December 2nd, 2010, 09:35 AM | #1 |
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Okay, now they've got my attention... Brammo
Just caught the pricing on the new Brammo Empulse.
This is to my eye a very good-looking streetfighter with adequate power for a commuter bike (40 kw = 53 hp, claimed 100 mph top speed and of course the awesome torque that only an electric motor can provide). The range, too, is enough for my commuting needs. Low end model is 60 miles, top end model is 100 miles. Three models are available... 60, 80 and 100. Pricing starts at 9995 and tops out at 14k before incentives. Currently the feds offer 10 percent off the purchase price for electric bikes, and my state (CT) is considering waiving sales tax which would take off another 6 percent. Still a lot more than a gasoline bike, but now it's at least in the same county if not the same ball park. It's starting to get my attention. Rather than trading up for the next bike I can see getting one of these to ride to work and keeping the Ninjette for fun on the weekends. Part of the deficit reduction package is a proposed major hike in the gasoline tax.... |
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December 2nd, 2010, 09:50 AM | #2 |
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Looks cool. Any specs on it? Charge time? How much the battery costs to replace and how long it might last? I know in hybrid cars, batteries can cost up to 5k to replace. I wonder many cycles (no pun intended) the battery can handle before it powers down.
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December 2nd, 2010, 09:54 AM | #3 |
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thats pretty interesting, though i still like the look of my ninjette...i guess i'm spoiled...nothing is prettier then her.
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December 2nd, 2010, 11:21 AM | #5 |
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FWIW, there are a lot of gasoline bikes selling for more than 14k...
If I had the income to purchase any kind of vehicle in the 14k range, car or bike, I'd buy the top of the line Brammo without hesitation. |
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December 2nd, 2010, 11:38 AM | #6 |
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Looks real nice. Cost to much. Wrap it in some nice looking plastic and price it at 6 grand and I would be interested.
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December 2nd, 2010, 01:29 PM | #7 |
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Great looking bike. I'm sure the price will come down in time.
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December 2nd, 2010, 01:29 PM | #8 |
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As with most bikes, a test ride is going to be the deciding factor. I think $10K is a bit much. Knock all the prices by $2K, and I think we're talking realistic...
I mean, 8K for a 500 is a bit much, but not having to pay for oil changes/gas, etc would be enough to make me think on it.... But $10K is a bit much, not to mention the $14K...
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December 2nd, 2010, 01:52 PM | #9 | |
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December 2nd, 2010, 02:24 PM | #10 |
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I'm diggin the Brammo bikes as well. I followed Shocking Barack where they rode their Enertia (version 1) from Detroit to Washington DC. They now have a Version 2 of that commuter called the Enertia Plus that goes apx 80 miles and is much cheaper than the Empulse for a commuter. I agree the prices are high for this new technology but I hope it continues to develope and prices lower over time.
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December 2nd, 2010, 03:04 PM | #11 |
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prices will be dictated primarily by supply and demand. If they have no market competition, then their prices will stay that way until it catches on to become more mainstream. Maybe in a couple years there will be more companies like Brammo and Tesla. I would love to see Tesla make a motorcycle.
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December 2nd, 2010, 06:09 PM | #12 |
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It seems like we will all be using electric vehicles in the future. In the future us old folks will probably have to operate our dino fuel vehicles in secret. lol
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December 2nd, 2010, 06:26 PM | #13 |
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Frugal, very true! I have no doubts that there will be enough folks purchasing these bikes at those elevated prices making the technology cheaper for the rest of us. Quite frankly, I can't wait until that happens.
I've been following Brammo, Zero, MotoCyzc (SP?), Mission, Quanta, the one that starts with an "A" - the one that won the TTGXP, etc since the begging. Whatever I can get my hands on... Electric is massively exciting. I remember when I first heard of the Mission One - the pre-order price was $100K in mid-2009. I think it's less now. But this Brammo Empulse, just a few K cheaper and I'm in! I think CThunder-Blue nailed it. Supply and demand. How many miles do you have to drive a ninja500 to make up the difference between it's price and the Empulse? I use the 500 because that's the same amount of power as the Empulse.... And irrespective of how irrelevant the comparison might be, it's what people will use as the base-line factor, I think. Somebody posted just such a calculator "How many miles till it's worth it", and for me, I think it ended up being close to 40,000 miles. Alright, fine, after 2.5 years I'll start seeing cost savings, but I don't know what the batteries would look like after 40,000 miles worth of cycling...
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December 2nd, 2010, 06:28 PM | #14 |
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Looks very good. I've been waiting for an electric bike that I could use to commute the grueling 3.5 miles to work and back.
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December 2nd, 2010, 09:58 PM | #15 |
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Do you have any idea what this bike will be worth in 30 years? $10K will seem like an amazing bargain
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December 2nd, 2010, 10:26 PM | #16 |
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Is that due to inflation or what? Im not seeing it as a good investment. Now if the bike is a quality machine and the company is run correctly, stock in the company (if publicly traded) MIGHT be worth something down the road. Depends on what happens with the Global warming lobby and the price of a kilowatt hour of electricity in my opinion.
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December 2nd, 2010, 10:33 PM | #17 | |
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Out on the left coast, isnt power in short supply already?? Wonder what your rates will be in a couple years. You think nuke plants just pop up out of the ground for free?? WAIT we cant have them either.
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December 2nd, 2010, 11:48 PM | #18 |
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"President Obama's announcement Tuesday of loan guarantees for nuclear power plants may encourage new construction"
Who says we can't have power plants, the current administration is for it.... Don't believe everything Fox tells you. Here's the link see for yourself. U.S. President announces $8.3 billion US in loan guarantees to build 2 plants in Georgia http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/0...lear-loan.html I'll consider one for sure, cause Im'a a pinko commi nature loving elitist liberal. |
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December 3rd, 2010, 07:47 AM | #19 | |
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The problem isnt the federal funding here in Illinois (obamas home state) Its everything else. No one wants to have it in there back yard. (3 mile island) Then, where are we to store the waste? Who is going to pay what the federal government isnt? etc etc. It takes almost 3 years to get everything in order to build wind turbines here in Illinois. Thats Clean energy with no real side effects and it takes 3 years. (Unless you listen to the envirowackoos and they may disrupt flight patters of migrating birds....YEAH RIGHT) I say build them NOW. Republicans or in my case conservatives arent in the way. Its the liberal machine here in Illinois thats holding everything up. Maybe you should turn off NPR and MSNBC and think for yourself a little. Who really wants dirty air and water?? I mean seriously. Id love to have reliable nuke power here in Illinois. This state is run by liberals lock stock and barrel and we cant get it done here because of the Global warming lobby and the government machine. THINK a little. If we could get the state and federal government along with the beauracrats out of the way it might get done quickly. Cab can you tell me how many nuke plants have been built since the three mile island incident?? How about gasoline refinereys in the past 20 years?? Its not like we dont need the product they produce. Its the Machine thats in the way. Not the public, liberal of republican.
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Blah Blah Blah, yadda yadda yadda. I was just saying what I think would make it worth while..
Now, add a wind-turbine to my roof top, and some solar panels, and I can start selling power back to the company. In fact, the more people generate at least some electricity at home, the more feasible electric vehicles become. http://www.coseia.org/newsite/home.html http://www.coloradco.com/ http://www.dalyrenewables.com/ Heck, just look here: http://energy.sourceguides.com/busin...N/byName.shtml Definitely a viable option where I live... I don't mean to be confrontational here. I believe that one can have cake, and eat it to, with enough commitment and forethought. This is how I see it as a possibility.... Affordable electric bike, at least 50% annual consumption of electricity "home grown", and food from the local natural grocer (ie - stuff coming from our local farms). Sounds like a pretty awesome life to me.... Quote:
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December 3rd, 2010, 10:57 AM | #21 |
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That bike looks sweet! That would be a great commuter bike!
However, I would rather wait until electric cars and motorcycles are more prevalent before buying though cuz repair costs are gonna suck right now, plus the technology is still not perfected yet. |
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As to the comments on nuclear power, the simple fact is that we import a majority of our nuclear fuel from Russia in the form of decommissioned/reprocessed weapons and sub/navy power plant fuel. Russia is not our friend. Putin is a tin-pot dictator in sheep's clothing. We do not have, and cannot have in the foreseeable future, enough nuclear fuel production in-country to supply our existing reactors, let alone any new ones being planned or built. And that doesn't even address the waste issues, the biggest of which to me is the fact that every year we produce tons, literally tons, of what is a terrorist's wet dream. Determined people will eventually get what they want, no matter what. One very appealing option is thorium reactor technology. Safe, less messy, we're self-sufficient in it, and it's been around since the 1940's. http://energyfromthorium.com/ http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/12/ff_new_nukes/ Personally, I feel that any energy policy that does not focus on eliminating our dependence on foreign nations (friendly or otherwise, now or in the future) is a complete waste of taxpayer dollars, and bodes ill for the long term survival of this nation. There is nothing inherent about America that guarantees it will survive the near, mid, or long term future. Even the Roman Empire, which spanned a significant portion of this globe for thousands of years eventually failed. And so can we. |
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December 3rd, 2010, 12:26 PM | #23 |
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I want one for track, take out all the batteries except for 1 or 2, just enough to go 15-20 laps. You can make it 25% lighter and get that top end up there.
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I wasnt trying to be confrontational. I was trying to help a little with your calculations. I tried to add it up for myself for this product and the volt. I ran into a wall with my math because I cant calculate the price of energy here in Illinois 2, 3, 4, and 5 years down the road. As far as personal wind turbines. I WISH, but zoning denied my permit for a 60 foot tower when I was building my latest house. (bastards) Solar pannels just arent efficent enough for me yet, or I would have added them into the design of my house. Best I could find at the time was 18% efficent and my calculations came up with 30% to make it worth it. As far as selling the power back to the electric company they charge 11 cents a kilowatt hour and pay 1 penny per here in Illinois. Your state might be different but not here in Illinois.
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Sorry you dont like my avitar but unless your obama I wonder why it offends you? I wasnt offended when Bush was called Hitler. They werent talking about me, what do I care. It was there right to call him whatever they want just as its my right to call obama whtever I please. Welcome to America and the first amendment. If your lucky your little jab about being offended will promt Alex to ask me to change it. That was your intent right?
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Id love to try that exact set-up at the track if it could be quick charged full in 45 min for the next session.
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December 3rd, 2010, 06:49 PM | #27 |
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It's a shame that this feature is put into these boards, but it's here for a reason. I'm just sorry that we can't have a single thread regarding electric vehicles (and there have been many) without people feeling this becomes the thread to express their allegiance to one political mindset and their disdain of another. It just gets old. As for the Brammo, I'll take generation 6. I've got time....
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December 3rd, 2010, 07:31 PM | #28 |
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almost40, cool! Point taken! Don't mean to insult, but sounds like Illinois is a very limiting and cheap state when it comes to green power. Not sure about all of Colorado, but here in the Boulder are (tree-hugger center), things are a bit different. Oh, I also feel as I should apologize if I was harsh in the least. Your response definitely humbled me. Thank you!
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December 5th, 2010, 09:03 AM | #31 |
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I keep eyeballing the Brammo Empulse. At least for now, most of my riding is my 5 mile commute and canyon runs (I'm within 15 minutes of two mountain canyons ) So, this bike would make sense for my type of riding. Plus, of all the current electric bikes, it is one of the best looking.
The Native S is not bad looking either. However it seems to be more of a commuter (non freeway) bike. I believe that five years from now there will be some nice electric bikes to choose from. Now only if Motoczysz could mass produce this little gem as a street bike (edit - this will never be mass produced )
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December 5th, 2010, 09:37 AM | #32 |
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Additionally, there is the RR version of the Brammo. Basically a souped up version of the Empulse for racing.
"Up-close the Empulse RR is just as striking as the Empulse street bike, with an obviously more performance-oriented attitude. The most striking addition is the full race fairing, which Brammo’s Director of Product Development Brian Wismann says could be an option to Empulse owners if there’s enough interest. There is also some hinting as to the possibility of there being an Empulse spec-racing class, but we’ll have to wait and see on that development."
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Thanks for the correction Jet. I sure hope energy storage technology continues to improve. It seems that we could be on the verge of mainstream electric vehicles.
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It is usually the case yes... 220 rocks! 50hz doesn't though...
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Yeah... so battery powered bikes are on the horizon ... but are they really "GREEN" ??? Well the obvious answer is yes since they don't consume fossil fuels, which is true.. but theres always a trade off.
Ok... my argument will seem a little diminished without practical numbers to work with but given our already over-burdened electrical grid... Where are we gonna get all the extra power necessary to power the potential boon in electric hybrids and pure electric vehicles?? ... Where does the vast majority of electricity come from? more specifically... how is electricity generated? The Answer is.... WE BURN COAL !! COAL is the second largest pollutant, in terms of Green house gases, in the US !! Large amounts of CO2 gases are generated to feed our ELECTRIC needs here in the states... So switching to electric vehicles reduces carbon emissions via fossil fuel burn off... but it is offset by an increase in consumer consumption of electricity... electricity that is produced by burning Coal ... and we have an incredible amount of coal here in the US... Damn, i'm being such a wet blanket to this threads initial intentions... So getting back on topic.. DAMN that bike looks sweet... however... at 65 mpg with my ninjette... its gonna be hard for me to pay triple for something that only gets me 60 to 100 miles in one direction... but jump the total trip miles to 200... and we may have a winner... |
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Fixed electrical generating plants are far more efficient because they can use hardware and technologies that are just too big and complex to use in a mobile power plant. The conversion of electricity to motion in a bike or car is far more efficient, upwards of 90% in some cases. Even counting transmission line losses and other issues, you can get more miles for a given amount of stored chemical energy by using fixed generation and batteries than you can burning the same amount of fuel directly in a mobile motor. What's more, you can do the one thing with batteries that you cannot do (with any practical scheme) any other way: Regenerative braking. With that, what you are doing in essence is recapturing braking energy to reuse again later, instead of just seeing it drift away as heated air. From a larger picture standpoint, going full EV gives us the ability to use a variety of energy sources, many of which can be very carbon-neutral and far less damaging to our only habitat. If you're burning fuel directly in a vehicle you're fairly limited in what you can do to make more fuel since it has to be fairly high in energy density (expensive to make) and relatively safe to transport and store in massive quantities (rules out liquid hydrogen, etc). Electricity can do for the transportation energy infrastructure what the Dollar, a universal currency in many senses, did for the financial infrastructure of this nation. Breaking the direct connection between hydrocarbons and transportation will be, IMHO, one of the most important things we can do to ensure our long-term survival as a nation and culture. |
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