MGP growler vs yoshi, what do you like?

[Hero Danny]

Well after trying, and trying again it seems I cannot find someone to sell me their slip on. So I'm just going to go buy one new..

My price range is $300 max. I don't want to go a cent over if I can help it.

My options -

Yoshi- http://www.amazon.com/Yoshimura-TRC-...pr_product_top
&
MGP- http://www.amazon.com/Hotbodies-Raci...pr_product_top

Yoshi is stainless steel and costs $273, I like the looks of it, but I've been looking into sound videos and wasn't really impressed.

MGP is carbon fiber and costs $227, I like the looks better than yoshi and I like the sounds way better than the yoshi because it has that grumble too it, less whiny sounding imo. + It's $50 cheaper.

My only issue with the MGP is that people said it was too loud and possibly illegal. Is there a silencer I could buy for it?

What are your opinions on both slip-ons? any personal experience, pros and cons to consider, etc. Any other slips-ons for near same price that I should consider?

Thanks guys!

[xSean13]

The growler is perhaps the worst sounding exhaust you can get. If you don't mind your street bike sounding like an obnoxiously loud ATV, then you might like it.

I had a Danmoto Jisu, it was Chinese and like $150, but never had problems with it except the black faded to an odd red/orange but i didn't really care.

[EternalNewb]

I don't think there is a silencer available for the MGP Growler. Is there a specific reason you want a new exhaust? I know you're on a budget, but from my understanding, full systems and rejetting are the way to go, if you're specifically looking for power gains.

[ForceofWill]

That much money for a can is a waste man. Just pick up an Area P race.

[Hero Danny]

I just want sound, also I really want to avoid ripping the carbs out and rejetting, etc.

I just want to slap on the slip on and ride away.

I'll check out the chinese slip on you're talking about.

[Alex]

Just slapping on a slipon without any jetting has a good chance of making your bike run worse than you might expect.

[Hero Danny]

Originally Posted by Alex

Just slapping on a slipon without any jetting has a good chance of making your bike run worse than you might expect.

Really? I thought people said that it wouldn't need rejetting for a slip on, only a full exhaust... Kind of puts a damper on things. I wouldn't want my bike to run worse O_O I Just want to improve the sound so the cagers can hear me a little easier.

[salcuta88]

Have you looked at Musarri?

[gantt]

I had a growler for one day. Got it for free. Sound that pos on fleabay. Way to loud is a vast understatement. Mgp and Yoshi are not even comparable. My bike did run much worse with the mgp. And it had a reverse placebo effect. it was so loud it made the bike feel slow. I wouldn't put a mgp on my snapper mower.

[Hero Danny]

Originally Posted by salcuta88

Have you looked at Musarri?

No, I haven't before. I just looked it up, and I like it man!

Do you think I would have to rejett? If not, then I'll order this thing tonight! I love the sounds of it


Also, thanks everyone for talking me out of MGP.

[antiant]

A loud pipe doesn't make you visible to cagers, fyi.

[salcuta88]

Originally Posted by Hero Danny

No, I haven't before. I just looked it up, and I like it man!

Do you think I would have to rejett? If not, then I'll order this thing tonight! I love the sounds of it


Also, thanks everyone for talking me out of MGP.

No idea.

I like the exhaust too. Seems to be sounding good and the price is ok. I'd rather pay 30 extra and get the musarri than the growler. When you get it, if you do, make a video of the sound when idling and revving. I'm thinking of putting that on mine too sometime soon.

[lgk]

slipons are kinda a waste of money.
full exhausts sound much better, and produce more power.
you can get a jardine for $350 or an area p for $200 more.

i think you'll have much better high end power, and most importantly more fun.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Hero Danny

Do you think I would have to rejett? If not, then I'll order this thing tonight! I love the sounds of it

You need to rejet for pretty much any exhaust change, if you don't want to give up performance. There is no free lunch.

[Hero Danny]

Originally Posted by Alex

There is no free lunch.

But I was planning on spending up to $300 on my lunch?

[Hero Danny]

Originally Posted by lgk

slipons are kinda a waste of money.
full exhausts sound much better, and produce more power.
you can get a jardine for $350 or an area p for $200 more.

i think you'll have much better high end power, and most importantly more fun.

I completely agree with you, but I don't really care for more power. I want to avoid the disaster of trying to mess with my carb adjustments.

[Hero Danny]

Originally Posted by salcuta88

No idea.

I like the exhaust too. Seems to be sounding good and the price is ok. I'd rather pay 30 extra and get the musarri than the growler. When you get it, if you do, make a video of the sound when idling and revving. I'm thinking of putting that on mine too sometime soon.

Not my video, but here's a great comparison from stock.

Link to original page on YouTube.

[LNasty]

I am very happy with my Leo vince. I put a couple washers on my carb needles too, to help with any leaning out the exhaust made have caused. If I had the money I would have definitely done a full exhaust and full jetting, $600 was just way too much, hopefully down the road I can

[Hero Danny]

I've been doing some research and I discovered that not all slip ons need to be rejetted. What I mean is that "some" slip ons will run perfectly fine after installation, where as some will require rejetting, it all depends on the particular slip on.
All slip ons say "does not require any tuning" well this is misleading, because even though it doesn't "Require" tuning, it will run slightly too lean without it. This is the case for most..

So, here's what I did, I contacted the seller for this Musarri http://www.ebay.com/itm/08-13-Kawasa...f71d34&vxp=mtr
asking him will I need to rejet, will performance be disrupted, etc. etc. And i'm looking back for his answer, also I contacted some people on youtube who installed the slip on and asked them if they rejetted and if not did they notice any loss of power..

If all checks out I will order the exhaust asap and report back with my findings.
Please note: that my findings for this particular slip on do NOT reflect other slip ons.

[Hero Danny]

I just pulled the trigger on it. It should arrive by this Wednesday.

I asked someone who owned the exhaust and he said "no need. This one does not require re-jetting."

So, we'll see.

[salcuta88]

Originally Posted by Hero Danny

I just pulled the trigger on it. It should arrive by this Wednesday.

I asked someone who owned the exhaust and he said "no need. This one does not require re-jetting."

So, we'll see.

Well, ain't ya lucky having me 'round?

[Hero Danny]

Originally Posted by salcuta88

Well, ain't ya lucky having me 'round?

Haha, i'll thank ya once I have it installed and everything looks good!

by the way, there is only one left so you may want to consider getting soon.

[salcuta88]

Originally Posted by Hero Danny

Haha, i'll thank ya once I have it installed and everything looks good!

by the way, there is only one left so you may want to consider getting soon.

I'm good

http://www.xtremperformance.com/cate...12-ek250k.html

[Hero Danny]

Originally Posted by salcuta88

I'm good

http://www.xtremperformance.com/cate...12-ek250k.html

Careful, it doesn't say that includes shipping. Plus that site may not protect you like ebay does.

[BoBO]

Yoshi all the way.

[salcuta88]

Originally Posted by Hero Danny

Careful, it doesn't say that includes shipping. Plus that site may not protect you like ebay does.

Yeah, shipping from Australia is 56

[Hero Danny]

Quick update: The seller responded to my question about whether or not I need to rejet and this is what he had to say back to me

"Dear dannythehero,

We have sold hundreds of these and nobody has ever told us they needed any tuning after.

This slip on is designed so that you dont need to retune. Some types of exhausts you might but this one shouldnt be a problem.

We have found that with the increased air flow you may want to adjust your idle speed after installation. Most people dont bother tho.

Any other questions feel free to ask

James

- misano-moto-imports-ca"

That looks like a green light if I've ever seen one.

[ForceofWill]

Well if the people he's talking about can't even be bothered to adjust the idle speed knob, I doubt they know wtf to do about proper jetting. My bet is they just can't tell.

[Hero Danny]

Originally Posted by ForceofWill

Well if the people he's talking about can't even be bothered to adjust the idle speed knob, I doubt they know wtf to do about proper jetting. My bet is they just can't tell.

Possibly, but I think it's fine, I talked to the guy who had his installed and he said that he didn't gain any power at all, but he most certainly didn't lose any. No dyno to prove it either way.

Worst case scenario, it's $200 I can sell it. Or just bite the bullet and adjust my carbs. but I don't think either will be necessary.

[ForceofWill]

Originally Posted by Hero Danny

Possibly, but I think it's fine, I talked to the guy who had his installed and he said that he didn't gain any power at all, but he most certainly didn't lose any. No dyno to prove it either way.

Worst case scenario, it's $200 I can sell it. Or just bite the bullet and adjust my carbs. but I don't think either will be necessary.

I might have some needles lying around, lemme check. Can't find my box with jets in it, but they might be laying around here if you end up needing them.

[Hero Danny]

Originally Posted by ForceofWill

I might have some needles lying around, lemme check. Can't find my box with jets in it, but they might be laying around here if you end up needing them.

Cool, thanks man. I appreciate it.

I'll let you know if I end up needing them.

[ForceofWill]

Originally Posted by Hero Danny

Cool, thanks man. I appreciate it.

I'll let you know if I end up needing them.

NP, just hit me up if you ever need help or a place to install/fix stuff on the bike. You're welcome to use the garage.

[NinjaZX6R123]

If you don't want to rejet then at least shim the needles with washers. If you don't want to even do that then at least remove the snorkel from the stock air box which takes literally 5 minutes. Replace stock filter while you're at it and you should be good with most slip ons.

[PHMCS]

I had one of the carbon growler MGP's that came pre-equipped on an 09 250 i picked up. It was very loud, but not what you'd call cultured. Sitting at around 8500-9000rpm or on overrun, It would rattle my teeth with a full face helmet and Vmoda faders in my ears (And I tend to enjoy a good exhaust note). I found myself riding a gear up from normal, just because it was so unpleasant at the higher RPM's.

On an odd note relating to the exhaust, I did about 140miles on it total, doing test runs and such, and in that time, I was stopped by 3 people, all asking if it was:
A.)a zx-14R (seriously?)
B.)Telling me how sick their hayabusa with under-glows was.
C.) talking to me about how they wish they still had their hayabusa but the wife won't let them have another...

Judging just from the audience alone that the growler seemed to attract, I'd go with something else...

[Hero Danny]

Well, I must say I am very impressed with the seller, the item arrived today! Literally took them one day to send it here! That's amazing!

I'll install tomorrow and give full review.

[choneofakind]

So you spent $200 on an exhaust but aren't willing to spend $25 on jets and washers to improve your jetting? Even the stock jetting needs help

And you have tom so close. Use his help and learn to do this stuff yourself.

[salcuta88]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

So you spent $200 on an exhaust but aren't willing to spend $25 on jets and washers to improve your jetting? Even the stock jetting needs help

And you have tom so close. Use his help and learn to do this stuff yourself.

Maybe he's trying to avoid the trouble of getting down in there?

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by salcuta88

Maybe he's trying to avoid the trouble of getting down in there?

lazy.

Working on carbs is not hard. It's something every rider of a carbureted motorcycle should know how to do. Because, you know, sometimes life happens and you can't ride. and when carbs aren't used, they gum up. Paying to have carbs cleaned because you don't know how to do it yourself sucks. Might as well learn to open the carbs now, when it's not an emergency.

If you know what you're doing, you can have the tank off and jets/needles changed in 10 minutes. If you don't, the first time might take an hour or two because of the air box. If all it needs is the needles raised, you don't even have to take the carbs off the bike. Just open the top caps and work slowly.

Besides, if he plays with his jetting a tad, he'll learn what each condition of fat, thin, just right, studdering, surging, bogging, etc feels like and he'll be more in tune with his bike (something all new-ish riders lack in). He really shouldn't be taking jetting advice from someone like you, who put a pipe on his bike and cannot feel any change in jetting, nor sees a need to improve the stock fueling at all because it takes too much effort. If it doesn't do anything but make noise, it's a waste of money. Yes, I'm being harsh because it's true.

Any time you change the intake/exhaust, you should at least play with a few jetting settings to see if you can improve the setup, or if it is acceptable as is. At least spend a few cents on washers to improve the midrange fueling, which is intentionally thin from the factory and could use some help.

[salcuta88]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

lazy.

Working on carbs is not hard. It's something every rider of a carbureted motorcycle should know how to do. Because, you know, sometimes life happens and you can't ride. and when carbs aren't used, they gum up. Paying to have carbs cleaned because you don't know how to do it yourself sucks. Might as well learn to open the carbs now, when it's not an emergency.

If you know what you're doing, you can have the tank off and jets/needles changed in 10 minutes. If you don't, the first time might take an hour or two because of the air box. If all it needs is the needles raised, you don't even have to take the carbs off the bike. Just open the top caps and work slowly.

Besides, if he plays with his jetting a tad, he'll learn what each condition of fat, thin, just right, studdering, surging, bogging, etc feels like and he'll be more in tune with his bike (something all new-ish riders lack in). He really shouldn't be taking jetting advice from someone like you, who put a pipe on his bike and cannot feel any change in jetting, nor sees a need to improve the stock fueling at all because it takes too much effort. If it doesn't do anything but make noise, it's a waste of money. Yes, I'm being harsh because it's true.

Any time you change the intake/exhaust, you should at least play with a few jetting settings to see if you can improve the setup, or if it is acceptable as is. At least spend a few cents on washers to improve the midrange fueling, which is intentionally thin from the factory and could use some help.

Taking advice from someone like me? I beg your pardon, but I didn't tell him to jett or not jett. I Know nothing about jetting so why would I advise in that? The only advice I gave was buying a musarri exhaust. Keep your insults to yourself.

[choneofakind]

Originally Posted by salcuta88

Taking advice from someone like me? I beg your pardon, but I didn't tell him to jett or not jett. I Know nothing about jetting so why would I advise in that?

Originally Posted by Hero Danny

I asked someone who owned the exhaust and he said "no need. This one does not require re-jetting."

Originally Posted by salcuta88

Well, ain't ya lucky having me 'round?

Am I wrong in assuming the 'someone' Danny mentions is you? That sounds like jetting advice. If the 'someone' is not you, then I sincerely apologize for my jab.