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Old November 13th, 2015, 07:43 AM   #1
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Beyond reckless

As you know I am not too keen on draconian law enforcement, however these two clowns should be banged up for a couple of years with their licenses in the shredder.
Undertaking trucks on the hard shoulder at near 180mph won't be the only undertaking going on
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Old November 13th, 2015, 08:26 AM   #2
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Old November 13th, 2015, 08:56 AM   #3
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Old November 13th, 2015, 09:53 AM   #4
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They seem to be ready for the next Isle of Man TT.

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Old November 13th, 2015, 12:32 PM   #6
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300 Without riding gear.
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Old November 13th, 2015, 02:08 PM   #7
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300 Without riding gear.
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At that 185-190mph spot, I'm not sure if gear'll save you.
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Old November 13th, 2015, 02:13 PM   #8
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At that 185-190mph spot, I'm not sure if gear'll save you.
Yes, it will. I have seen a rider slide over 500ft. The rider left with a broken back from a wall impact, but no rash. Without gear, he surely would have died at the scene.
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Old November 13th, 2015, 02:45 PM   #10
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Old November 13th, 2015, 05:06 PM   #11
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Yes, it will. I have seen a rider slide over 500ft. The rider left with a broken back from a wall impact, but no rash. Without gear, he surely would have died at the scene.
sheesh dude, he alright?
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Yep, at home and currently rehabbing the injury and will have to wear a back brace for the next 2yrs most likely. :\

The back protector is being credited for him not folding up like a wet paper towel when he hit the wall.

Not bad really considering 2 riders went down at 145mph at the track. The incident ended EVERYONE's track day... because both ambulances had to leave the track. The track cannot run sessions without at least one ambulance onsite. Nobody really cared that much though, we all had a beer for their safe and quick return home.
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Oh man, glad he's alive and getting well. Im only 16, so no beer, but i'll have a glass of chocolate milk in his respects, as well as the others.
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Old November 13th, 2015, 05:32 PM   #14
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Old November 13th, 2015, 05:39 PM   #15
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300 Without riding gear.
RIP.
Top half is geared up, there's a speed hump on the jacket (so very likely it's armoured leather), helmet & gloves. Jeans & trainers aren't a good idea but the blade pilot is at least partially geared up.

Playing on the hard shoulder of a 60-80mph road at near 200 is asking to become a speed bump for whoever you've passed, in that case even the best gear money can buy will just hold everything in a human shaped bag...
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Old November 17th, 2015, 07:04 PM   #17
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That appears to be a lot of trust in the existence of clear shoulders and the adequacy of grip on those nice painted lines.
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At that 185-190mph spot, I'm not sure if gear'll save you.
Already addressed earlier in the thread, but keep in mind plenty of gear is designed for actual racers. Mere mortals might not hit these speeds often, but the gear is up to the task - unless you the consumer choose to buy less protective equipment.
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I guess I'm just callous, but are the potential endings really sad for these guys? As long as they don't make it a team sport, so to speak, I struggle to feel sympathetic. The externalities are a different story though.
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Already addressed earlier in the thread, but keep in mind plenty of gear is designed for actual racers. Mere mortals might not hit these speeds often, but the gear is up to the task - unless you the consumer choose to buy less protective equipment.
No racing gear can deal with a 190 mph impact. Even a 40 mph impact into an immovable object with your noggin will be life-altering, and often fatal. The benefit that racers have is that they are riding in an area where run-off area is designed to absorb mistakes, and is as free as possible of obstacles to hit unexpectedly. Yes - there have been racers that have crashed at or above 200 mph and walked away; but that is because they were sliding for hundreds of feet, decelerating smoothly the whole time, and their gear protected their skin.

If one crashes in a random area on the street, the likelihood that they can lose control at these speeds and slide harmlessly to a stop without hitting anything (or being hit by something) isn't something I'd bet on.
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Old November 18th, 2015, 09:00 AM   #20
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If one crashes in a random area on the street, the likelihood that they can lose control at these speeds and slide harmlessly to a stop without hitting anything (or being hit by something) isn't something I'd bet on.
Witness the 200 fatalities at the TT races on normal roads.
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No racing gear can deal with a 190 mph impact. Even a 40 mph impact into an immovable object with your noggin will be life-altering, and often fatal. The benefit that racers have is that they are riding in an area where run-off area is designed to absorb mistakes, and is as free as possible of obstacles to hit unexpectedly. Yes - there have been racers that have crashed at or above 200 mph and walked away; but that is because they were sliding for hundreds of feet, decelerating smoothly the whole time, and their gear protected their skin.

If one crashes in a random area on the street, the likelihood that they can lose control at these speeds and slide harmlessly to a stop without hitting anything (or being hit by something) isn't something I'd bet on.
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No racing gear can deal with a 190 mph impact. Even a 40 mph impact into an immovable object with your noggin will be life-altering, and often fatal. The benefit that racers have is that they are riding in an area where run-off area is designed to absorb mistakes, and is as free as possible of obstacles to hit unexpectedly. Yes - there have been racers that have crashed at or above 200 mph and walked away; but that is because they were sliding for hundreds of feet, decelerating smoothly the whole time, and their gear protected their skin.

If one crashes in a random area on the street, the likelihood that they can lose control at these speeds and slide harmlessly to a stop without hitting anything (or being hit by something) isn't something I'd bet on.
A 190mph crash doesn't guarantee a 190mph impact of the sort you're describing. I don't disagree with you, but I don't think we're discussing the same thing. I offered unfortunately vague terms - "the task" - and you offered a very specific scenario.

On the topic of TT crashes, how about Guy Martin's big highside from earlier this year:

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No racing gear can deal with a 190 mph impact. Even a 40 mph impact into an immovable object with your noggin will be life-altering, and often fatal. The benefit that racers have is that they are riding in an area where run-off area is designed to absorb mistakes, and is as free as possible of obstacles to hit unexpectedly. Yes - there have been racers that have crashed at or above 200 mph and walked away; but that is because they were sliding for hundreds of feet, decelerating smoothly the whole time, and their gear protected their skin.

If one crashes in a random area on the street, the likelihood that they can lose control at these speeds and slide harmlessly to a stop without hitting anything (or being hit by something) isn't something I'd bet on.
Exactly what i meant, not a slide, but a crash. You hit a car going that fast, well....good luck to ya.
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A 190mph crash doesn't guarantee a 190mph impact of the sort you're describing. I don't disagree with you, but I don't think we're discussing the same thing. I offered unfortunately vague terms - "the task" - and you offered a very specific scenario.
Sorry, I completely disagree. You implied that if they bought expensive racing gear instead of consumer gear they'd be measurably safer:

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Already addressed earlier in the thread, but keep in mind plenty of gear is designed for actual racers. Mere mortals might not hit these speeds often, but the gear is up to the task - unless you the consumer choose to buy less protective equipment.
At those speeds on the street, I believe that statement to be completely wrong. It's just a random crapshoot of what you hit and at what speed at that time; the quality of the gear is a much lower determinant. It would only come into play once the speeds came down quite a bit, and one piece of gear might last longer before sliding through, or provided slightly better impact protection in a survivable impact.
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