Fender modification - Page 3

Ninja007 · January 27th, 2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by HKr1

Or get some button heads to make them flush. Looks nice thou! Deff way to go if you had to buy one

Agreed. Looks way good,

but some more flush bolts might clean it up ever so slightly more. And painting the bolts black is a good idea. Not to get off topic, but has anyone painted the silver fuel cap? I'm thinkin' about painting it black. Any ideas?

Sound Wave · January 27th, 2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by HKr1

Whats the other side of them look like? You know, put them in the other way(nut up top). Or get some button heads to make them flush.

Looks nice thou! Deff way to go if you had to buy one

thanks for the compliment and suggestion. it would look definitely look cleaner if i flipped them around. i will investigate that further. i did briefly think about that initially, but then quickly dismissed and forgot about that option. it was getting dark and i just wanted to get my bike back together.

but yeah, thanks. i will try and see if that works.

noche_caliente · January 27th, 2009, 09:59 AM

Looks great Gary! Can you take a pick from further back looking directly at it? I love the close-up, but am wondering what it looks like from a few feet back....
This has topped the one that Kazam has in my book....

Sound Wave · January 27th, 2009, 10:15 AM

thanks! a direct butt view further back? ok. when i get home from work tonight i will take a pic and post it.

k-os · January 27th, 2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by grandmaster

Is the TARGA fender elim. a kit? I have never heard of it....

Yes it is a kit. It's about $90 with shipping included. Comes with a black anodized aluminum plate to fill in the area where the stock fender is removed. You'll also have to splice the license plate LED and turn signals' wires to the stock wiring.

PSO-08ninja250rblack · January 27th, 2009, 12:49 PM

yeah i painted all the bolts in my fairings black, i like it.

Ninja007 · January 27th, 2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PSO-08ninja250rblack

yeah i painted all the bolts in my fairings black, i like it.

did you paint just the fairing bolts black or all the bolts on your bike? Also, how did you go about doing this?

Sailariel · January 27th, 2009, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Scorpielle

I used the plate bracket that came stock, and then just fashioned some L brackets to hold it to the 2 large bolts underneath the tail.
And Shhhh there is no plate light right now, just the glow of the tail light. LOL

I would bet that if you took your trusty Dremel and drilled an oval hole at the bottom of your tail light and took a clear piece of plastic and super glued it over the hole on the inside, you would be perfectly legal. Did that on my Norton Cafe Racer.

kazam58 · January 27th, 2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by noche_caliente

This has topped the one that Kazam has in my book....

oh no! I've been outdone!

just kidding, I take no offense (sob) But in all seriousness, that does look very nice

, especially considering it's a good deal cheaper than mine. The integrated LP light sets this kit apart from others, it's one of few that has that feature.

darkknight49 · January 27th, 2009, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex

Finally got a pic of the result:

My bike has the same "fender elimination" technique. Looks good enough.

I think you need a new tire tho.

Alex · January 27th, 2009, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by darkknight49

I think you need a new tire tho.

I think that was the last ride on the stock GT501's before switching over to Sport Demons.

Sound Wave · January 27th, 2009, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by noche_caliente

Looks great Gary! Can you take a pick from further back looking directly at it? I love the close-up, but am wondering what it looks like from a few feet back....
This has topped the one that Kazam has in my book....

had my nikon d40 for a while but i still can't figure out the features, so i don't know how to take pics in low lighting. i did flip the bolts around as suggested and i think it looks great! it blends in for a more finished look. doesn't really need to be painted anymore.. idk. i still might. thanks HKr1 for the suggestion. sometimes the obvious solution needs to be pointed out by someone with a fresh pair of eyes. now i am extremely happy with this product.

my turn signals look a bit droopy in the rear shot, but that is how they were when it was stock.

Scorpielle · January 28th, 2009, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Allmayer Beck

I would bet that if you took your trusty Dremel and drilled an oval hole at the bottom of your tail light and took a clear piece of plastic and super glued it over the hole on the inside, you would be perfectly legal. Did that on my Norton Cafe Racer.

OHHHHHH Norton Cafe racer!! droool

noche_caliente · January 31st, 2009, 09:59 AM

Looks great! Thanks Greg!

HKr1 · January 31st, 2009, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sound Wave

i did flip the bolts around as suggested and i think it looks great! it blends in for a more finished look. doesn't really need to be painted anymore.. idk.

Finished product looks really nice! Probably dont need the paint, you gotta bend over to look up under there....

Good Job, & Good FE

watcanido · February 3rd, 2009, 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sound Wave

had my nikon d40 for a while but i still can't figure out the features, so i don't know how to take pics in low lighting. i did flip the bolts around as suggested and i think it looks great! it blends in for a more finished look. doesn't really need to be painted anymore.. idk. i still might. thanks HKr1 for the suggestion. sometimes the obvious solution needs to be pointed out by someone with a fresh pair of eyes. now i am extremely happy with this product.

my turn signals look a bit droopy in the rear shot, but that is how they were when it was stock.

Nice bike! go Team Black! lol. I'm thinking of getting the same fender eliminator kit. Did it come with everything you need to install it? like resistors for the LED that lights up the license plate..

Sound Wave · February 3rd, 2009, 03:10 AM

thanks people.

jhaqui, yeah the kit comes with everything you need. not sure about the resistors for the LED plate light. if there are, it is built in. if there aren't, it doesn't seem to be needed.

the only mod to the bike needed is the cutting and stripping of the stock plate light wiring. it comes with the wire connectors and even shrink wrap tubing.

if you are planning on changing out your stock rear turn signals, this would be an excellent time... but it is also designed to work with the stock signals as well.

my complaint is that the instructions were confusing to me. also, you may need to get a clear bubble plate cover. the light will hit the plate if using a regular frame, but not as well. other than that, it is a GREAT kit.

props to kerry and greg for introducing me to this kit

bikermunda · February 8th, 2009, 12:48 AM

does anyone know if i need to have a license plate light as a law in california?

Alex · February 8th, 2009, 12:58 AM

Yup, it's the law.

from: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc24601.htm

Quote:

License Plate Lamp
24601. Either the taillamp or a separate lamp shall be so constructed and placed as to illuminate with a white light the rear license plate during darkness and render it clearly legible from a distance of 50 feet to the rear. When the rear license plate is illuminated by a lamp other than a required taillamp, the two lamps shall be turned on or off only by the same control switch at all times.

Amended Ch. 1313, Stats. 1965. Effective September 17, 1965.

kkim · February 8th, 2009, 01:02 AM

Not that I would advocate breaking the law, but how many there actually have a rear license plate light and is it strictly enforced, Alex?

Alex · February 8th, 2009, 01:06 AM

Nothing's illegal until you get caught. Here in northern california, it's not uncommon for LEO's to write fix-it tickets for missing plate lights, illegal blinkers, illegal plate mount, missing reflectors, and any number of other violations. Sometimes those are written instead of the speeding ticket. Sometimes those are written in addition to whatever other ticket caused you to be pulled over. And on real bad days, sometimes they patrol the parking lots of known biker hangouts and write tickets en masse for all the violations they can find on the bikes in the lot.

There are certainly more serious things that LEO's can and do worry about, but why give them any excuse at all to hassle you? LED lights for the plate are a piece 'o cake to install if needed.

EDIT: Didn't see your second question. All of my bikes have rear plate lights, including the ones with fender eliminators. If I had to hazard a guess on how many bikes in general with eliminator kits still have plate lights, I'd probably say half. But I wouldn't recommend riding at night without one, it's like a beacon from miles away that screams "Please pull me over for a chat".

HKr1 · February 8th, 2009, 02:31 PM

Yeah, they really mean "White Light" also < got stopped twice for Red plate lights.

Cali really sucks for vehicle violations, but most of them are just fix its. Thought there were a few you could only fix three times thou........ thinking one was exhaust? < been so long now.

You should see the stuff down here in Florida, its in there laws... But they(cops) just dont give a crap I guess. I always think these people wouldnt get 1 mile in Cali with out getting pulled over.. LOL

k-os · February 8th, 2009, 02:42 PM

Just got done installing the Targa kit. First time taking off the rear plastics so it probably took a bit longer than it should have, about 1 hour.

aloh · February 10th, 2009, 07:24 PM

looking good!

Sound Wave · February 10th, 2009, 07:44 PM

i like that little plate LED light. pretty bright?

k-os · February 10th, 2009, 09:28 PM

I haven't had it on at all during the night.

I just made sure it worked. I'll check it out tomorrow.

bikermunda · February 11th, 2009, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

Yup, it's the law.

from: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc24601.htm

Thanks Alex for the info

i am wondering if anyone has tried the tagra fender elimination kit and if it is worth spending $90 on it ?

k-os · February 11th, 2009, 11:47 PM

As shown in my posts above, I would highly recommend it. I definitely think it was worth the $90. Cleans it up so well, and the install is easy.

bikermunda · February 12th, 2009, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k-os

As shown in my posts above, I would highly recommend it. I definitely think it was worth the $90. Cleans it up so well, and the install is easy.

hey thanks for the reply and also i have gone ahead and ordered the tagra kit, i should receive it by tomorrow since i wanted the overnight shipping so i can work on my bike over the weekend will post pictures once i am done and also i am sure after the kit if in place it will be difficult to ride the bike in rain because the water will come all the way on the rider`s back

Sound Wave · February 12th, 2009, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bikermunda

hey thanks for the reply and also i have gone ahead and ordered the tagra kit, i should receive it by tomorrow since i wanted the overnight shipping so i can work on my bike over the weekend will post pictures once i am done and also i am sure after the kit if in place it will be difficult to ride the bike in rain because the water will come all the way on the rider`s back

your back should be fine. if anything people behind you will get more spray from the wet roads.

xTKx · February 12th, 2009, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k-os

As shown in my posts above, I would highly recommend it. I definitely think it was worth the $90. Cleans it up so well, and the install is easy.

Nicely done Andy, looks great

! I was so tempted to buy the kit the other day and I don't even have my bike yet!

Needless to say I'm getting more and more excited (hopefully within the next 3-4 weeks I should be riding).

OldGuy · February 16th, 2009, 08:54 PM

I liked the way Alex removed his wheele bar so that was the first mod to the new 2009 and thought I would document where the cut was made.

First the stock look

I used some painters tape to decide where I wanted to make the cut and provide an easy to follow line. I decided to make the cut right where the tail narrows down.

Then just to be sure I remounted the plate. An old habit from when I worked construction; measure twice, cut once.

The surgical instrument selected by all discriminating Nina 250 Surgeons.

Clean up and disinfect the point of amputation with some Mother's Back-to-Black.

And there you have it, one tail bob, ala Alex.

Blue Ninja 250R · February 17th, 2009, 02:17 AM

Off topic, any one have the complete dimension for front and rear stand or any link that I can refer to.........?

Alex · February 17th, 2009, 02:20 AM

Stanley -

Here are two threads on rear stands that may be useful for you:

Thread 1
Thread 2

grandmaster · February 23rd, 2009, 05:45 PM

The Cut:

Okay...so i got thinking today that i want to eliminate the rear fender (already did the basic cut like the very first post in the thread) I just don't like the way it sticks out with the plate light and everything on there. So......here are my thoughts....is it possible and do ya think it will work? If so I can do a DIY for it.

I want to take the fender (as pictured above) and use that as a mold for a fiberglass piece, I will drill holes in the side to incorporate 2 LED strips for blinkers. I would just paint the whole thing black. Might even be a possiblitly to do the black top piece out of fiberglass. Then I would just mount the plate with the "L" brackets like the others have done. So what do you think? Could it work?

watcanido · February 23rd, 2009, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grandmaster

The Cut:

Okay...so i got thinking today that i want to eliminate the rear fender (already did the basic cut like the very first post in the thread) I just don't like the way it sticks out with the plate light and everything on there. So......here are my thoughts....is it possible and do ya think it will work? If so I can do a DIY for it.

I want to take the fender (as pictured above) and use that as a mold for a fiberglass piece, I will drill holes in the side to incorporate 2 LED strips for blinkers. I would just paint the whole thing black. Might even be a possiblitly to do the black top piece out of fiberglass. Then I would just mount the plate with the "L" brackets like the others have done. So what do you think? Could it work?

Why fiber glass? why not carbon fiber

j/k it should work if you know what your doing. I would love to see a DYI. Good Luck!
Also for those looking for a tail tidy, I was browsing ebay and saw a new fender eliminator kit by Mustard Bikes, don't know if anyone has ordered from them before but it looks pretty tight, Australian made.

Linkage: http://cgi.ebay.ca/Ninja-250-Fender-...arms=72%3A1215

grandmaster · February 23rd, 2009, 10:51 PM

Well I have some experience with fiber glass, so I think it will probably work. I am trying to keep cost down so Carbon fiber isn't an option

Anywho, I will probably get it all done then just throw a few coats of some good spray semi-gloss black spray paint. Anybody got any suggestions for some rear flush mounts (preferably LED')? Something small that is still bright. I will do some more searching and let you all know if I end up doing it. And If i do the DIY will be on its way.

00v_Lucky · February 24th, 2009, 01:18 AM

what do you guys think about the people that put their plate inside of the wheel well. I know that is illegal but, are cops that anal? here in so. cali. its very common. thoughts?

CRXTrek · February 24th, 2009, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 00v_Lucky

what do you guys think about the people that put their plate inside of the wheel well. I know that is illegal but, are cops that anal? here in so. cali. its very common. thoughts?

On some bikes i like it , on our 250's with the skinny tire not so much

HKr1 · February 24th, 2009, 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 00v_Lucky

what do you guys think about the people that put their plate inside of the wheel well.

I think it looks really lame

I wonder why they even bother having the plate

Oh, you asked what do we think of the "people" < there lame too

January 27th, 2009, 12:49 PM	#86
PSO-08ninja250rblack ninjette.org member Name: Peter Location: Copehagen, Denmark Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Black Kawasaki ninja 250r Posts: 40	yeah i painted all the bolts in my fairings black, i like it. __________________________________________________ "...black and undetectable by radar..."

February 8th, 2009, 01:06 AM	#101
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Nothing's illegal until you get caught. Here in northern california, it's not uncommon for LEO's to write fix-it tickets for missing plate lights, illegal blinkers, illegal plate mount, missing reflectors, and any number of other violations. Sometimes those are written instead of the speeding ticket. Sometimes those are written in addition to whatever other ticket caused you to be pulled over. And on real bad days, sometimes they patrol the parking lots of known biker hangouts and write tickets en masse for all the violations they can find on the bikes in the lot. There are certainly more serious things that LEO's can and do worry about, but why give them any excuse at all to hassle you? LED lights for the plate are a piece 'o cake to install if needed. EDIT: Didn't see your second question. All of my bikes have rear plate lights, including the ones with fender eliminators. If I had to hazard a guess on how many bikes in general with eliminator kits still have plate lights, I'd probably say half. But I wouldn't recommend riding at night without one, it's like a beacon from miles away that screams "Please pull me over for a chat". __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

February 10th, 2009, 07:24 PM	#104
aloh lolwut Name: Alex Location: socal Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: 196	looking good! __________________________________________________ 08 Blue Ninja 250R

February 16th, 2009, 08:54 PM	#112
OldGuy Live Life Name: Don Location: Lincoln, NE Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Green SE Ninja 250 Posts: A lot.	Tail Bob ala Alex I liked the way Alex removed his wheele bar so that was the first mod to the new 2009 and thought I would document where the cut was made. First the stock look I used some painters tape to decide where I wanted to make the cut and provide an easy to follow line. I decided to make the cut right where the tail narrows down. Then just to be sure I remounted the plate. An old habit from when I worked construction; measure twice, cut once. The surgical instrument selected by all discriminating Nina 250 Surgeons. Clean up and disinfect the point of amputation with some Mother's Back-to-Black. And there you have it, one tail bob, ala Alex. __________________________________________________ - ATGATT - Scorpion EX700 Hi-Vis Helmet, First Gear MeshTek 3.0 Jacket, TourMaster Transition 2 Jacket and Flex Pants, Sidi Doha boots

February 17th, 2009, 02:20 AM	#114
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	Stanley - Here are two threads on rear stands that may be useful for you: Thread 1 Thread 2 __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

January 27th, 2009, 09:59 AM	#83
noche_caliente ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Kim Location: mundo de ensueño Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 250 Posts: A lot.	Looks great Gary! Can you take a pick from further back looking directly at it? I love the close-up, but am wondering what it looks like from a few feet back.... This has topped the one that Kazam has in my book....

January 27th, 2009, 10:15 AM	#84
Sound Wave Ramen Rider Name: Gary Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2015 BMW R1200R, 08 Honda VFR800A (sold), 09 Ninja 250R (sold) Posts: A lot.	thanks! a direct butt view further back? ok. when i get home from work tonight i will take a pic and post it.

January 31st, 2009, 09:59 AM	#94
noche_caliente ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Kim Location: mundo de ensueño Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): '08 250 Posts: A lot.	Looks great! Thanks Greg!

February 3rd, 2009, 03:10 AM	#97
Sound Wave Ramen Rider Name: Gary Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2015 BMW R1200R, 08 Honda VFR800A (sold), 09 Ninja 250R (sold) Posts: A lot.	thanks people. jhaqui, yeah the kit comes with everything you need. not sure about the resistors for the LED plate light. if there are, it is built in. if there aren't, it doesn't seem to be needed. the only mod to the bike needed is the cutting and stripping of the stock plate light wiring. it comes with the wire connectors and even shrink wrap tubing. if you are planning on changing out your stock rear turn signals, this would be an excellent time... but it is also designed to work with the stock signals as well. my complaint is that the instructions were confusing to me. also, you may need to get a clear bubble plate cover. the light will hit the plate if using a regular frame, but not as well. other than that, it is a GREAT kit. props to kerry and greg for introducing me to this kit

February 8th, 2009, 12:48 AM	#98
bikermunda Ninja World YAY Name: Vik Location: Bay Area Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 Posts: 102	does anyone know if i need to have a license plate light as a law in california?

February 8th, 2009, 01:02 AM	#100
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	Not that I would advocate breaking the law, but how many there actually have a rear license plate light and is it strictly enforced, Alex?

February 8th, 2009, 02:31 PM	#102
HKr1 IC2(SW) Name: Kerry Location: Pensacola Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: A lot.	Yeah, they really mean "White Light" also < got stopped twice for Red plate lights. Cali really sucks for vehicle violations, but most of them are just fix its. Thought there were a few you could only fix three times thou........ thinking one was exhaust? < been so long now. You should see the stuff down here in Florida, its in there laws... But they(cops) just dont give a crap I guess. I always think these people wouldnt get 1 mile in Cali with out getting pulled over.. LOL

February 8th, 2009, 02:42 PM	#103
k-os ninjette.org sage Name: Andy Location: Sheboygan, WI Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 1988 Honda Hawk NT650, 1989 Honda Hawk NT650, 1997 GSXR750 Track Bike Posts: 890	Just got done installing the Targa kit. First time taking off the rear plastics so it probably took a bit longer than it should have, about 1 hour.

February 10th, 2009, 07:44 PM	#105
Sound Wave Ramen Rider Name: Gary Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2015 BMW R1200R, 08 Honda VFR800A (sold), 09 Ninja 250R (sold) Posts: A lot.	i like that little plate LED light. pretty bright?

February 10th, 2009, 09:28 PM	#106
k-os ninjette.org sage Name: Andy Location: Sheboygan, WI Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 1988 Honda Hawk NT650, 1989 Honda Hawk NT650, 1997 GSXR750 Track Bike Posts: 890	I haven't had it on at all during the night. I just made sure it worked. I'll check it out tomorrow.

February 11th, 2009, 11:47 PM	#108
k-os ninjette.org sage Name: Andy Location: Sheboygan, WI Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 1988 Honda Hawk NT650, 1989 Honda Hawk NT650, 1997 GSXR750 Track Bike Posts: 890	As shown in my posts above, I would highly recommend it. I definitely think it was worth the $90. Cleans it up so well, and the install is easy.

February 17th, 2009, 02:17 AM	#113
Blue Ninja 250R ninjette.org member Name: Stanley Location: Kedah, Malaysia Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): Kawasaki Ninja 250R 2008 Posts: 80	Off topic, any one have the complete dimension for front and rear stand or any link that I can refer to.........?

February 23rd, 2009, 05:45 PM	#115
grandmaster ninjette.org member Name: Levi Location: St. George, Utah Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250R, CR125R Posts: 191	The Cut: Okay...so i got thinking today that i want to eliminate the rear fender (already did the basic cut like the very first post in the thread) I just don't like the way it sticks out with the plate light and everything on there. So......here are my thoughts....is it possible and do ya think it will work? If so I can do a DIY for it. I want to take the fender (as pictured above) and use that as a mold for a fiberglass piece, I will drill holes in the side to incorporate 2 LED strips for blinkers. I would just paint the whole thing black. Might even be a possiblitly to do the black top piece out of fiberglass. Then I would just mount the plate with the "L" brackets like the others have done. So what do you think? Could it work?

February 23rd, 2009, 10:51 PM	#117
grandmaster ninjette.org member Name: Levi Location: St. George, Utah Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250R, CR125R Posts: 191	Well I have some experience with fiber glass, so I think it will probably work. I am trying to keep cost down so Carbon fiber isn't an option Anywho, I will probably get it all done then just throw a few coats of some good spray semi-gloss black spray paint. Anybody got any suggestions for some rear flush mounts (preferably LED')? Something small that is still bright. I will do some more searching and let you all know if I end up doing it. And If i do the DIY will be on its way.

February 24th, 2009, 01:18 AM	#118
00v_Lucky ninjette.org sage Name: Howard Location: Cypress, So. Cal. Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): '09 Candy Thunder Blue Ninja 250R Posts: 618	what do you guys think about the people that put their plate inside of the wheel well. I know that is illegal but, are cops that anal? here in so. cali. its very common. thoughts?

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