Bicycling and Motorcycling

nickjpass · October 10th, 2011, 02:01 PM

What exactly can you learn on a bicycle that can later be used on a motorcycle? I guess balance, and the concept of counter-steering...anything else?

alex.s · October 10th, 2011, 02:18 PM

the balance part is close to useless when you deal with something that weighs 500lbs. leg strength is good... knowing how not to get hit by cars... knowing the value of gear... knowing how to pack a back pack / what you can carry with you on a bike... patience...

massacremasses · October 10th, 2011, 02:30 PM

balance is all I carried over... and still its way different...

ally99 · October 10th, 2011, 03:36 PM

Popping wheelies!!!

Ok, just kidding.

In all seriousness, you can play with U-turns on a bicycle and practice looking ALL THE WAY through. Hit up some mountain bike trails and you'll be able to practice cornering. Although it's different, there are many similarities such as staying loose on the bars, looking all the way through the turn, flicking the bike in esses, etc.

kaiserz · October 10th, 2011, 03:40 PM

U turns...

kaiserz · October 10th, 2011, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ally99

Popping wheelies!!!

Ok, just kidding.

In all seriousness, you can play with U-turns on a bicycle and practice looking ALL THE WAY through. Hit up some mountain bike trails and you'll be able to practice cornering. Although it's different, there are many similarities such as staying loose on the bars, looking all the way through the turn, flicking the bike in esses, etc.

what she said

nickjpass · October 10th, 2011, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ally99

Popping wheelies!!!

Ok, just kidding.

In all seriousness, you can play with U-turns on a bicycle and practice looking ALL THE WAY through. Hit up some mountain bike trails and you'll be able to practice cornering. Although it's different, there are many similarities such as staying loose on the bars, looking all the way through the turn, flicking the bike in esses, etc.

I can do that, and do it every day haha.

ally99 · October 10th, 2011, 04:04 PM

Um, ok, then you're an expert I guess. Congrats. Now to just get a bike.

Indy250r · October 10th, 2011, 04:06 PM

How to avoid idiotic behavior committed by people in cars.

Braking technique in limited traction conditions.

nickjpass · October 10th, 2011, 04:06 PM

I'm not an expert, but I practice. I'm a master at u-turns and counter weighing the bike.

rusninja · October 10th, 2011, 04:16 PM

How can busting a uturn on a 20 lb bike help on a 400lb bike.

massacremasses · October 10th, 2011, 04:18 PM

put 200 lbs. worth of weights on it then ride it and balance it.

bhalv · October 10th, 2011, 04:18 PM

being able to do a track stand at a stop light.

KawiKid860 · October 10th, 2011, 04:45 PM

I agree with the bike u-turns not helping a whole lot with a motorcycle... 40ish lbs vs 400lbs with a way wider body and wider wheels and power being applied to the rear wheel... huge difference. In all honestly U-turns aren't all that hard :P

ally99 · October 10th, 2011, 04:53 PM

Mostly it's the "looking all the way through" that's easier to master on a lightweight bicycle than a gigantic motorcycle...it was for me, anyway.

nickjpass · October 10th, 2011, 06:48 PM

You can still learn the basics of u-turning on a bicycle. For example, lean to far and if you don't have enough counter-weight, low side. Don't apply throttle at right time? Low side.

alex.s · October 10th, 2011, 06:52 PM

i think adding weight to your bike is a great idea to let you get a feel for heavier bikes

nickjpass · October 10th, 2011, 06:54 PM

I've added 150 pounds to the back of the bike. Wasn't very evenly distributed. That's what happens when you put your older brother on the frame

massacremasses · October 10th, 2011, 09:23 PM

have you actually rode a Ninja 250 yet?

Zan_ · October 11th, 2011, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhalv

being able to do a track stand at a stop light.

HAHAHA dude i've tried this. xD

nickjpass · October 11th, 2011, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by massacremasses

have you actually rode a Ninja 250 yet?

No, I've come close.

massacremasses · October 11th, 2011, 01:26 PM

Im not sure what that means?

nickjpass · October 11th, 2011, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by massacremasses

Im not sure what that means?

I almost got a chance to ride one from someone I met that had a pre-gen.

massacremasses · October 11th, 2011, 01:47 PM

lol ohh alright.

The whole coming close kinda threw me off...

nickjpass · October 11th, 2011, 01:48 PM

I see, I see. I'll ask the guy down the street if I can take his for a spin haha.

massacremasses · October 11th, 2011, 02:20 PM

dont wreck it.

I wouldnt ride anyones until I had my own...

nickjpass · October 11th, 2011, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by massacremasses

dont wreck it.

I wouldnt ride anyones until I had my own...

It was a joke haha I told him "nice 250" just ten minutes ago. He looked surprised. His dog kept mauling him.

"A" · October 11th, 2011, 04:19 PM

IMO, balancing and maneuvering skills are secondary to exposure.

I pedalled over 10k miles before I got my first car, nearly 20k mi. before my first motorcycle.

Since 1999, I've ridden well over 100k mi. on different motorcycles. I attribute my accident free motorcycling since 2003 to my bicycling ability.

Riding a bicycle on public roads exposes you to stupidity of drivers and situations that require reflex reaction that could be opposite of common conception.

I remember riding a bicycle to school and everywhere else I needed to go, nowaday, kids can't even walk few blocks to catch a school bus, how well our society have progressed.

choneofakind · October 11th, 2011, 04:49 PM

Mountain biking teaches how to deal with uneven/loose surfaces. Ride some slow technical stuff on a mountain bike, and suddenly your motorcycle control in a parking lot will be that much better.

Over all, the physics of a bicycle are identical to those of a motorcycle. Only difference is that a bicycle is much more easily affected by body english due to the fact that it weighs so much less. If you can get good on a bicycle, it will help the motorcycling.

choneofakind · October 11th, 2011, 04:50 PM

Also, road biking allows you to realize how stupid drivers really can be.

nickjpass · October 11th, 2011, 06:19 PM

I've learn a lot you all have just said. For example, riding on gravel/dirt, when I go into a very low lean I know when to put my foot out to stop from low siding.

I can even brake while turning my front wheel to left or right and lock it, sliding it over gravel, coming to a stop. I will never do any of this on a ninjette

rusninja · October 11th, 2011, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nickjpass

I've learn a lot you all have just said. For example, riding on gravel/dirt, when I go into a very low lean I know when to put my foot out to stop from low siding.

I can even brake while turning my front wheel to left or right and lock it, sliding it over gravel, coming to a stop. I will never do any of this on a ninjette

wow you really fantasize hahaha

nickjpass · October 11th, 2011, 06:57 PM

Well I did all that, but yeah, I'm a thinker.

rusninja · October 11th, 2011, 08:14 PM

I know you did all that but you lean far and almost lowside and do stuff like a motorcycle. Do you pretend like your on a motorcycle when riding a bike. Have fun keep it up. X]

choneofakind · October 11th, 2011, 08:23 PM

every one knows that the can sounds terrible!! put the playing cards in your spokes!! sounds like a big 'ol 1000cc I4!!

rusninja · October 11th, 2011, 08:37 PM

Maybe he likes the sound of harleys :P?

Jono · October 11th, 2011, 08:55 PM

Well I am mountain biker and you can learn many things that transfer. Most have already been mentioned. But one thing that transfers and hasn't been mentioned yet is, Crashing is going to hurt! I haven't gone down on my motorcycle yet so I don't know how it will compare to crashing on a mountain bike(I have done that multiple times) but I imagine it is gonna be worse.

thisisbenji · October 11th, 2011, 09:06 PM

Number one thing I'v learned from bicycling, crashing at 30+ in a skin suit hurts. Wear your gear!

rusninja · October 11th, 2011, 09:20 PM

Out of the years i rode bicycles i dont think i have ever fallen and hurt myself had close calls and bailed while tryed to do tricks never really let go of the bike. So i hope when i get a motorcycle i dont have to experience my first fall when i get a motorcycle. :P

nickjpass · October 12th, 2011, 01:18 PM

Get off my thread rusninja.

October 10th, 2011, 02:01 PM	#1
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	Bicycling and Motorcycling What exactly can you learn on a bicycle that can later be used on a motorcycle? I guess balance, and the concept of counter-steering...anything else? __________________________________________________

October 10th, 2011, 02:18 PM	#2
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	the balance part is close to useless when you deal with something that weighs 500lbs. leg strength is good... knowing how not to get hit by cars... knowing the value of gear... knowing how to pack a back pack / what you can carry with you on a bike... patience... __________________________________________________

October 10th, 2011, 02:30 PM	#3
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	balance is all I carried over... and still its way different... __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

October 10th, 2011, 03:36 PM	#4
ally99 Ninja chick Name: Allyson Location: Athens, GA Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 4 MOTM - Dec '13, Feb '15	Popping wheelies!!! Ok, just kidding. In all seriousness, you can play with U-turns on a bicycle and practice looking ALL THE WAY through. Hit up some mountain bike trails and you'll be able to practice cornering. Although it's different, there are many similarities such as staying loose on the bars, looking all the way through the turn, flicking the bike in esses, etc. __________________________________________________ Sometimes it's the journey that teaches you a lot about your destination. ~Drake Check out my Appalachian Trail journal, 2015! Postwhores are COOL! ~Allyson

October 10th, 2011, 04:04 PM	#8
ally99 Ninja chick Name: Allyson Location: Athens, GA Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 4 MOTM - Dec '13, Feb '15	Um, ok, then you're an expert I guess. Congrats. Now to just get a bike. __________________________________________________ Sometimes it's the journey that teaches you a lot about your destination. ~Drake Check out my Appalachian Trail journal, 2015! Postwhores are COOL! ~Allyson

October 10th, 2011, 03:40 PM	#5
kaiserz There's a limit to s2pdty Name: A.D. Location: NoVa the burg Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250r ninja (sold) Posts: A lot.	U turns...

October 10th, 2011, 04:06 PM	#9
Indy250r ninjette.org member Name: Brad Location: Indiana Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2011 KTM 990 ADV Posts: 234	How to avoid idiotic behavior committed by people in cars. Braking technique in limited traction conditions.

October 10th, 2011, 04:16 PM	#11
rusninja Ninjette wanabe :D Name: Ruslan Location: San Jose Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): white 300 :D Posts: A lot.	How can busting a uturn on a 20 lb bike help on a 400lb bike. __________________________________________________ VROOOM vrooom >.>

October 10th, 2011, 04:18 PM	#12
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	put 200 lbs. worth of weights on it then ride it and balance it. __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

October 10th, 2011, 04:18 PM	#13
bhalv ninjette.org member Name: brent Location: NOVA/ LYNCHBURG Join Date: Oct 2010 Motorcycle(s): 93 ninja 250 Posts: 111	being able to do a track stand at a stop light.

October 10th, 2011, 04:45 PM	#14
KawiKid860 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Murphey Location: Eastern Washington Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2002 Honda 919, 2004 Ninja 500R NAKED Posts: A lot.	I agree with the bike u-turns not helping a whole lot with a motorcycle... 40ish lbs vs 400lbs with a way wider body and wider wheels and power being applied to the rear wheel... huge difference. In all honestly U-turns aren't all that hard :P

October 10th, 2011, 04:53 PM	#15
ally99 Ninja chick Name: Allyson Location: Athens, GA Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 4 MOTM - Dec '13, Feb '15	Mostly it's the "looking all the way through" that's easier to master on a lightweight bicycle than a gigantic motorcycle...it was for me, anyway. __________________________________________________ Sometimes it's the journey that teaches you a lot about your destination. ~Drake Check out my Appalachian Trail journal, 2015! Postwhores are COOL! ~Allyson

October 10th, 2011, 06:48 PM	#16
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	You can still learn the basics of u-turning on a bicycle. For example, lean to far and if you don't have enough counter-weight, low side. Don't apply throttle at right time? Low side. __________________________________________________

October 10th, 2011, 06:52 PM	#17
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	i think adding weight to your bike is a great idea to let you get a feel for heavier bikes __________________________________________________

October 10th, 2011, 06:54 PM	#18
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	I've added 150 pounds to the back of the bike. Wasn't very evenly distributed. That's what happens when you put your older brother on the frame __________________________________________________

October 10th, 2011, 09:23 PM	#19
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	have you actually rode a Ninja 250 yet? __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

October 11th, 2011, 01:26 PM	#22
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	Im not sure what that means? __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

October 11th, 2011, 01:47 PM	#24
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	lol ohh alright. The whole coming close kinda threw me off... __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

October 11th, 2011, 01:48 PM	#25
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	I see, I see. I'll ask the guy down the street if I can take his for a spin haha. __________________________________________________

October 11th, 2011, 02:20 PM	#26
massacremasses Avid Kitteh Poster Name: Justin Location: Norcal Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Yamaha TTR 50 SUCK IT Posts: A lot.	dont wreck it. I wouldnt ride anyones until I had my own... __________________________________________________ I powdercoat stuff Help me pay for my addiction I say funny stuff. http://twitter.com/JustinPWNSyou sometimes... I write like a 12 year old too, http://justinpwnsyou.wordpress.com/

October 11th, 2011, 04:19 PM	#28
"A" vampire Name: A Location: IT Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2 many 2 list Posts: A lot.	IMO, balancing and maneuvering skills are secondary to exposure. I pedalled over 10k miles before I got my first car, nearly 20k mi. before my first motorcycle. Since 1999, I've ridden well over 100k mi. on different motorcycles. I attribute my accident free motorcycling since 2003 to my bicycling ability. Riding a bicycle on public roads exposes you to stupidity of drivers and situations that require reflex reaction that could be opposite of common conception. I remember riding a bicycle to school and everywhere else I needed to go, nowaday, kids can't even walk few blocks to catch a school bus, how well our society have progressed.

October 11th, 2011, 04:49 PM	#29
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Mountain biking teaches how to deal with uneven/loose surfaces. Ride some slow technical stuff on a mountain bike, and suddenly your motorcycle control in a parking lot will be that much better. Over all, the physics of a bicycle are identical to those of a motorcycle. Only difference is that a bicycle is much more easily affected by body english due to the fact that it weighs so much less. If you can get good on a bicycle, it will help the motorcycling.

October 11th, 2011, 04:50 PM	#30
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Also, road biking allows you to realize how stupid drivers really can be.

October 11th, 2011, 06:19 PM	#31
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	I've learn a lot you all have just said. For example, riding on gravel/dirt, when I go into a very low lean I know when to put my foot out to stop from low siding. I can even brake while turning my front wheel to left or right and lock it, sliding it over gravel, coming to a stop. I will never do any of this on a ninjette __________________________________________________

October 11th, 2011, 06:57 PM	#33
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	Well I did all that, but yeah, I'm a thinker. __________________________________________________

October 11th, 2011, 08:14 PM	#34
rusninja Ninjette wanabe :D Name: Ruslan Location: San Jose Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): white 300 :D Posts: A lot.	I know you did all that but you lean far and almost lowside and do stuff like a motorcycle. Do you pretend like your on a motorcycle when riding a bike. Have fun keep it up. X] __________________________________________________ VROOOM vrooom >.> Last futzed with by rusninja; October 12th, 2011 at 06:35 PM.

October 11th, 2011, 08:23 PM	#35
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	every one knows that the can sounds terrible!! put the playing cards in your spokes!! sounds like a big 'ol 1000cc I4!!

October 11th, 2011, 08:37 PM	#36
rusninja Ninjette wanabe :D Name: Ruslan Location: San Jose Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): white 300 :D Posts: A lot.	Maybe he likes the sound of harleys :P? __________________________________________________ VROOOM vrooom >.>

October 11th, 2011, 08:55 PM	#37
Jono ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jono Location: Memphis, TN Join Date: Sep 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Triumph Street Triple, 2009 KLX250SF, 2003 Suzuki SV650S (Sold), 2006 Ninja 250 (Sold) Posts: A lot.	Well I am mountain biker and you can learn many things that transfer. Most have already been mentioned. But one thing that transfers and hasn't been mentioned yet is, Crashing is going to hurt! I haven't gone down on my motorcycle yet so I don't know how it will compare to crashing on a mountain bike(I have done that multiple times) but I imagine it is gonna be worse.

October 11th, 2011, 09:06 PM	#38
thisisbenji ninjette.org sage Name: Benji Location: Wadsworth, IL Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r (Sold), 2009 FZ6, 2015 Honda Grom Posts: 898	Number one thing I'v learned from bicycling, crashing at 30+ in a skin suit hurts. Wear your gear!

October 11th, 2011, 09:20 PM	#39
rusninja Ninjette wanabe :D Name: Ruslan Location: San Jose Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): white 300 :D Posts: A lot.	Out of the years i rode bicycles i dont think i have ever fallen and hurt myself had close calls and bailed while tryed to do tricks never really let go of the bike. So i hope when i get a motorcycle i dont have to experience my first fall when i get a motorcycle. :P __________________________________________________ VROOOM vrooom >.>

October 12th, 2011, 01:18 PM	#40
nickjpass #squid Name: nickypoo Location: Five Guys Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): Track dedicated 2008 ZX6R Posts: A lot. MOTM - Jul '16	Get off my thread rusninja. __________________________________________________

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