What the hell! Riders charged in Tomizawa's death

JeffM · September 9th, 2010, 08:11 AM

Moto2 racers Alex de Angelis and Scott Redding are being charged with manslaughter by the Itilian courts for contributing to the death of a racer, according to reports in Italian media.

Here is a translation of the article:

"Today while waiting for autopsy was performed on the body of Shoyo Tomizawa, died on Sunday at Misano Adriatico (Rimini) during the Grand Prix of San Marino in category Moto2. The examination, performed by the expert of the Court, confirmed that the cause of death was crushing the rib cage. In addition, the file concerning the American pilot Scott Redding, who was charged with culpable homicide along with San Marino's Alex de Angelis was submitted by the public prosecutor of Rimini at the Juvenile Court of Bologna, has jurisdiction since the American rider, Brugioni defended by Luke, is a minor."

Yea, like those two had a chance to change the outcome of Shoyo's crash. It is bad enough that Scott and Alex both have to live with the horror of what happeded but now to be charged!!!

Pisses me off.

rceezy · September 9th, 2010, 08:13 AM

What the heck?! If anything it would be the workers! Not the riders?!

austexjg · September 9th, 2010, 08:27 AM

BS....

backinthesaddleagain · September 9th, 2010, 08:33 AM

Incredible

CZroe · September 9th, 2010, 09:02 AM

What happened originally? Link to the crash story?

ChaosFromAbove · September 9th, 2010, 09:16 AM

First off this is bullshit...you race, you know of the ultimate consequences, how can someone be charged of manslaughter if there was no criminal motif? ...not to mention they crashed too

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Originally Posted by CZroe

What happened originally? Link to the crash story?

I was watching the race...basically Tomizama low sided on a tight turn and lost it, Scott and Alex were behind one another and basically ran him over, right on his torso. It's not like it was their fault, they had nowhere else to go. It was either hit him or the bike.

I'll see if i can't find a clip

EDIT: Found the clip:

hrmm..cant seem to embed it...heres a direct link http://ajjugee.blogspot.com/2010/09/...acer-dies.html scroll down a little bit ull see it.

AndyRavag3 · September 9th, 2010, 09:58 AM

...wtf. Surely this is bullshit and wont get to court?

Blackwidow · September 9th, 2010, 09:59 AM

I can see where they would be charged for that on a highway or something...but on the race track? thats BS!!!!

ChaosFromAbove · September 9th, 2010, 10:16 AM

must b an italian thing. Unless his family is requesting they press charges...but still.

Darling Ninja · September 9th, 2010, 10:24 AM

Unbelievable.

So many tragedies this year, it's just so sad.

sombo · September 9th, 2010, 11:44 AM

I challenge those pressing charges to miss a crash dummy falling right in front of them on a bike at that speed and see if they can avoid it. Oh they can't? Guess it ain't manslaughter then. He went down RIGHT in front of them, they could not have avoided him. It's just a tragic accident in a dangerous sport. They didn't cause him to go down, they aim for him, they had the blink of an eye to even realize what happened.

edited: Was pointed out that I accidentally made it look like I might have been calling Tomizawa a dummy for falling, that was not my intent.

JeffM · September 9th, 2010, 11:47 AM

Quote:

to miss a dummy falling right in front of them on a bike at that speed

I'm sure you ment dummy as is crash test dummy.

Yep, they only had the blink of an eye to react.

rceezy · September 9th, 2010, 12:22 PM

I hope the MOTOGP organziation aka Dorna steps up and challenges the courts on behalf of the riders.

RIP to our fallen brother.

sombo · September 9th, 2010, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeffM

I'm sure you ment dummy as is crash test dummy.

Yep, they only had the blink of an eye to react.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. I wouldn't want them to reenact that crash with a live person to try an avoid. Have them reenact that crash with those prosecuting as the riders and a crash dummy of some sort to drop in front of them the way he did and see how well they do.

And I know he wasn't being a dummy by going down. My apologies if that's how it sounded.

Cab305 · September 9th, 2010, 01:20 PM

WTF.... Did they miss the part of the video where these two guys are flipping through the air doing cartwheels, or was that for show?

bob706 · September 9th, 2010, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChaosFromAbove

must b an italian thing.

+1

Sailariel · September 9th, 2010, 02:57 PM

The problem is that every country has its own convoluted legal system---guess that is the reason for international lawyers. Any death in racing is a tragedy. Racers are certainly cognizant about the risks--now, lawyers and bureaucrats who know squat about racing , will judge and assign fault. That makes it a double tragedy.

Alex · September 9th, 2010, 03:21 PM

The charges are almost certain to be dropped, more insight at this link.

JeffM · September 9th, 2010, 03:52 PM

Alex, that is good news. I can only imagine what Alex de Angelis and Scott Redding are going through, let alone, only to have criminal charges brought against them.

TrueFader · September 9th, 2010, 04:12 PM

I'm sure all the riders have waivers of liability in case of death, dismemberment and such so there's no way these charges will stick.

HKr1 · September 9th, 2010, 05:59 PM

Why not charge the doctor that couldnt save him too

Blackwidow · September 9th, 2010, 06:04 PM

+1

00NissanNinja · September 9th, 2010, 06:07 PM

The charges should get dropped, there was almost no way they could avoid hitting him at the speeds they were going. The other racers almost immediately crashed with him.

awesome_r6 · September 9th, 2010, 08:30 PM

If these charges stick I'm getn PAID........every damn thing that happens around me I'm suing for damages. A bird poops on my car....BAM....the department of agriculture, I stub my toe on the couch...Im suing the manufacture, the store that sold it to me and even the inventor of the couch.

Not trying to make light of this situation but this is the dumbest thing I have heard in a LONG time.....I work in a prison...I hear stupid s*** allll the time.

September 9th, 2010, 08:11 AM	#1
JeffM Mr. 988 Name: Jeff Location: Sandy, Utah Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): One Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 1	What the hell! Riders charged in Tomizawa's death Moto2 racers Alex de Angelis and Scott Redding are being charged with manslaughter by the Itilian courts for contributing to the death of a racer, according to reports in Italian media. Here is a translation of the article: "Today while waiting for autopsy was performed on the body of Shoyo Tomizawa, died on Sunday at Misano Adriatico (Rimini) during the Grand Prix of San Marino in category Moto2. The examination, performed by the expert of the Court, confirmed that the cause of death was crushing the rib cage. In addition, the file concerning the American pilot Scott Redding, who was charged with culpable homicide along with San Marino's Alex de Angelis was submitted by the public prosecutor of Rimini at the Juvenile Court of Bologna, has jurisdiction since the American rider, Brugioni defended by Luke, is a minor." Yea, like those two had a chance to change the outcome of Shoyo's crash. It is bad enough that Scott and Alex both have to live with the horror of what happeded but now to be charged!!! Pisses me off. __________________________________________________ "I'm the one that's got to die when it's time for me to die, so let me live my life, the way I want to" - Jimi Hendrix Cancer

September 9th, 2010, 09:59 AM	#8
Blackwidow ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Paulette Location: . Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	I can see where they would be charged for that on a highway or something...but on the race track? thats BS!!!! __________________________________________________ sometimes I aim to please, but mostly I shoot to kill

September 9th, 2010, 10:24 AM	#10
Darling Ninja ninjette.org guru Name: Annette Location: Los Angeles Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2013 Ninja 300 ABS Posts: 270	Unbelievable. So many tragedies this year, it's just so sad. __________________________________________________ "You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck."

September 9th, 2010, 11:44 AM	#11
sombo Newb..... on a steeek! :D Name: Mike Location: Windermere, FL Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Harley Davidson XL883L Sportster Superlow Posts: A lot.	I challenge those pressing charges to miss a crash dummy falling right in front of them on a bike at that speed and see if they can avoid it. Oh they can't? Guess it ain't manslaughter then. He went down RIGHT in front of them, they could not have avoided him. It's just a tragic accident in a dangerous sport. They didn't cause him to go down, they aim for him, they had the blink of an eye to even realize what happened. edited: Was pointed out that I accidentally made it look like I might have been calling Tomizawa a dummy for falling, that was not my intent. Last futzed with by sombo; September 9th, 2010 at 01:14 PM.

September 9th, 2010, 03:21 PM	#18
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September 9th, 2010, 08:13 AM	#2
rceezy Lean Me Name: RC Location: America Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 Posts: 678 Blog Entries: 4	What the heck?! If anything it would be the workers! Not the riders?!

September 9th, 2010, 08:27 AM	#3
austexjg ninjette.org sage Name: J.G. Location: Austin Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 zx6r Green/Black, (ex-)Diablo Black '09 Ninja 250r Posts: 959	BS....

September 9th, 2010, 08:33 AM	#4
backinthesaddleagain ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Greg Location: Rhode Island Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 ZX6R 636 Posts: A lot.	Incredible

September 9th, 2010, 09:02 AM	#5
CZroe CPT Falcon Name: J.Emmett Turner Location: Newnan, GA Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): '08 CP Blue EX250J, '97 unpainted EX250F, 2nd '97 unpainted EX250F (no engine), '07 black EX250F Posts: A lot.	What happened originally? Link to the crash story?

September 9th, 2010, 09:58 AM	#7
AndyRavag3 ninjette.org member Name: Andrew Location: Aberdeen Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): None yet - Hopefully a ninjette when I get my licence :D Posts: 33	...wtf. Surely this is bullshit and wont get to court?

September 9th, 2010, 10:16 AM	#9
ChaosFromAbove Money is a drug. Name: Chaos Location: South Jersey Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2011 ZX-6r, 2010 250r (RIP) Posts: 251	must b an italian thing. Unless his family is requesting they press charges...but still.

September 9th, 2010, 12:22 PM	#13
rceezy Lean Me Name: RC Location: America Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 Posts: 678 Blog Entries: 4	I hope the MOTOGP organziation aka Dorna steps up and challenges the courts on behalf of the riders. RIP to our fallen brother.

September 9th, 2010, 01:20 PM	#15
Cab305 ninjette.org sage Name: Cab Location: Miami Beach Join Date: Mar 2010 Motorcycle(s): Blue 10 250r Posts: 697	WTF.... Did they miss the part of the video where these two guys are flipping through the air doing cartwheels, or was that for show?

September 9th, 2010, 02:57 PM	#17
Sailariel ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Alex Location: Belfast, ME Join Date: Jul 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Honda NT-700-V, formerly, Green 2008 Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	The problem is that every country has its own convoluted legal system---guess that is the reason for international lawyers. Any death in racing is a tragedy. Racers are certainly cognizant about the risks--now, lawyers and bureaucrats who know squat about racing , will judge and assign fault. That makes it a double tragedy.

September 9th, 2010, 03:52 PM	#19
JeffM Mr. 988 Name: Jeff Location: Sandy, Utah Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): One Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 1	Alex, that is good news. I can only imagine what Alex de Angelis and Scott Redding are going through, let alone, only to have criminal charges brought against them. __________________________________________________ "I'm the one that's got to die when it's time for me to die, so let me live my life, the way I want to" - Jimi Hendrix Cancer

September 9th, 2010, 04:12 PM	#20
TrueFader ninjette.org member Name: Chris Location: California Join Date: Apr 2010 Motorcycle(s): '08 250 Posts: 129	I'm sure all the riders have waivers of liability in case of death, dismemberment and such so there's no way these charges will stick.

September 9th, 2010, 05:59 PM	#21
HKr1 IC2(SW) Name: Kerry Location: Pensacola Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: A lot.	Why not charge the doctor that couldnt save him too

September 9th, 2010, 06:04 PM	#22
Blackwidow ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Paulette Location: . Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	+1 __________________________________________________ sometimes I aim to please, but mostly I shoot to kill

September 9th, 2010, 06:07 PM	#23
00NissanNinja I hate driving... Name: S Location: SW Ohio Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 13 Triumph Street Triple R, 09 Ninja 250r (Sold 4/20/12) Posts: A lot.	The charges should get dropped, there was almost no way they could avoid hitting him at the speeds they were going. The other racers almost immediately crashed with him. __________________________________________________ 09 ninja 2fiddy SE Driving slow things fast

September 9th, 2010, 08:30 PM	#24
awesome_r6 ninjette.org member Name: Craig Location: jackson Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 R6 Posts: 34	If these charges stick I'm getn PAID........every damn thing that happens around me I'm suing for damages. A bird poops on my car....BAM....the department of agriculture, I stub my toe on the couch...Im suing the manufacture, the store that sold it to me and even the inventor of the couch. Not trying to make light of this situation but this is the dumbest thing I have heard in a LONG time.....I work in a prison...I hear stupid s*** allll the time.

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