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Old April 5th, 2018, 11:56 AM   #1
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Sleeping at the track... genius idea

Just ran across this. A 5.5 x 10 foot tent that uses your existing EZ-up as its frame. Since it's half the size of a 10x10, it leaves enough room under the canopy for your bike, chair, cooler etc.

No poles, and while the front corners are meant to be staked I see no reason why it can't just be tied to the canopy legs.

Just unhook when you get up in the morning, bundle it all up and chuck it in your car. End of the day, reverse. Simpler than a regular tent, and way roomy... standing headroom.

They also make a 4-person version that sits off to one side of the canopy (which means it could be left set up all day), but it requires stakes and has a pole. Most of the tracks I go to, you're either on pavement or the ground is so hard there's no way you're going to get a stake into it.

Best part: This one is on sale right now for $26 (!) at Walmart, with free ship-to-store. At that price, I'm going to take a flyer and see if it'll work.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Ozark-Tra...Tent/224906920



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Old April 5th, 2018, 12:04 PM   #2
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Dang. Out of stock already. Great idea.
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Old April 5th, 2018, 01:02 PM   #3
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Keep trying, and maybe from a different device. When I saw it this morning I encountered the same thing. Hit the link at work later in the day and was able to order it.

Even at the full price of $50-something, it's not a bad idea. Available at Amazon.

Quality will likely be what you'd expect from Wally World, but whatever.
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Yeah, I found it on Amazon. I'm still using an 8' square easy-up. And sleeping in the back of my van works pretty good. But I like the concept. Maybe after I sign with KRT...
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I love it. I've been buying them all day. Every time they stock more I buy all the stock. I'm going to sell them at the track and make a killing. Screw sleeping in them, if you put your bike in over night it will be clean and dry in the morning. It's so much better than a bike cover.
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How about this one? Won't lose any canopy space and you can have two wings! A bedroom and a kitchen!!!

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I don't have high expectations re quality, but for $26, what the hell.

My car's too small to sleep in, and I'm at an age where stuff like standing headroom sure is appreciated.

The real test will be how much of a hassle it is to use. I've got low tolerance for gear that's a PITA.

I'm thinking that in the morning, I just take my clothes duffel out of the tent, uncork the air bed, unhook the tent, loosely roll the whole thing up and toss it in my car. Next night, unroll it, hook it to the EZ-up and reinflate the air bed. Easy peasy, if it works.
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How about this one? Won't lose any canopy space and you can have two wings! A bedroom and a kitchen!!!

Yeah, that's two of the 4-person ones from the same company. Advantage is that you can leave it set up and still have the full canopy. Disadvantages are that you HAVE to stake it out, have a pole to deal with (hassle, albeit minor), and it takes up a lot of room... depending on where you ride, that might not work.

What I like about having it under the canopy is that it doesn't take up extra space in a crowded paddock.
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I don't have high expectations re quality, but for $26, what the hell.

My car's too small to sleep in, and I'm at an age where stuff like standing headroom sure is appreciated.

The real test will be how much of a hassle it is to use. I've got low tolerance for gear that's a PITA.

I'm thinking that in the morning, I just take my clothes duffel out of the tent, uncork the air bed, unhook the tent, loosely roll the whole thing up and toss it in my car. Next night, unroll it, hook it to the EZ-up and reinflate the air bed. Easy peasy, if it works.
See, I'm thinking when I get around to upgrading my canopy, get a 15x10 and one of these tents, and leave it up. A little extra shade, privacy for changing and baby-wipe baths at the end of the day, and headroom. (oh for a track that has showers)

The biggest downside I'm seeing is that I kind of like being able to drop my canopy to half-height overnight if it's raining. But then, if it's wet, I'll probably sleep in the van or pony up for a motel room and shower anyway.
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How about this one? Won't lose any canopy space and you can have two wings! A bedroom and a kitchen!!!

You will be hated in the paddock for taking up the space of 2.5 riders. But if you are willing to hang out to yourself in the cheap seats (back of paddock), then have at it.

Awesome idea though. Or.... just buy an ez-up with walls and enjoy wind/rain/sun protection AND have a more private area for your cot. Just bring a piece of carpet/rug for your sock feet.

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Also.... before you order, check your canopy size.

They come in all kinds of sizes.
Small
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Make sure this will work with yours without "getting creative". Looks like the wal-mart item is for a 10x10. And for god sake, don't use this on those cheap $49 canopies, they can barely hold themselves up. My guess is your experience with this product will be relative to the quality of your canopy.

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The wind ate my last canopy and its replacement is a 12x12. Easy to adapt... a little paracord is all that'll be needed.
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You will be hated in the paddock for taking up the space of 2.5 riders. But if you are willing to hang out to yourself in the cheap seats (back of paddock), then have at it.
Don't know about your tracks, but we have plenty of space here. At Buttonwillow, I usually set up east of the main building. There's grass area next to pavement for parking and camping. I set up my canopy on edge of pavement. Then I can attach Ozark Connectent to back edge of canopy so it's on grass/dirt.



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BTW - why would quality of exact same Ozark Trail Connectent be different between buying it from Amazon vs. Walmart???
Same item... Walmart just has 'em on closeout.

Around here... at one track (Thompson) most parking is on asphalt with no dirt in sight into which one might drive tent pegs. One edge of the paddock is like that, but everyone else is on pavement.

At another (Palmer) the unpaved areas are hard-packed dirt and sharp stones. Not tent friendly AT ALL and about as hard as concrete under those sharp rocks.

Everywhere, taking up more width than your canopy occupies is not welcome... so that deluxe Taj Mahal dual-tent-with-canopy-in-the-middle rig is kind of a non-starter.
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I have had 3 canopies and the wind has destroyed all of them. They are made cheaply with cheap metal.
Yeah, due to physics of leverage and small diameter-tubing, any material will break really.



To survive the wind flipping canopy upside-down & inside-out, design will need to change to larger diameter round tubing made from chromoly or titanium. Plastic joints will need to be replaced with metal. Even then, I still think wind will be able to break it. I've had my el-cheapo Costco canopy for 2-seasons now and the tubing's bent and I've replaced many rivets at plastic joints with bolts. The fabric's starting to have some holes from repeated stretching and packing. Haven't found anything with significantly better design or materials yet though. I'm eyeing some kevlar sails I've got in storage, those may work better as covering material...
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To survive the wind flipping canopy upside-down & inside-out, design will need to change to larger diameter round tubing made from chromoly or titanium. Plastic joints will need to be replaced with metal. Even then, I still think wind will be able to break it. I've had my el-cheapo Costco canopy for 2-seasons now and the tubing's bent and I've replaced many rivets at plastic joints with bolts. The fabric's starting to have some holes from repeated stretching and packing. Haven't found anything with significantly better design or materials yet though. I'm eyeing some kevlar sails I've got in storage, those may work better as covering material...
I was always thinking of some more heavy duty metal than aluminum.
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I have had 3 canopies and the wind has destroyed all of them. They are made cheaply with cheap metal.
Yeah, I destroyed a few also until I leaned my lesson - and that was to set it up in a way that reinforces all 4 corners. Most of the time that means setting up on grass and using tent stakes with rope at 45 deg angles on every corner, pulling the thing tight in every direction. Sometimes if I'm stuck on asphalt I'll anchor to my trailer on one side and a couple of monster toolboxes on the other side.

There really are no good pop-up canopies unless you pay $1K for a industrial grade business booth style of canopy.
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I have tried good ones and cheap ones. I have anchored one side to my van and the other firmly staked into the ground. I finally gave up. I always sleep at the track. I sleep
In the van. I just bought a cot. Now it will be awesome.
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I bought a 7x12 trailer for me and my bikes. Even with one bike there is plenty of room to sleep. I got it for Motorcycle events. Once at my spot I put the bike in a screen room and use the whole trailer for camping. Bed, crapper, kitchen, TV, small refrigerator, AC, with a little Honda generator, all the comforts of home. Well almost I need to rig up a shower with holding tank.
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I have room in my driveway for a trailer.

I do not have room in my marriage for one, unfortunately.
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Bugger.

I ordered the thing, but got an email from Wally World overnight canceling the order. Evidently they decided they're out of stock after all.
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I have room in my driveway for a trailer.

I do not have room in my marriage for one, unfortunately.
Once you go enclosed, you will wonder how you suffered through it any other way. Aside of being a small camper, it offers you an added level of packing ease (just leave your track stuff loaded!!!!) and SECURITY for your stuff! Added benefits are; extra storage at home when you need that garage space.

For da wifes against an enclosed...
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"ok cool, we can pick it up in the trailer."
"But it's raining!"
"So?"

"I want to repaint the living room."
"Cool, we can put the stuff in the trailer until we are done."
"I hate mauve though, can we pick another color?"

"I can't believe you screwed up again, even after we talked about this"
"You are so in the dog house..."
"I think you mean the trailer"
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Uhaul 5x10 box trailers are fairly cheap to rent. $24 a day if you return to the same location. You'll need to supply your own wheel chock and ramp, but those are easy enough to come by. Fits a bike and plenty of gear, and once you've pulled the bike out you can set up a cot or air mattress. Locks up solidly if you decide to grab a motel before/after.

I did the math once and if you buy a new trailer, it'd be something like 50 uses before buying paid for itself compared to renting. Plus with Uhaul, you don't have to store it between uses, maintain or license it. Only real downside is picking up and dropping off.
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I have plenty of room when we are home. The trailer becomes an overflow room for bikes before they go into the shop. We have a Class C Motorhome that we park in St. Augustine FL for the winter. We also keep a car in Florida. I use the trailer to bring two bikes south. One Harley and one scooter. Then I bring three bikes home. Motorcycles seem to be cheaper in FL then in NJ.

It is one of those 12' with the V in front so you get a little extra room in front. Just enough for the kitchen sink and a little microwave, with fridge and sink holding tank under.
I have a peephole in the door and one in the ramp. One of these days I need to put some portholes in the sides. I also like the security it offers for those states where I am not allowed to carry a handgun. You can drop the back ramp and I have a Harbor Freight mesh tarp to keep the bugs outside. Sunshade is attached to one side and screen room for th bike on the other. The really nice thing is my wife hates it. I do not have to worry about her tagging along. She mutters something like "redneck hillbilly country hick gypsies on parade. You will never catch me in that thing."

The trailer is 6'3" single axel. Cost $3000.00 dollars out the door from Diamond. Our Jeep Liberty tows it very nicely, but the Cadillac SRX is tooooo weak. The tranny does not seem up to the task even in Sport Mode.
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Uhaul 5x10 box trailers are fairly cheap to rent. $24 a day if you return to the same location. You'll need to supply your own wheel chock and ramp, but those are easy enough to come by. Fits a bike and plenty of gear, and once you've pulled the bike out you can set up a cot or air mattress. Locks up solidly if you decide to grab a motel before/after.

I did the math once and if you buy a new trailer, it'd be something like 50 uses before buying paid for itself compared to renting. Plus with Uhaul, you don't have to store it between uses, maintain or license it. Only real downside is picking up and dropping off.
If you buy a trailer you don't have to load/unload the stuff every time, and you don't need to have another storage space for the stuff, you can just leave every thing in the trailer hitch it up and go, when you get home back the trailer into it's space go in the house and take a shower.

Also there are tons of used trailers out there for half the price or less of a new one.
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Do not paint anything about motorcycles on the trailer. It is like a theft magnet. My suggestion is magnet boards that say earls septic tank cleaning.
Another option is to pack the van then drive to the race . While t the city of the race rent a u haul trailer . Put the bikes and stinky fuel in the u haul. Then sleep in the van.
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Hahah that’s increadable . I just pulled that name out of thin air. Hmmmm. I bet that truck has a race bike inside.
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Keep trying, and maybe from a different device. When I saw it this morning I encountered the same thing. Hit the link at work later in the day and was able to order it.

Even at the full price of $50-something, it's not a bad idea. Available at Amazon.

Quality will likely be what you'd expect from Wally World, but whatever.
What's wrong with the $34.00 unit. Look like it would be easier to carry on the bike too.

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What's wrong with the $34.00 unit. Look like it would be easier to carry on the bike too.

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Huh? Carry on the bike? This isn't about bike camping....
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Huh? Carry on the bike? This isn't about bike camping....
Oops, sorry. I'm one of those idiots who enjoys like two week long bike trips and camping along the way. But then I'm so cheap I sqeek.

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I have several different motorcycle logos on the back. Security precautions include pad locks on doors. Ramp locked from inside, also. Lock on hitch. Wheels chained to the frame with case harden chain. I know a cutoff wheel can make short of chains and locks, but they are going to make a lot of noise. I have a carry permit good n 38 states. Most oF those states allow the defense of personal property.
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It’s sad we have to go to that much trouble to protect our stuff. But that is the reality. Despite all the locks and chains . While your back is turned . A rollback tow truck can snatch a trailer in under sixty seconds. And they will do it in front of people. Like they are just picking it up.
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I have several different motorcycle logos on the back. Security precautions include pad locks on doors. Ramp locked from inside, also. Lock on hitch. Wheels chained to the frame with case harden chain. I know a cutoff wheel can make short of chains and locks, but they are going to make a lot of noise. I have a carry permit good n 38 states. Most oF those states allow the defense of personal property.
As a former 17 year resident of New Jersey I can only say you're smart!!!!

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Yeah, due to physics of leverage and small diameter-tubing, any material will break really.



To survive the wind flipping canopy upside-down & inside-out, design will need to change to larger diameter round tubing made from chromoly or titanium. Plastic joints will need to be replaced with metal. Even then, I still think wind will be able to break it. I've had my el-cheapo Costco canopy for 2-seasons now and the tubing's bent and I've replaced many rivets at plastic joints with bolts. The fabric's starting to have some holes from repeated stretching and packing. Haven't found anything with significantly better design or materials yet though. I'm eyeing some kevlar sails I've got in storage, those may work better as covering material...
i think your looking for one like this, vary good quality
https://www.ecanopy.com/caal10x20wip.html

and hear is a pic of another brand that is vary good don't remember the brand have to ask @Z1R rider
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i think your looking for one like this, vary good quality
https://www.ecanopy.com/caal10x20wip.html

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That looks like a King Canopy (or similar quality). Those will stand up to your average rainstorm + some, but even those can't stand up to 60mph wind gusts. It is still possible to watch your $500+ popup investment go flying accross the paddock.

Here has been my problem with the cheap ones;

1. Between the wind and rain, the top develops a "pocket" where water can pool.
2. More wind and rain just makes the pool bigger
3. Eventually the weight of the water + force of the wind, folds the canopy side rails and it all comes down.

The higher quality popups work much better because, the tops are well fitting and the support tubing is better at preventing pooling. Between the anchor points at the legs, and better overall structure, they fight the wind much better than the average popup.

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When you are under a popup, look up! if you see an entire support skeleton throughout (not just on the sides) and a well fitting canvas on that skeleton, it's simply better.

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Adequately sturdy track shelter, designed for the midwest.

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