gear but everyone has the right to make their own decisions I suppose. |
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August 18th, 2016, 07:56 AM | #2 |
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Yep. It's his choice. Not your place to be a nanny.
But here's some truth... scars ain't sexy. (That's Brittany Morrow, the "Road Rash Queen." Her choice of gear before this happened was the same as your friend's... a helmet. Read her story at http://www.rockthegear.org/ ) Instead of pushing him to get gear, I'd ask this guy just one question: What exactly do you think is going to happen to you if you go down? Let him make his own choices. You've made yours and you have your reasons. Stating those reasons is a better way to persuade than telling people what they should do, IMHO. If your friend is intelligent enough to be worth hanging out with in the first place, he just might get the hint. I post a lot about gear and ATGATT. The constant drumbeat is why I choose what I choose... leading the horse to water. If that's encouraged someone else to think more critically about protecting themselves, great. That's the goal.
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August 18th, 2016, 08:38 AM | #3 |
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Show him this video (some swearing, so turn the volume down if you are at work) -
Link to original page on YouTube. |
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August 18th, 2016, 10:04 AM | #4 |
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Is that a fly racing backpack??? Looks sweet!
This isn't team America world police we are playing... I wish everyone would dress for the crash, but you know they won't... Gota learn to let folks live an die with the choices they themselves make... You can't bring freedom and democracy to everyone
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August 18th, 2016, 10:14 AM | #5 |
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Thanks for the links guys, even though I already gear up anyways I always like to educate myself.
@JohnnyBravo - Yes it is, thanks! It's the Fly Racing Jump backpack. Pretty cheap on ebay (http://www.ebay.com/itm/161424371385...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT). I saw it in a motovlog and instantly decided that was the one. It's very simple, just two pockets. The large pocket has a couple of sleeve type compartments in it. I just needed something simple for if I'm commuting. I also loved the Hi-Vis that way no matter what jacket I'm wearing I can be seen. Fly Racing has an updated version of the Jump with some new colors now too: http://www.flyracing.com/category/ca...gage/backpacks |
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August 18th, 2016, 10:27 AM | #6 |
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Hi-viz is one of my favorite colors!!!
I try to stay up on The fly racing gear, one of my neighbors was / still might be sponsored by them (atv racer) I use to love when they sent him stuff he didn't like. They make cool stuff in great colors, from mild too wild!!! Might have to get that backpack; I can't have too many way to tote stuff
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August 18th, 2016, 10:31 AM | #7 | |
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August 18th, 2016, 10:37 AM | #8 |
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Sweet saddle bags!!!
I have a coat, vest, helmet, shoes, gloves, shorts, sunglasses, shirts, hats... See where I'm goin with this not all mororcycle related but topically appropriate color wise
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August 18th, 2016, 10:38 AM | #9 | |
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But if you care about people (like a friends, relatives, or coworkers), you do your best to educate them. Some people just can't imagine what is going to happen when you get tossed down the road, or think it could never happen to them - I see them riding around here all day long. When you have experienced exactly what happens when things go bad you try to convince people that it's worth the effort to be properly prepared. Doesn't always work. Last futzed with by jkv45; August 18th, 2016 at 12:33 PM. |
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August 18th, 2016, 10:43 AM | #10 |
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They were on sale, $50. Black was 85 or something. I can fit 4 days worth of clothes, shoes, toiletries, 12V air compressor, chain lube and tire plugs in there.
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August 18th, 2016, 10:46 AM | #11 | |
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I know folks that are rashed up and still don't wear gear, they come out of the hospital, get their casts off and go right back out in shorts and tshirts. Yup I tell them they are dumb, an try to avoid them so they don't rub their stupidity off on me, but they never listened to anyone before Idk, it's just one of those days
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August 18th, 2016, 10:49 AM | #12 | |
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You could about ride around the world with all that
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August 18th, 2016, 11:29 AM | #13 | |
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In reality, good luck. Most people are stubborn and set in their ways. Hopefully he smarts up and gets gear.
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August 19th, 2016, 01:05 PM | #14 | |
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September 14th, 2016, 08:13 PM | #15 |
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Tell him that those gears would not guarantee his survival in a crash.
But it can increase the percentage. Then why gamble?
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September 15th, 2016, 08:13 AM | #16 |
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Well he's certainly not a dummy but he's made his choice(s). I'm gonna keep rocking all my gear and be happy!
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September 15th, 2016, 12:31 PM | #17 |
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i say let people make their own choices. it will help humanity in the long run.
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September 15th, 2016, 03:37 PM | #18 | |
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My 2¢,
I know Brittany "Queen B"Morrow, we worked together, rode together, she's an amazing lady. She got me interested in becoming a rider coach. Her story is a wake up call for sure, not only for gear, but she was a passenger when her accident happened. I'm an advocate for ATGATT, but in the end it's a personal choice, the best one can do is educate, and hope they listen. I feel the need to share this posting from the EX-500.COM that happened back in 2009, but it's a timeless story, the lessons from my mistake (somewhat graphic, be careful) It's a simple enough story, that went totally wrong, by a fellow forum member by the name of mgbenny Here is his first post in the long thread, which has over 30,000 views. Quote:
And why I'm such a strong supporter of her cause, and A.T.G.A.T.T. If this post saves just one person, it is worth it, and makes one think before riding with no gear. And if videos are your thing, then check these out,
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September 15th, 2016, 04:13 PM | #19 |
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Wear the gears; all the time!
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September 15th, 2016, 05:33 PM | #20 |
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As a person who has crashed with and with out gear I still some times ride in short's/ flip flops/ t-shirt and sun glass.
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September 15th, 2016, 05:36 PM | #21 |
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I would love to ride in shorts, and flip flops, but the reality of the real world is harsh, painful, and expensive to say the least.
Injury, cost, lost time at work, or even worse, there's no guarantees even with full gear, but your odds are dramatically increased for sure when you look at the studies done. As a rider coach, I'm bound by the code of conduct, which isn't a problem for me. During teaching the MSF BRC I've been asked why a long sleeve shirt is acceptable, we explain it's do to we are riding at low speed, non road speeds, we also require a 3/4 or full face, gloves that cover the fingers, and foot wear that covers the ankle. I explain that this is the minimum for training in a low speed, closed course environment.
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September 16th, 2016, 09:50 AM | #22 |
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Spend a grand now on gear or spend over 10 grand later on the hospital bill.
It serves it's purpose, but it is also up to the rider which they choose. Not here to shove an idea down someone's throat but common sense tells you which is the better choice. You pick, like everything in life you have to live with your decision and outcomes based on it.
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September 16th, 2016, 05:56 PM | #23 | |
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September 16th, 2016, 06:20 PM | #24 |
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It's true that I ride my bicycle in spandex, though not at 65+. I'm a lot slower than that
To be fair, a lot of crashes are caused by traffic, which isn't a problem on the trail. And the user-error crashes, well, that's under my control, and my riding style is generally chicken. Falling hurts these days. I dress better on my road bicycle, where I do deal with traffic, but still in super-chicken-mode. Never trust anybody. It was good training for picking up the motorcycle. |
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September 16th, 2016, 10:52 PM | #25 | |
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September 17th, 2016, 08:35 PM | #26 |
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Um... no. I don't. I've even been passed by a bicycle on a particular canyon that was very tight-twisty and that I needed to take slowly.
I was going to say I needed to go slow on the ninjette, but I would have been slow on a bicycle, too. |
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September 29th, 2016, 08:11 PM | #27 |
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One of my friends is a dirt bike rider, but refuses to ride a motorcycle because she thinks the gear will still rip apart and you will get road rash.
How would you respond? |
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September 30th, 2016, 05:09 AM | #29 | |
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September 30th, 2016, 09:58 AM | #30 |
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Yeah, good gear should hold up. Riders crash on the track and their gear holds up.
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October 3rd, 2016, 10:17 AM | #31 |
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I'm not into losing skin, I know how bad it hurts.., so I wear full leathers now. Like a lot of people I started out with just jeans and a t shirt, tennis shoes, bare hands..basically no protection other than a full face helmet, and although I never went down like that, I could certainly see the potential to get badly rashed up at 60-70mph on the roads here, which are like 36grit sandpaper. For about the past month I've been wearing the leathers/armor, and although its bulky and a little uncomfortable, I feel a lot safer overall. I feel naked riding in just jeans and a t shirt now, there's no going back for me. I know its not gonna save me if I run into a large immovable object at speed, or from the idiot drivers out there pulling out in front of me at the last second, but I certainly feel better about riding with it than without.
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October 3rd, 2016, 05:07 PM | #32 |
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I used to ride pillion as a young adult in a non-motorcycle leather jacket, jeans, and tennis shoes. Did wear a good helmet, but that's about all I did right.
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