Official 2013 Ninja 300 (and 250) Thread

[adouglas]

Those motogp guys have the skills (and the tires) to lean over at 60 degrees. they need the ground clearance.

99.99999 percent of us don't.

[choneofakind]

Well yeah, they're amazing! I don't get it either! But when Yamaha raises the seat, there's more space to cram things in and shorten the wheelbase to make a better handling bike.
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[akima]

Originally Posted by ZackoFF96

if i were all of you i wont sell my 11 ninja 250 .. i will keep it
for reasons see this vid :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXdE_2p6pCU

(not my video)
im sorry its still in indonesian, but the bottomline is the plastics & build quality are MUCH worse than the 11 ninja 250. its like they didnt even want to make the damn bike.

The 2011 ninjette is clearly the better bongo. The 2013 just sounded out of tune to me... you'd struggle to get respect as a skilled percussionist on that thing.

[akima]

Also: totally love the cute little storage spot in the boot of the new ninjette! Odd place for them to put the key to access it... I'm guessing the key-hole will fill with dirt flicked up from the tyres.

[Jono]

I just wish Yamaha would bring the R15 to the US. I would so ride one of those!!

Link to original page on YouTube.

[Shibadip]

Originally Posted by Jono

I just wish Yamaha would bring the R15 to the US. I would so ride one of those!!

Yams are exporting the R15 produced in India to Japan.
If R15s see a good market there, then it can surely come to US. However, I doubt how many takers will be there for the R15.(considering Ninja 250 is considered an entry level bike there)

[mpobad]

does anybody know if the rims from the 2013 are larger or same size ? not tires.. just the rims...

[mpobad]

another question...will the k&n air filter from the current model fit the new model ? can anyone answer something like that ? tnks

[SafetyPaws]

did anyone actually think that the cbr 250 was going to take sales from the ninja 250? everyone keeps talking about it but I really don't think Honda took anything if much from our ninjette. The new 2013 ninja 250 is really nice But to me my 250 is my 250 I'm not going to get just 'replaces it. It has become a part of me and replacing it is like cutting off my arm and selling it to get a slightly better arm than mine just as good if not better wwith the practice and strength it has achieved. But that is just my opinion. In would not want to part with greenyCarrotfour at all. I'm also off my four e so sry for urun ons n spelling.

[taufik-tmcblog]

Originally Posted by Shibadip

It looks like a Indian version of R15

yess that is Yamaha YZF R15 V2.0

[taufik-tmcblog]

here is the dyno result (light blue line-dark blue line result with racing muffler )

test by Sportisi motorsport HQ

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by taufik-tmcblog

here is the dyno result (light blue line-dark blue line result with racing muffler )

test by Sportisi motorsport HQ

Could we possibly get a higher quality image? And does anyone else think that dyno looks rather off? I mean one I can't tell wtf is going on because I can't see any numbers but what exactly are we looking at? 4 torque curves? Cuz that for sure is not hp

[Jatan]

Originally Posted by SafetyPaws

did anyone actually think that the cbr 250 was going to take sales from the ninja 250? everyone keeps talking about it but I really don't think Honda took anything if much from our ninjette. The new 2013 ninja 250 is really nice But to me my 250 is my 250 I'm not going to get just 'replaces it. It has become a part of me and replacing it is like cutting off my arm and selling it to get a slightly better arm than mine just as good if not better wwith the practice and strength it has achieved. But that is just my opinion. In would not want to part with greenyCarrotfour at all. I'm also off my four e so sry for urun ons n spelling.

Kawi would not have redesigned the 250 if they didn't see the CBR 250 as a threat -- they could've easily gone a few more years with the current design but they decided to update it anyways (although the Ninja does better here in the US, I think the CBR is doing better overseas)

I think the 08-12 Ninja 250 wins in looks & performance, but the CBR 250 wins when it comes to modern instrument cluster, FI, gas mileage and ABS option

With the 2013 redesign the Ninja still wins in looks & perf, but now it also has a modern instrument cluster and ABS option so the only edge that the CBR 250 has is FI & gas mileage (probably the price too since it'll be hard to get a deal on a 2013 Ninja lol)

KTM is looking to release a 350cc bike in 2014 so if Yamaha decides to enter the market then the competition will be crazy

[RyderRider15]

I love the new look, but other than fairings and gages most of the bike seems the same to me.

[sombo]

Originally Posted by RyderRider15

I love the new look, but other than fairings and gages most of the bike seems the same to me.

Ummmm... fuel injection (they better not dare try to give the US a gimped ass carbed unit this time), optional ABS brakes, multi-staged intake for more precise throttle control, better cooling, and redesigned exhaust aren't different from the 2008-2012? There is more to the bike than just looks man.

[silentIm]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Could we possibly get a higher quality image? And does anyone else think that dyno looks rather off? I mean one I can't tell wtf is going on because I can't see any numbers but what exactly are we looking at? 4 torque curves? Cuz that for sure is not hp

Edit: sorry misread your post. Yeah the dyno owner send the photo of his display.. not the graph file.. looking forward to see the clean graph though.. Its has peak hp at 26.2.
According to the owner he used to test the previous one result between 24 and 25 hp fresh from the factory. So it's mild improvement.

[Shibadip]

Originally Posted by Jatan

Kawi would not have redesigned the 250 if they didn't see the CBR 250 as a threat -- they could've easily gone a few more years with the current design but they decided to update it anyways (although the Ninja does better here in the US, I think the CBR is doing better overseas)

I think the 08-12 Ninja 250 wins in looks & performance, but the CBR 250 wins when it comes to modern instrument cluster, FI, gas mileage and ABS option

With the 2013 redesign the Ninja still wins in looks & perf, but now it also has a modern instrument cluster and ABS option so the only edge that the CBR 250 has is FI & gas mileage (probably the price too since it'll be hard to get a deal on a 2013 Ninja lol)

KTM is looking to release a 350cc bike in 2014 so if Yamaha decides to enter the market then the competition will be crazy

CBR does well in over-seas because of the Price difference. In India we get CBR 250 with ABS within 2Lakhs INR, while the Ninja 250 cost Almost 3Lakhs INR. Now the 1Laks price difference for lesser tech is considered huge, since a entry level bike wil cost as low as 30K INR only..
Unlike the US, we consider the CBR, and Ninja as premium level bikes.

About KTM 350, it is scheduled to manufactured in India by mid 2013..


Here is the English version o the Dyno test by TMC blog
http://translate.google.com/translat...250%2F&act=url

[taufik-tmcblog]

here is the better quality dyno graph from sportisi motorsport

[taufik-tmcblog]

Originally Posted by silentIm

Edit: sorry misread your post. Yeah the dyno owner send the photo of his display.. not the graph file.. looking forward to see the clean graph though.. Its has peak hp at 26.2.
According to the owner he used to test the previous one result between 24 and 25 hp fresh from the factory. So it's mild improvement.

here you are bro

clean graph as you wish

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Could we possibly get a higher quality image? And does anyone else think that dyno looks rather off? I mean one I can't tell wtf is going on because I can't see any numbers but what exactly are we looking at? 4 torque curves? Cuz that for sure is not hp

Originally Posted by taufik-tmcblog

here you are bro

clean graph as you wish

Quoted for comparison purposes. This is the stock curve right?

Ok #1. Y U NO MAKE TORQUE CURVE NORMAL!?!? I can live with it though

Just noticed that the EFI bike's torque is in newton meters and the carbed bike is in ft lbs. 1.000 ft*lb = 1.355 N*M

And so the max torque of the EFI bike is 13.069 ft*lbs which is actually less than the 13.27 ft*lbs of the carbed version. However it appears that the EFI torque doesn't drop off as quickly and results in a little extra hp and a more usable top end.

So it looks like the EFI bike is all around faster than the carb bike at stock. Can't wait to see what a fully tuned supergen can do

[Somchai]

Hello Taufik,

do I read this right, that the rev-limit is 11800 rpm now?
And do you know the setup of ignition from the 2013 Ninja?
The 2008 has 10 deg. at 1300 rpm and 38 deg. at 6000 rpm.

The dynos from the older versions look different, they go to higher revs.

Thank you and have a safe ride

[taufik-tmcblog]

Originally Posted by Somchai

Hello Taufik,

do I read this right, that the rev-limit is 11800 rpm now?

yes, below 12000 rpm the red line

[cuong-nutz]

Originally Posted by Jiggles

Can't wait to see what a fully tuned supergen can do

Can't wait to race one

[Shibadip]

Originally Posted by taufik-tmcblog

yes, below 12000 rpm the red line

The redline given in Tacho is 13K

[Racer x]

The red line or the top of the power band is 11800 rpm. The rev limit (when the ignition shuts off )is 13500. If the new ignition is at 38 deg then they moved it up from 35 deg. First Jen bikes had it at 42 with a 15000 rpm limit.

What they have done is advance the timing to give more torque. The factory boys must read this forum. Haha

[RyderRider15]

Originally Posted by sombo

Ummmm... fuel injection (they better not dare try to give the US a gimped ass carbed unit this time), optional ABS brakes, multi-staged intake for more precise throttle control, better cooling, and redesigned exhaust aren't different from the 2008-2012? There is more to the bike than just looks man.

yea the fuel injection is nice but from my understanding they've had that for awhile outside of the US. Idk if I consider abs to be a good thing yet, havent riden a bike with it but I hear mixed things. Id liked to of seen all of that along with better engine, a more sporty riding position,
On bt-45's like the 08 or at least sonething better than ircs. I also haven't seen the price, but ive heard its close to the 650r. Idk the changes just didnt blow me away (other than the looks)

[ali0120]

Can someone give a brief explanation on what these 4 different colors represent?

Originally Posted by Jiggles

[Racer x]

Lower numbers are torque and the upper numbers are horse power. Blue is one engi e red is the other

[choneofakind]

The two reds are the stock system. Top line is hp, bottom is torque.

the blues are the area p mid high mount race full system (I think) Top line is hp, bottom line is torque
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[nickjpass]

We should call the new one 'super-gen'. Just saw someone call it that and it seemed awesome haha

[menikmati]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

The two reds are the stock system. Top line is hp, bottom is torque.

the blues are the area p mid high mount race full system (I think) Top line is hp, bottom line is torque
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That's the dyno of the standard full exhaust system, the mid-high mount race system puts out about 31.5HP at peak.

[choneofakind]

Ah. ^^ Thanks
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[lgk]

Originally Posted by menikmati

That's the dyno of the standard full exhaust system, the mid-high mount race system puts out about 31.5HP at peak.

so its putting 32hp to the wheels full exhaust, and the stock intake?

[Somchai]

Here's a dyno for the Leovince Fullsystem with the Leovince FAST-Fuelsystem on the 2008 to 2012 Ninjette

[Pyro]

Originally Posted by menikmati

That's the dyno of the standard full exhaust system, the mid-high mount race system puts out about 31.5HP at peak.

Both blue and red are stcok exhaust?

Then what's the other difference?

[lgk]

Originally Posted by Pyro

Both blue and red are stcok exhaust?

Then what's the other difference?

two aftermarket exhausts vs stock one

[mpobad]

full exhaust or just slip ons ?

[lgk]

Originally Posted by mpobad

full exhaust or just slip ons ?

Two full exhausts, different header and muffler design...

[menikmati]

"Test bike was a 2010 model with 939 miles on the odometer. The three graphs compare the OEM system, Area P Full Standard System, and new Area P Mid-High Mount Race System with 18" Muffler & Turn Down Exit Tip; all on the same test bike. The OEM airbox was removed, K&N Dual Flange Oval Air Filter and Crankcase Breather Element installed, Kleen System removed/plugged, along with *Area P/Dynojet Jet kit installed. The power increase is very strong from 3000 rpm to 12250 rpm. As noted, emphasis was primarily placed on throttle response and power above 8500 rpm to a peak of 12250 rpm. You will notice that at peak power (12250 rpm), the Race System is more than 10.5 hp (+33%) over the OEM exhaust, and 2.4 hp (+ 8%) over the Area P Standard system. Actual throttle response was also dramatically improved. Specific jetting instructions are included with the installation/tuning manual. "

[mpobad]

can anyone provide the exactly K&N Dual Flange Oval Air Filter model number ? want to know because i pretend to buy one for my next 250