0-60 Challenge: Why My 250 is Potentially Faster Than Your 250!

[alex.s]

curse yourself or having chode as your username.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

That's the thing. We know the speedo is about 8% hopeful on a pregen. We can correct for that. The trick is figuring out a fair error based on how far off the indicated readings from pregen a to pregen b to pregen c are.

I think there is too much variance between bikes to make a real general rule. All we can know for sure is that no ones speedo is correct

The only way to find out your true error is to use a GPS or other outside factor to judge your real speed.

[choneofakind]

Yeah i plan to attach a gps to the tank over Easter break and see what the difference is between indicated and actual, and then see how far those are from the numbers on the speed@rpm calculator on faq.ninja250.org If they're the same, I'll change the assumed error to ±0.25 seconds.

[Jiggles]

Why not just see what speed indicated = 60 with the GPS? Then just do 0-65 or w/e it ends up being

[choneofakind]

That's the plan but that still leaves the issue of how precise the speedo is, if you're going for super perfect results.

[Jiggles]

My speedo does not waver when I'm riding. I'm fairly certain its measurements are repeatable and accurate

[Jiggles]

Want to cut these times in half? Get a 650

Skip to 1 minute 58 seconds

Link to original page on YouTube.

[choneofakind]

haha kinda helps that there's only one shift

[Alex]

Originally Posted by trixter

As I understand it they are all repeatable but they have a varying percentage error. So once you know the error for your specific bike/install you will know the real vs indicated speed.

Yup, this is correct.

[Jiggles]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

haha kinda helps that there's only one shift

Yea and I totally forgot to do it clutchless haha. I should change the gearing a bit so I can 0-60 in first

Or maybe do the whole run in second

[etiainen]

I will do the CBR. I just need to find a camera:| All I currently have in the camera department is my cell phone. Ideas?

[choneofakind]

GoPro!! I'll admit, it's a little better than my Flip HD because it shoots 60 frames/second and has soooo many more mounting possibilities.


or you could just mount the cell phone on the bike I guess.

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by etiainen

I will do the CBR. I just need to find a camera:| All I currently have in the camera department is my cell phone. Ideas?

I've used that clear packing tape before. Maybe you can make a little right angle framework out of cardboard and use the clear tape to secure it to the gas tank. Just make sure you remove it when you're done to prevent marring.

[etiainen]

Ok, I'll give it a try once I ride back from Georgia. Thanks

[choneofakind]

SIDE NOTE: anyone know why the heck this video is blocked in some countries? I checked my youtube account, and there's the little symbol that means it's blocked in some countries. wth?? what did I do??

[choneofakind]

idk. I took no ownership of the rights, I registered the song so that it shows up on the bottom right of the video box for purchase on Amazon like you're supposed to. idk?

[etiainen]

Because of 'chode'

[etiainen]

Rode with the GPS today.

The CBR's speedo is dead on.

60MPH indicated is 60MPH.

The tach is not accurate according to gearing commander. I can live with that.

[CZroe]

Originally Posted by choneofakind

idk. I took no ownership of the rights, I registered the song so that it shows up on the bottom right of the video box for purchase on Amazon like you're supposed to. idk?

You've got it completely backwards. The alternative is not being allowed to post the video at all. Youtube, Amazon, and some content providers have an arrangement to allow it anyway within their jurisdiction as long as you have done what you've done, but you still used a copyrighted song that you have no right to and gave it away for free.

It's always funny to see the kids that think that all they have to do is say who owns it or created it. I don't know where they got that idea and yet I see them all over Youtube. "I did not make this!" as if that matters when they stole it and gave it away for free. The kid running that CronicTV site for Android and iOS with all the TV shows gets it even worse by attributing copyright to the network the show comes on. :P

[akima]

Originally Posted by CZroe

You've got it completely backwards. The alternative is not being allowed to post the video at all. Youtube, Amazon, and some content providers have an arrangement to allow it anyway within their jurisdiction as long as you have done what you've done, but you still used a copyrighted song that you have no right to and gave it away for free.

It's always funny to see the kids that think that all they have to do is say who owns it or created it. I don't know where they got that idea and yet I see them all over Youtube. "I did not make this!" as if that matters when they stole it and gave it away for free. The kid running that CronicTV site for Android and iOS with all the TV shows gets it even worse by attributing copyright to the network the show comes on. :P

This raises a more interesting point to me: that in our (UK + USA) legal systems, it's possible to commit a crime without realising. There is a growing disparity between the correlation between our shared moral code (largely natural law) and the current legal systems we live under. In the UK at least, new laws are created constantly and are written in a language that is incomprehensible to most people (legalese). It's unreasonable to expect people to keep up with and comprehend all the laws that they are subjected to.

Personally when I share and copy something without permission from the legal-copyright holder, I don't feel the slightest bit of guilt or in any way feel I have done something wrong. I imagine most these kids posting these videos on youtube feel the same, but furthermore they don't even know that the laws they live under forbid what they are doing. I personally don't blame those kids for their mistakes... if any legal action is taken against them, I would consider them victims of their legal systems.

[NathanUc]

I did a couple runs the other day with my new gauge. The 0-60 power test is a bid odd because while the speedo only updates every half a second or so, I think it still stops it on time. I tested this a bit with the "speeding" light. I also GPS'd my koso and the speedo is dead on.

Regardless, my fastest was 0-63 @ 6.24. No idea why it stopped it at 63 but even all my other runs were over 6.24.

I'll practice my launches a bit this weekend more as I know she can do better.

[akima]

Originally Posted by trixter

There are many many many more examples of things like this and the kicker is that none of it is authorized per the constitution. Most people in the US do not even realize that the US is 50 member states in a union and that the union government is, per the constitution, less powerful than any individual member state. Because they do not know the government has taken power it does not rightfully have. We then get wonderful things like assassination lists, warrantless wiretaps, the TSA, and more.

I think that lots of people pretty much sleep-walk as their governments garner ever more power. If this pattern continues, it's not gonna end well! I wish you luck, over there in the states

[etiainen]

So my brother and I set up the crappiest video mount ever. The glare for my first runs made it hard to see, but I managed to use iMovie and get some preliminary results(I really need a GoPro lol)

Fastest time was 7.6. That was with quite a launch. I also managed a 7.7. 8-8.5 was more typical. I did 8.3 a few times in a row. One crappy run clocked me at over 9.

So not super fast, but definitely not as slow as a Prius. Of the line, it does well, but over 45MPH things slow down a bit.

So, yes my old Ninjette was faster, but I am more than pleased with the results. Took a lot of runs though to get my times below 8. And only barely so.

It was nice having 60MPH indicated as 60MPH actual.

[akima]

Originally Posted by trixter

I think all too often people demand the government take more power then get upset when it does. They demand that the constitution be violated to get what the want then get upset when the same logic is used to violate the parts they like.

If people stop demanding the government do more for them maybe there will be less need for an all powerful government.

I think you're right. I personally like to take responsibility for myself and I consider myself an adult: for me, that means I don't go asking the government to play a daddy role and look after me. Instead I expect to have to solve my problems myself and support people around me too.

I would be more happy with my government if it was much smaller, more decentralised (so individuals feel more empowered) and less aggressive (so it didn't send people out to foreign countries to "help" other people with bombs or attack bad people who might attack us).

I guess though, it is what it is and there is still a lot of freedom left right now for us to enjoy. I kinda have the attitude that I should make the most of my time now as I don't expect it will be like this forever.

I'm not Christian, but I do like this:

God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
Courage to change the things I can,
And wisdom to know the difference.

I feel like it applies here. I must not get upset up about the bad things my government is doing that I can't change. I should instead focus on the things I can change.

Originally Posted by trixter

Good luck in your States, the EU is trying to convert its member states into a US style of government much more rapidly than it happened here. This financial crisis is just what they need to take the Lisbon accord to the next level.

Tell me about it! It's really nasty. The British Gov didn't even give the British people a vote on whether we wanted to fundamentally change the structure of our government when the Lisbon treaty was being considered. We even have an EU president-of-sorts now lol: Herman Van Rompuy

We're totally thread jacking right now lol (sorry toad-of-a-kind!). We should take this to pm or off-topic if you want to continue our pointless discussion

[massacremasses]

^ they apparently dont remember the 5th of November... Perhaps something like that needs to be done successfully to get them to wake up...

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by etiainen

So, yes my old Ninjette was faster, but I am more than pleased with the results. Took a lot of runs though to get my times below 8. And only barely so.

It was nice having 60MPH indicated as 60MPH actual.

I have heard rumors of mods that can be done to the stock CBR250 to significantly improve its performance. Supposedly one guy made the mods to his CBR250 and actually beat out some Ninjas. Sounds kinda far fetched though. But if its true, it probably involves reprogramming the ECU somehow. I think he also changed his muffler too.

[Racer x]

I went to the drag strip today. I had a couple problems that where easy to sort out. But I did not get to do anything with the 0-60 challenge. My Koso dash was not reading properly. I was going 88mph and the gauge read 34. I replaced the magnets in the wheel and it is working now. My exhaust was a little restricted with the baffle I made. And I did not do any tuning.

But from looking at my time slip. 9.9seconds to go an 1/8 of a mile and I was going 71mph. The bike can do much better, But I figure for my first try. Maybe 0-60 in 9 seconds?

[choneofakind]

Well besides the whole music-in-my-video issue, it looks like we're getting some interesting results here recently!! good to see the CBR guys chipping in their numbers as well! Keep 'em coming guys (and gals )

[robmilchling]

I'll have to give this a go when I get a chance, perhaps tomorrow.

[n4mwd]

Originally Posted by Racer x

But from looking at my time slip. 9.9seconds to go an 1/8 of a mile and I was going 71mph. The bike can do much better, But I figure for my first try. Maybe 0-60 in 9 seconds?

I'm sure you will do better than 9 seconds for a 0-60 run. Time to set up the camera and go for it. That way you can know for sure.

[Racer x]

Originally Posted by n4mwd

I'm sure you will do better than 9 seconds for a 0-60 run. Time to set up the camera and go for it. That way you can know for sure.

I had a problem with the dash. Bad magnets in the new wheel. I fixed that with new ones. I think it can do much better. We will see

[alex.s]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btMh6...ailpage#t=526s

faster than jiggles.

[Jiggles]

Everything is faster than me right now

[akima]

Originally Posted by alex.s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btMh6...ailpage#t=526s

faster than jiggles.

I was swaying side to side in my seat while watching you take those turns Who was the guy you thanked? An instructor?

[alex.s]

his name is stu-man. he was an instructor at keith codes school for like 15 years or something. hes the NRS instructor but he also gave me some really great advice

[akima]

Originally Posted by alex.s

his name is stu-man. he was an instructor at keith codes school for like 15 years or something. hes the NRS instructor but he also gave me some really great advice

Any snippets of advice you can easily relay in text format for a curious forest dwelling creature?

[alex.s]

not really. be methodical. keep good track of your braking and turn in points. look further ahead. listen to what the bike tells you. it tells you a lot if you pay attention to it. i wont pretend i understand much of what it says, but listening and trying to understand helps.

[akima]

Originally Posted by alex.s

not really. be methodical. keep good track of your braking and turn in points. look further ahead. listen to what the bike tells you. it tells you a lot if you pay attention to it. i wont pretend i understand much of what it says, but listening and trying to understand helps.

Thanks. Seems like good advice to me. Can't wait to try out a track day.

I noticed you put your kick stand down at the end. I thought a lot of you regular track-day-goers sawed the stand off to ensure it doesn't ever scrape the ground.

[alex.s]

im not hardcore-parkour like some others

[Jiggles]

So what was the time on that 0-60 run?