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Old February 6th, 2019, 07:02 AM   #1
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Avoiding obstacles

I've been riding some sort of motorcycle for 47 years. I've all ways owned a motorcycle since I was 14 years old. Hard core off road in my early years, not so much now. One thing that helped me in the beginning an older rider told me.

"When you see obstacles such as a large rock in the trail or some kind of debris in the road and you don't want to run over it...Don't look at it".

Look where you want your tire/wheels to go!

For sure on very tight single track where it's a few tire widths wide. For some reason your mind will steer you right into it if you look at the obstacle.
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Old February 6th, 2019, 07:14 AM   #2
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^ known as "target fixation"

Nowadays, I'm much more concerned with the inattentive, sleeping texters
(inaccurately described as drivers) fixating on me!

Roads are filled with 'em, never been this bad ever.

I'm no kid either, street riding since the 70's, already been T-boned once long ago.
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Old February 6th, 2019, 09:07 AM   #3
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Hi, Dave, and welcome to the forum.

Yeah... you go where you look.

There's a flip side to target fixation... if you lift your vision, you gain confidence and things seem to slow down.

For beginners this is about doing the dreaded turn-from-a-stop. Newbies tend to look right in front of the bike and tense up. Experienced riders look up at the corner exit, where they want to wind up.

It's a critically important skill in track riding.

Somewhat related: If you need to avoid a moving object like a vehicle that's pulling out in front of you, focus on where it's just been, not on the vehicle itself. By the time you get there the vehicle won't be.
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Old February 6th, 2019, 01:35 PM   #4
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^ known as "target fixation"

Nowadays, I'm much more concerned with the inattentive, sleeping texters
(inaccurately described as drivers) fixating on me!

Roads are filled with 'em, never been this bad ever.

I'm no kid either, street riding since the 70's, already been T-boned once long ago.
I've noticed that the texting and drive has no age barrier also old to young are all doing it now.
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Old February 6th, 2019, 02:10 PM   #5
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and knows no gender ...genuinely scary out there
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Old February 6th, 2019, 02:25 PM   #6
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Old February 7th, 2019, 03:40 PM   #7
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Good reminders. You go where you look. If you end up staring at the danger it's called target fixation. How would you describe the difference between tunnel vision and target fixation? What triggers them and why?
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Old February 12th, 2019, 10:41 AM   #8
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I am having a great time reading this, as someone who willingly signs up for trials competitions where you purposefully seek out every obstacle.
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Old February 22nd, 2019, 02:54 PM   #9
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Thanks for the short and sweet reminder Dave

Something I do to keep myself sharp when riding is I practise riding around things like drain covers that are in the middle of the road. I do it to sort-of train myself & remind myself what to do if I come across a real obstacle on the road. I only do this when there is no traffic around and I keep the movement smooth and flowy.

I think if you're paying attention during a ride, most of your real obstacle avoidance should be smooth and flowy anyway. If you are having to make a sudden movement, it probably means you've been really unlucky (OMFG A DEER IN FULL SPRINT!), your speed was too high for the conditions, or you weren't paying enough attention.
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Old February 22nd, 2019, 04:15 PM   #10
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I think if you're paying attention during a ride, most of your real obstacle avoidance should be smooth and flowy anyway. If you are having to make a sudden movement, it probably means you've been really unlucky (OMFG A DEER IN FULL SPRINT!), your speed was too high for the conditions, or you weren't paying enough attention.
For the most part, I think I agree with this. Trials competitions aside, a person should be able to anticipate a lot of what shows up on a road. Not everything, not saying that, but a lot. Random things happen but those should be relatively rare.
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I am having a great time reading this, as someone who willingly signs up for trials competitions where you purposefully seek out every obstacle.
While you seek out the obstacle in a trials competition, the bike still goes where you look.

Same skill applied in a different way.
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Old February 28th, 2019, 10:15 AM   #12
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soon us road going Northerners enjoy the usual spring phenomena....potholes. Some giant.

no shortage of obstacles up here!
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nothing better than a good ole game of "dodge the pothole"

Around here, as soon as they patch them, others are formed. Then the patched ones open up again. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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"dodge the pothole"...sounds like something I would post. I did actually ....in another forum. Hmmm...
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That's awesome It's what I started calling it when I moved back up here in 08. I figured it had to be the only reason the speed limits on the highways were so slow. Who would want to be playing dodge the pothole at 70mph? I think I've used it before on here as well. Great minds think alike
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