Oil change issue?

Minnesotah · August 28th, 2010, 07:11 PM

I just did a oil change, Used a K&N filter changed both O rings and filled it up using the recommended amount. I look at the window and nothing is showing up.

What could this be? Bike has 400 miles on it this is my third oil change first time this has happened.

Kitdog · August 28th, 2010, 07:20 PM

Is it standing straight up or on the side stand, stand it up straight then look.

Minnesotah · August 28th, 2010, 07:22 PM

It was 100% vertical just like it says in Kkims oil change instructions, This is the first time i have used the K&n filter could that have something to do with it?

Edit If i tilt the bike to the right just a bit the window starts to fill up. Which leads me to think i dont have enough oil. But i used the recommended amount and dont want to over fill it.

Kitdog · August 28th, 2010, 07:30 PM

I trust my gut, I don't like that little window, I use K&N filter also, as long as I have put the proper amount of oil in, the engine sounds right, and there is no leak I trust it, the window is just a little hokey for me.

Minnesotah · August 28th, 2010, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kitdog

I trust my gut, I don't like that little window, I use K&N filter also, as long as I have put the proper amount of oil in, the engine sounds right, and there is no leak I trust it, the window is just a little hokey for me.

I am almost positive i put the correct amount in.

Cuongism · August 28th, 2010, 07:43 PM

How much did you put in? What oil filters did you use in your last two oil changes?

Minnesotah · August 28th, 2010, 08:03 PM

Gosh now i am all confused. I put in 1 qt and put in another one to the 300ml left line.

Which means if my math is correct. And tell me if this is wrong.

The recommended 1.8 Quarts is equal to 1703.44 Milliliters

With each quart containing around 946 Ml My math tells me i put in with 300ml left in the bottle around 1592 ML which comes out to 1.68 Quarts.

Does this sound right? lol i think i am just thinking about this to much....

WindMeUp · August 28th, 2010, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minnesotah

Gosh now i am all confused. I put in 1 qt and put in another one to the 300ml left line.

Which means if my math is correct. And tell me if this is wrong.

The recommended 1.8 Quarts is equal to 1703.44 Milliliters

With each quart containing around 946 Ml My math tells me i put in with 300ml left in the bottle around 1592 ML which comes out to 1.68 Quarts.

Does this sound right? lol i think i am just thinking about this to much....

I say if it's not leaking keep adding, I have had similar crap with oil levels happen to me more than once, trust the window over volume used

kkim · August 28th, 2010, 08:11 PM

you're thinking too much. fill up the oil till it's in the sight glass window with the bike sitting level and vertical and you're done.

Minnesotah · August 28th, 2010, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkim

you're thinking too much. fill up the oil till it's in the sight glass window with the bike sitting level and vertical and you're done.

Well that would just make to much sense!

kkim · August 28th, 2010, 08:25 PM

remember to start the bike up after you do that and let the oil circulate. stop the engine and check the level again after a few minutes. top off if needed.

harlumjp · August 29th, 2010, 11:11 AM

I have done 4 oil changes now and I've seen this same issue. Like another said, after the initial fill, I idle the bike for about 2 minutes to circulate. Then I shut it off, wait 2 minutes, then check the oil. After the initial fill it usually is not showing in the sight glass (yes, while vertical).

After this I go through a process of adding 100 ml at a time, then repeating the whole idle & shut off exercise. It usually takes about 3-5 cycles of this to get the sight glass showing oil. Also BTW I consider it done when the oil is a little above the lower limit line. I find out that a day later (for some reason) the oil is higher in the sight glass, which would still put it below the upper limit line.

One time when I was changing it I was doing the same math thing as you and it started to drive me crazy, so I just ended up relying on the sight glass...

Brian250R · August 29th, 2010, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minnesotah

Bike has 400 miles on it this is my third oil change first time this has happened.

Just curious....why?

Alex · August 29th, 2010, 04:47 PM

Heck, by some standards on this board he should be to his 8th or 9th oil change by now.

(personally, I go by the manual on this one...)

August 28th, 2010, 07:11 PM	#1
Minnesotah Did you get him? Name: Myke Location: Portland, Oregon Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 2fiddy SE Posts: 54	Oil change issue? I just did a oil change, Used a K&N filter changed both O rings and filled it up using the recommended amount. I look at the window and nothing is showing up. What could this be? Bike has 400 miles on it this is my third oil change first time this has happened.

August 28th, 2010, 07:20 PM	#2
Kitdog ninjette.org guru Name: Kit Location: New Mexico Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r, 1996 Yahmaha YZ 125... Both in Blue the coolest color Posts: 285	Is it standing straight up or on the side stand, stand it up straight then look. __________________________________________________ "Well you know, for me, the action IS the juice"

August 28th, 2010, 07:30 PM	#4
Kitdog ninjette.org guru Name: Kit Location: New Mexico Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r, 1996 Yahmaha YZ 125... Both in Blue the coolest color Posts: 285	I trust my gut, I don't like that little window, I use K&N filter also, as long as I have put the proper amount of oil in, the engine sounds right, and there is no leak I trust it, the window is just a little hokey for me. __________________________________________________ "Well you know, for me, the action IS the juice"

August 29th, 2010, 04:47 PM	#14
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Heck, by some standards on this board he should be to his 8th or 9th oil change by now. (personally, I go by the manual on this one...) __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

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August 28th, 2010, 07:22 PM	#3
Minnesotah Did you get him? Name: Myke Location: Portland, Oregon Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 2fiddy SE Posts: 54	It was 100% vertical just like it says in Kkims oil change instructions, This is the first time i have used the K&n filter could that have something to do with it? Edit If i tilt the bike to the right just a bit the window starts to fill up. Which leads me to think i dont have enough oil. But i used the recommended amount and dont want to over fill it.

August 28th, 2010, 07:43 PM	#6
Cuongism ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Cuong Location: San Diego Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r, 2007 Daytona 675 Posts: A lot.	How much did you put in? What oil filters did you use in your last two oil changes?

August 28th, 2010, 08:03 PM	#7
Minnesotah Did you get him? Name: Myke Location: Portland, Oregon Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 2fiddy SE Posts: 54	Gosh now i am all confused. I put in 1 qt and put in another one to the 300ml left line. Which means if my math is correct. And tell me if this is wrong. The recommended 1.8 Quarts is equal to 1703.44 Milliliters With each quart containing around 946 Ml My math tells me i put in with 300ml left in the bottle around 1592 ML which comes out to 1.68 Quarts. Does this sound right? lol i think i am just thinking about this to much....

August 28th, 2010, 08:11 PM	#9
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	you're thinking too much. fill up the oil till it's in the sight glass window with the bike sitting level and vertical and you're done.

August 28th, 2010, 08:25 PM	#11
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	remember to start the bike up after you do that and let the oil circulate. stop the engine and check the level again after a few minutes. top off if needed.

August 29th, 2010, 11:11 AM	#12
harlumjp ninjette.org member Name: Jordan Location: Orange County, CA Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): Totaled 2010 Ninja 250r :( Posts: 77	I have done 4 oil changes now and I've seen this same issue. Like another said, after the initial fill, I idle the bike for about 2 minutes to circulate. Then I shut it off, wait 2 minutes, then check the oil. After the initial fill it usually is not showing in the sight glass (yes, while vertical). After this I go through a process of adding 100 ml at a time, then repeating the whole idle & shut off exercise. It usually takes about 3-5 cycles of this to get the sight glass showing oil. Also BTW I consider it done when the oil is a little above the lower limit line. I find out that a day later (for some reason) the oil is higher in the sight glass, which would still put it below the upper limit line. One time when I was changing it I was doing the same math thing as you and it started to drive me crazy, so I just ended up relying on the sight glass...