My first time at Buttonwillow pics

EddieNewYork · September 23rd, 2011, 04:20 PM

I did my 2nd trackday at Buttonwillow and I wrecked on Sunset my third session 2nd lap. My front end tucked. Are they're better tires than bt-003?

Here's some pics before the crash.

randy328 · September 23rd, 2011, 04:53 PM

We race the BT003s. Use BT003R front (120) and BT003RS rear (140). Never had a slippage/tucking issue. Tire pressure is critical on the track, what were you running?

Dr. Ew · September 23rd, 2011, 06:01 PM

Nice white track suit. What brand is it? How did your gear handle going down?

EddieNewYork · September 23rd, 2011, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randy328

We race the BT003s. Use BT003R front (120) and BT003RS rear (140). Never had a slippage/tucking issue. Tire pressure is critical on the track, what were you running?

I'm currently running BT003RS (140) for the rear and BT003F (110) in the front. I don't know what the F stands for though.

I guess I'll move up to the 120 in the front then.

For tire pressures I was running... 27 cold in the rear and 29 cold in the front.

EddieNewYork · September 23rd, 2011, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Ew

Nice white track suit. What brand is it? How did your gear handle going down?

Thx

My gear
Aplinestars SP 1 suit
Alpinestars SP 2 gloves
Alpinestars SMX 5 boots
Arai RX-Q helmet
Forcefield Extreme Harness Flite chest and back protector
KNOX Multi Sport armored shorts

My gear held up awesome!! Not a single tear and not a scratch on me.

I took a hard impact to the center of my chest and the back of my helmet has a impact mark. I'll take some pics after I clean everything up so you guys can see it.

Alex · September 23rd, 2011, 09:17 PM

I'm pretty sure the flappers (feel like a pro) bikes are using 110's up front, but some have moved to Pirellis rather than the b-stones.

EddieNewYork · September 23rd, 2011, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

I'm pretty sure the flappers (feel like a pro) bikes are using 110's up front, but some have moved to Pirellis rather than the b-stones.

Which Pirellis?

Alex · September 24th, 2011, 06:44 AM

I thought Supercorsas, but don't quote me on that.

LazinCajun · September 24th, 2011, 07:25 AM

RaceBikeRentals · September 24th, 2011, 09:24 AM

A BT003RS is a great tire for Buttonwillow, and can run at lap record speeds. Its likely that another factor caused your crash, such as cold tire temps, running over a rough patch of track (there are many at Bwillow), or loading the front in the wrong spot (easy to do). Great pics!

randy328 · September 24th, 2011, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EddieNewYork

I'm currently running BT003RS (140) for the rear and BT003F (110) in the front. I don't know what the F stands for though.

I guess I'll move up to the 120 in the front then.

For tire pressures I was running... 27 cold in the rear and 29 cold in the front.

Those pressures should be fine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaceBikeRentals

A BT003RS is a great tire for Buttonwillow, and can run at lap record speeds. Its likely that another factor caused your crash, such as cold tire temps, running over a rough patch of track (there are many at Bwillow), or loading the front in the wrong spot (easy to do). Great pics!

+1

ratlab · September 24th, 2011, 05:38 PM

i was told 25/25 for the bridgestones-they are ok for smooth surfaces,but at buttonwillow i also had a problems with bump sliding and the front tucking-switched to supercorsas-front is a 110 but unfortunately rear only comes in a 150-tire pinches on rim,feels kind of stange handling wise,but stick like crazy and absorb the bumps way better-some guys are using the supercorsa front with the bridgestone rear with good results-i do like the feel of the bridgestone rear so i think i'm going to try that combination

binlagin · September 24th, 2011, 07:28 PM

Have you thought about getting clip-on handlebars? Your upper body looks like it could be leaned off the bike a lil-more, reducing lean angle.

Excellent shots and great suit

White suits look the best

Rexbo · September 25th, 2011, 10:37 PM

After having tried both the bridgestones and (for the first time this weekend) the michelins, the pirelli supercorsa sc1 is for sure the best tire in a 110 size for the ninja. BT-003rs grip is definitely below either the pirelli or michelin, and the michelin feels almost "bouncy" even after airing down. I'd say that the michelins and pirellis have comparable grip, but the pirelli offers much better feel and predictability for the same price. I ran the BT-003 rear tire for a long long time and never had problems so go with that, since I'm not sure I like how the 150 rear michelin is holding up.

Hey now that your stock bodywork is trash, get some race plastics and come race with CVMA

EddieNewYork · September 26th, 2011, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LazinCajun

Thank you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaceBikeRentals

A BT003RS is a great tire for Buttonwillow, and can run at lap record speeds. Its likely that another factor caused your crash, such as cold tire temps, running over a rough patch of track (there are many at Bwillow), or loading the front in the wrong spot (easy to do). Great pics!

Thanks Richard, yeah idk my buddy was chasing me on his CBR600RR and he went down a 1/2 after I did... he was on Q2s.

Quote:

Originally Posted by randy328

Those pressures should be fine.

+1

Cool thx!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratlab

i was told 25/25 for the bridgestones-they are ok for smooth surfaces,but at buttonwillow i also had a problems with bump sliding and the front tucking-switched to supercorsas-front is a 110 but unfortunately rear only comes in a 150-tire pinches on rim,feels kind of stange handling wise,but stick like crazy and absorb the bumps way better-some guys are using the supercorsa front with the bridgestone rear with good results-i do like the feel of the bridgestone rear so i think i'm going to try that combination

Thx, so you tried the supercorsas 150 in the rear and liked them better or are you going to stay with bt003rs 140 in the rear?

Quote:

Originally Posted by binlagin

Have you thought about getting clip-on handlebars? Your upper body looks like it could be leaned off the bike a lil-more, reducing lean angle.

Excellent shots and great suit

White suits look the best

I have a set of wc clipons (friend gave them to me), but didn't think it really mattered too much so I didn't put them on. I do agree with you, I'm still working on my body position. I need to work on getting my head lower and more off. After looking at my pics... I saw my butt was too much off the seat, I had half my butt off, when I should of had only a quarter off.

And thx, yeah luv white sutis.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rexbo

After having tried both the bridgestones and (for the first time this weekend) the michelins, the pirelli supercorsa sc1 is for sure the best tire in a 110 size for the ninja. BT-003rs grip is definitely below either the pirelli or michelin, and the michelin feels almost "bouncy" even after airing down. I'd say that the michelins and pirellis have comparable grip, but the pirelli offers much better feel and predictability for the same price. I ran the BT-003 rear tire for a long long time and never had problems so go with that, since I'm not sure I like how the 150 rear michelin is holding up.

Hey now that your stock bodywork is trash, get some race plastics and come race with CVMA

Thx Rexbo, so it's ok to go with the pirelli supercorsa sc1 110 in the front and keep the BT003RS 140 in the rear?

I wish I could do more track days but my funds are limited.

Nemesis · September 27th, 2011, 05:55 AM

Good stuff man! Get rid of the stock exhaust and if you're still running stock peg get rid of those and replace them with adjustable rearsets.

Rexbo · September 27th, 2011, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EddieNewYork

Thx Rexbo, so it's ok to go with the pirelli supercorsa sc1 110 in the front and keep the BT003RS 140 in the rear?

I wish I could do more track days but my funds are limited.

Thats what I ran all year and never ever had a problem with the combo. The front wheel grips like crazy, and only just started chattering after 14+ track days and race weekends. The rear wheel will slide before the front gives way, but in a VERY predictable way, which was awesome since it was really easy to steer the bike that way.

Basically the ultimate budget combo I think, since both the pirelli and michelin 150 rear tires are more expensive and their extra grip may not be worth it.

EddieNewYork · September 28th, 2011, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemesis

Good stuff man! Get rid of the stock exhaust and if you're still running stock peg get rid of those and replace them with adjustable rearsets.

Thanks bro!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rexbo

Thats what I ran all year and never ever had a problem with the combo. The front wheel grips like crazy, and only just started chattering after 14+ track days and race weekends. The rear wheel will slide before the front gives way, but in a VERY predictable way, which was awesome since it was really easy to steer the bike that way.

Basically the ultimate budget combo I think, since both the pirelli and michelin 150 rear tires are more expensive and their extra grip may not be worth it.

Awesome, that's what I'm going to do then.

Rexbo · September 28th, 2011, 06:45 PM

just be careful, with the stickier tires and stock suspension, you're eventually going to hit the kickstand & sensor mount, and the results are ugly. Take them off and you'll get a little more clearance before a track day.

EddieNewYork · September 28th, 2011, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rexbo

just be careful, with the stickier tires and stock suspension, you're eventually going to hit the kickstand & sensor mount, and the results are ugly. Take them off and you'll get a little more clearance before a track day.

Thx for the tip. I will do that.

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September 24th, 2011, 09:24 AM	#10
RaceBikeRentals Pimpin Name: Richard Location: Ninja 250 Whorehouse Join Date: Nov 2008 Motorcycle(s): Bunch of em Posts: 973	A BT003RS is a great tire for Buttonwillow, and can run at lap record speeds. Its likely that another factor caused your crash, such as cold tire temps, running over a rough patch of track (there are many at Bwillow), or loading the front in the wrong spot (easy to do). Great pics! __________________________________________________ -Richard MotoList.com <<<List your stuff!

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binlagin ninjette.org member Name: Ben Location: Ottawa Join Date: Jul 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2005 CBR600RR Posts: 132	Have you thought about getting clip-on handlebars? Your upper body looks like it could be leaned off the bike a lil-more, reducing lean angle. Excellent shots and great suit White suits look the best __________________________________________________ 2005 CBR600RR - 2:19 Calabogie Motorsports Park, Ontario, Canada

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Dr. Ew Yoshi Name: Dr. Ew Location: Visalia, CA Join Date: Jan 2011 Motorcycle(s): 11 Ninja 250 Posts: 63	Nice white track suit. What brand is it? How did your gear handle going down?

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ratlab ratlab Name: reese Location: tracy, ca Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): gsxr1000,R3x2,RC390,FZ07,XR100 Posts: 132	i was told 25/25 for the bridgestones-they are ok for smooth surfaces,but at buttonwillow i also had a problems with bump sliding and the front tucking-switched to supercorsas-front is a 110 but unfortunately rear only comes in a 150-tire pinches on rim,feels kind of stange handling wise,but stick like crazy and absorb the bumps way better-some guys are using the supercorsa front with the bridgestone rear with good results-i do like the feel of the bridgestone rear so i think i'm going to try that combination

September 25th, 2011, 10:37 PM	#14
Rexbo CVMA / AFM / M1GP #250 Name: Steve Location: Los Angeles Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r, 2011 Zero S, 2009 KLR 650 Posts: A lot.	After having tried both the bridgestones and (for the first time this weekend) the michelins, the pirelli supercorsa sc1 is for sure the best tire in a 110 size for the ninja. BT-003rs grip is definitely below either the pirelli or michelin, and the michelin feels almost "bouncy" even after airing down. I'd say that the michelins and pirellis have comparable grip, but the pirelli offers much better feel and predictability for the same price. I ran the BT-003 rear tire for a long long time and never had problems so go with that, since I'm not sure I like how the 150 rear michelin is holding up. Hey now that your stock bodywork is trash, get some race plastics and come race with CVMA

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Nemesis CVMA #74 WSMC #750 Name: Nemesis Location: On the track Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): All of them Posts: A lot.	Good stuff man! Get rid of the stock exhaust and if you're still running stock peg get rid of those and replace them with adjustable rearsets.

September 28th, 2011, 06:45 PM	#19
Rexbo CVMA / AFM / M1GP #250 Name: Steve Location: Los Angeles Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250r, 2011 Zero S, 2009 KLR 650 Posts: A lot.	just be careful, with the stickier tires and stock suspension, you're eventually going to hit the kickstand & sensor mount, and the results are ugly. Take them off and you'll get a little more clearance before a track day.