July 2nd, 2013, 06:43 PM | #1 |
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Interesting fuse problem
I've got an interesting fuse problem that I can't figure out. I've been through 5 10a fuses in two days, where at first the fuse would work but after a mile down the road it blows. To fix this I electrical taped all the open wires under seat, but now I have a weird problem: If I turn the bike on but not the engine and hit the signal switch, the fuse blows instantly. But If I turn the bike on AND the engine then hit the signal switch the fuse works but only for one side (if I change to the other side it blows). I'm stumped.
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July 2nd, 2013, 06:47 PM | #2 |
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Your bikes totaled, just go buy another one
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July 2nd, 2013, 06:52 PM | #3 |
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July 2nd, 2013, 06:59 PM | #4 |
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forget about it go buy a R6!
as with all electrical problems you are going to have to investigate. it might be as simple as 1 wire has the insulation rubbed off and the bare wire is hitting metal somewhere. good luck electrical probs suck |
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July 2nd, 2013, 07:07 PM | #5 |
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If I get a 600 it will be a blue 06 ZX6R them thangs are beautiful.
Well is there any specific area where shorts are more frequent? I was surprised the first time I took the seat off to install a new relay how many wires weren't protected. |
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July 2nd, 2013, 07:16 PM | #6 |
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buy a 50a fuse!
if it blows with ignition on (shouldn't matter if engine's running) then it's a short before the switch (the one you use to indicate signal), could either be between power to turn relay or from turn relay to switch. if it only happens when you signal, then it appears it would be from green which controls the left signal or gray which controls the right. looks like black/yellow is ground. |
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July 2nd, 2013, 07:26 PM | #7 | |
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July 2nd, 2013, 07:37 PM | #8 | |
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July 3rd, 2013, 11:14 AM | #9 |
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So a larger fuse would fix my problem? 15a maybe? I wanna make sure before I accidentally set my baby on fire.
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July 3rd, 2013, 12:50 PM | #10 |
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July 5th, 2013, 07:19 AM | #11 |
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instead of poping the fuse you will melt the harness.. maybe. with a dead short any fuse size should pop though. bigger fuse is not a solution. check the harness where the signals are back into the harness.
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July 5th, 2013, 02:06 PM | #12 |
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Problem Solved
So after being so frustrated at my bike that I had called it every name in the book I took a seat next to it and found that the ground wire was sticking out *just* enough to touch the metal that it was grounded to. Too bad I found out AFTER blowing 7 fuses through trial and error.
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July 5th, 2013, 03:18 PM | #13 |
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7 fuses is better than setting your bike on fire and possibly house if it was parked in the garage!!!
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July 5th, 2013, 04:27 PM | #14 |
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A bit late, but if you're going to investigate an electrical issue getting hold of a mini circuit breaker can save you using a **** load of fuses
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July 5th, 2013, 07:08 PM | #15 |
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if its a ground it shouldnt matter that a strand is touching the frame.
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July 7th, 2013, 02:29 PM | #16 |
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Well I tapped it up anyway just to be sure and the fuse hasn't blown yet, but still every time I hit the signal switch my heart stops in anticipation.
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July 10th, 2013, 02:27 PM | #17 |
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GOD. DAMMIT. IT BLEW AGAIN AND THEY KEEP BLOWING WHEN I HIT THE SWITCH. I've evaluated and covered EVERY wire under the seat and behind the fairings. I give up. It's going to the shop, even though I never wanted it to come to this.
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July 10th, 2013, 03:03 PM | #18 |
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Just hardwire it without a fuse and wait for the problem to start smoking then bam you fix whatever's on fire
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July 10th, 2013, 03:29 PM | #19 |
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That sucks man, electrical problems are really tough to fix. Many times you need to test and eliminate each part of the circuit one by one, including the switch and light fixtures.
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July 10th, 2013, 03:45 PM | #20 |
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Since the fuse seems to repeatably burn out when the engine is off + turn signal, in the hands of an experienced person, it shouldn't take long to pin-point.
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July 10th, 2013, 04:49 PM | #21 |
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what is your battery voltage at?
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July 10th, 2013, 06:03 PM | #22 |
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lol at rojo, and I'm not sure what my battery voltage is. The previous owner didn't touch the bike customization wise, so I guess it's whatever voltage stock is supposed to be. I'm gonna give it three days and if I can't accidentally fix it by then then I'm letting the professionals have at it.
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July 10th, 2013, 06:14 PM | #23 |
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Sounds like it is somewhere between the switch (if not the switch itself) and the turn signals.
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July 11th, 2013, 03:42 PM | #24 |
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Fixed it...again...I think.
In one last attempt at solving this issue I tore all fairings off and UN-tapped every wire that I did my myself so that I could re-tape them. What I found was that the two turn signal wires (green one and yellow/black one) were touching each other UNDER the tape. After I fixed those I checked all the other turn signal wires to make sure they weren't getting jiggy with each other. Turned my baby on and she works once again.
Too bad I can't go for a celebration ride though, it's thundering here in Fleming Island. |
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July 11th, 2013, 04:40 PM | #25 |
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Excellent, good to hear. Rechecking can sometimes pay off. Bugger the weather, go for a ride anyway.
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July 11th, 2013, 10:22 PM | #26 |
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Great job!!! +5 DIY
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July 17th, 2013, 07:46 AM | #27 |
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Glad you figured it out..... might want to take a note and stopp electrical taping the wiring harness on the bike.... get some shrink wrap and a bic.... or even invest in a crimper and some male female ends....
electrical tape electrical modds are often bad buisness! unreliable in the wet weather and prone to shorts. get some dielectric grease too and lub up every connection you decide to mess with.. |
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