Brake Pads

caps · October 3rd, 2011, 07:33 PM

Well I'm about due for some pads and I'm wondering what you guys are using? I was happy with the grip of the stock ones, as I'm not trying to do endo's every time someone pulls out in front of me

However I mostly commute (only about 300 miles a week) so I would like something with a decent lifespan

caps · October 3rd, 2011, 07:45 PM

I'm thinking the EBC Double HH Sintered Brake Pads

Alex · October 3rd, 2011, 09:04 PM

http://www.ninjette.org/wiki/Which_brake_pads

caps · October 4th, 2011, 06:55 AM

so no input on long lasting pads?

dubojr1 · October 4th, 2011, 07:05 AM

The wiki information Alex provided gives you the information on the compounds the pads are made of and how it directly relates to their life span, rotor wear, etc. I'm guessing he wanted you you to choose you own pad after understanding the differences.

Here's another good read if your interested: http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showt...ght=rotor+wear

dale-j · October 4th, 2011, 02:01 PM

I have been quite happy with the friction and life span of the EBC HH pads on numerous different bikes. As a caveat, they will groove rotors if you don't keep an eye on them. If they start to wear poorly (generally due to grit and crap getting embedded in them I think) you just need to take them off and sand them flat with garnet sandpaper, and reinstall them... the pads themselves should last a good long time but they will be slightly more aggressive on the rotors if you don't keep an eye on them.

caps · October 6th, 2011, 08:37 PM

I think I'm gonna order the same pads in the am

caps · October 13th, 2011, 06:32 PM

any break in procedures that I need to be aware of?

CZroe · October 13th, 2011, 06:54 PM

FYI, D2Moto has $5 organic pads. Should be perfectly acceptable for the rear.

caps · October 14th, 2011, 03:40 AM

I wish I knew that earlier! My EBC's are already here

dale-j · October 14th, 2011, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caps

any break in procedures that I need to be aware of?

EBC has some recommendations for bedding the pads in but they also have a coating on them that makes it near foolproof (Brake-in I think they call it)....

IMO this is a good opportunity to change brake fluid as well.

If you haven't done it before you should also deglaze the rotors with some fine garnet sandpaper first. Spray off either way with brake cleaner, (ideally remove calipers and clean around the caliper dust seals and the exposed pistons), either way push the pistons back in to the calipers (may need to suck out some fluid from the master cyl reservoir first), dab a little sil-glyde (caliper lube) or anti seize on the slide pins, and install the new pads. If calipers removed clean threads and retorque to specs when reinstalling...

KELPHYN · October 14th, 2011, 10:20 PM

Tried SBS organic pads, TOTAL CRAP!!! Was going on a road trip and needed pads and thats all I could get in time for trip. Very poor braking in the rain( like non-exsisting) noticable wear on the disc after trip (~2600mi) and grabby at low speeds. Went back to stock OEM pads. First front set lasted 31000/34000 kms and still have the orginals in the rear (52000kms). So happy with the longevity and the overall performance of the stock pads, just a little pricey over aftermarket (about double).

dale-j · October 14th, 2011, 10:25 PM

Factory pads on this bike are sintered. Any organic pad, no matter how good (Even the EBC Kevlar pads) is a big step backward. All you are getting with the EBC HH's is a sintered pad with a little more aggressive coefficient of friction (HH versus GG) so a bit more initial bite and a bit more bite when they get hotter (first letter is cold coefficient, second letter is hot coefficient, higher letters are more bite).

Given that the stock pads are sintered they are good (for stock pads), but you can improve the feel and performance slightly even in cold and wet going to a quality HH sintered pad. Should also be noted that I am partial to EBC's, not all HH's are equal and no two behave exactly the same so it pays to try different brands and talk to friends.

KELPHYN · October 14th, 2011, 10:51 PM

EBC HH pads are what I wanted to try., but after the SBS' I decided to go back to stock because they just seem easier on the disks. After talking to other riders that have tried aftermarket pads of various brands and materials. Just figured OEM suited my needs best.

vkuchhal · October 15th, 2011, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KELPHYN

Tried SBS organic pads, TOTAL CRAP!!! Was going on a road trip and needed pads and thats all I could get in time for trip. Very poor braking in the rain( like non-exsisting) noticable wear on the disc after trip (~2600mi) and grabby at low speeds. Went back to stock OEM pads. First front set lasted 31000/34000 kms and still have the orginals in the rear (52000kms). So happy with the longevity and the overall performance of the stock pads, just a little pricey over aftermarket (about double).

31k and 52k for brake pads.. Is'nt it too much...

Do you every use brakes.. OR are you more of long distance tourer.

Were those the OEM ones..

I heard EBC sintered one are good but they make squeaking sound .. is it true... ?

dale-j · October 15th, 2011, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vkuchhal

31k and 52k for brake pads.. Is'nt it too much...

Do you every use brakes.. OR are you more of long distance tourer.

Were those the OEM ones..

I heard EBC sintered one are good but they make squeaking sound .. is it true... ?

I never get even close to 31K out of a set of pads, but traffic here in Vancouver is a whole lot worse than in Quesnel where Calvin lives. My guess is that he doesn't do a whole lot of stop and go riding in traffic.

I have not had issues with squeaking or squealing with EBC's but if you do get that it may mean that the pad is contaminated with some dirt or grit, or is glazed. That would be a good sign for me to block out (sand on a flat surface with garnet sand paper) the pads and deglaze the rotors, and reinstall. I would do this regardless of the type of pad, if they were squealing.

Steve

KELPHYN · October 15th, 2011, 10:23 AM

I live in a small town, so not alot of stop and go driving. Have one buddy with a gxsr 1000 that gets around the same mileage out of his pads. Also other riding buds that get half that mileage out of theirs. So alot of if it boils down to riding style.

And no I don't use my brakes alot. They only slow you down. We warn other rider that come out with us not to look for our brake lights to come on going into corners because they most likely won't.

Yes they're OEM pads and the rear pads are probably around 30-40% pad left. And yes I use my rear brake, but I have the pedal set up so it goes through more movement and I have to be very aggressive on the peddle to lock it up. Most newer riders have the rear brake set way to sensitive and lock the rear tire to easy. But this is just my prefference as I do most of my braking with front.

caps · October 15th, 2011, 10:55 AM

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?p=388066

October 3rd, 2011, 07:33 PM	#1
caps Sexy Beast Name: Mat Location: Tampa Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R, 2006 ZX-14, 2012 Ducati Monster Posts: A lot.	Brake Pads Well I'm about due for some pads and I'm wondering what you guys are using? I was happy with the grip of the stock ones, as I'm not trying to do endo's every time someone pulls out in front of me However I mostly commute (only about 300 miles a week) so I would like something with a decent lifespan __________________________________________________ 2010 Ninja 250 2006 Ninja ZX-14 ^Both Links

October 3rd, 2011, 07:45 PM	#2
caps Sexy Beast Name: Mat Location: Tampa Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R, 2006 ZX-14, 2012 Ducati Monster Posts: A lot.	I'm thinking the EBC Double HH Sintered Brake Pads __________________________________________________ 2010 Ninja 250 2006 Ninja ZX-14 ^Both Links

October 3rd, 2011, 09:04 PM	#3
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October 4th, 2011, 06:55 AM	#4
caps Sexy Beast Name: Mat Location: Tampa Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R, 2006 ZX-14, 2012 Ducati Monster Posts: A lot.	so no input on long lasting pads? __________________________________________________ 2010 Ninja 250 2006 Ninja ZX-14 ^Both Links

October 4th, 2011, 07:05 AM	#5
dubojr1 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jason Location: Jacksonville, Florida Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 09 Ninja 250R SE, 07 Honda CRF230F, 06 Honda CRF150F Posts: A lot.	The wiki information Alex provided gives you the information on the compounds the pads are made of and how it directly relates to their life span, rotor wear, etc. I'm guessing he wanted you you to choose you own pad after understanding the differences. Here's another good read if your interested: http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showt...ght=rotor+wear __________________________________________________ 09 250R SE: Paying it forward one post at a time! Don't forget to add yourself to our Member Map

October 4th, 2011, 02:01 PM	#6
dale-j ninjette.org member Name: Steve Location: British Columbia, Canada Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2004 Moto Guzzi V11 LeMans, 2001 ZZR250 Posts: 38	I have been quite happy with the friction and life span of the EBC HH pads on numerous different bikes. As a caveat, they will groove rotors if you don't keep an eye on them. If they start to wear poorly (generally due to grit and crap getting embedded in them I think) you just need to take them off and sand them flat with garnet sandpaper, and reinstall them... the pads themselves should last a good long time but they will be slightly more aggressive on the rotors if you don't keep an eye on them.

October 6th, 2011, 08:37 PM	#7
caps Sexy Beast Name: Mat Location: Tampa Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R, 2006 ZX-14, 2012 Ducati Monster Posts: A lot.	I think I'm gonna order the same pads in the am __________________________________________________ 2010 Ninja 250 2006 Ninja ZX-14 ^Both Links

October 13th, 2011, 06:32 PM	#8
caps Sexy Beast Name: Mat Location: Tampa Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R, 2006 ZX-14, 2012 Ducati Monster Posts: A lot.	any break in procedures that I need to be aware of? __________________________________________________ 2010 Ninja 250 2006 Ninja ZX-14 ^Both Links

October 13th, 2011, 06:54 PM	#9
CZroe CPT Falcon Name: J.Emmett Turner Location: Newnan, GA Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): '08 CP Blue EX250J, '97 unpainted EX250F, 2nd '97 unpainted EX250F (no engine), '07 black EX250F Posts: A lot.	FYI, D2Moto has $5 organic pads. Should be perfectly acceptable for the rear.

October 14th, 2011, 03:40 AM	#10
caps Sexy Beast Name: Mat Location: Tampa Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R, 2006 ZX-14, 2012 Ducati Monster Posts: A lot.	I wish I knew that earlier! My EBC's are already here __________________________________________________ 2010 Ninja 250 2006 Ninja ZX-14 ^Both Links

October 14th, 2011, 10:20 PM	#12
KELPHYN ninjette.org guru Name: Calvin Location: Quesnel, B.C Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): '08 250R (sold), 2013 300SE Posts: 276	Tried SBS organic pads, TOTAL CRAP!!! Was going on a road trip and needed pads and thats all I could get in time for trip. Very poor braking in the rain( like non-exsisting) noticable wear on the disc after trip (~2600mi) and grabby at low speeds. Went back to stock OEM pads. First front set lasted 31000/34000 kms and still have the orginals in the rear (52000kms). So happy with the longevity and the overall performance of the stock pads, just a little pricey over aftermarket (about double).

October 14th, 2011, 10:25 PM	#13
dale-j ninjette.org member Name: Steve Location: British Columbia, Canada Join Date: Oct 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2004 Moto Guzzi V11 LeMans, 2001 ZZR250 Posts: 38	Factory pads on this bike are sintered. Any organic pad, no matter how good (Even the EBC Kevlar pads) is a big step backward. All you are getting with the EBC HH's is a sintered pad with a little more aggressive coefficient of friction (HH versus GG) so a bit more initial bite and a bit more bite when they get hotter (first letter is cold coefficient, second letter is hot coefficient, higher letters are more bite). Given that the stock pads are sintered they are good (for stock pads), but you can improve the feel and performance slightly even in cold and wet going to a quality HH sintered pad. Should also be noted that I am partial to EBC's, not all HH's are equal and no two behave exactly the same so it pays to try different brands and talk to friends.

October 14th, 2011, 10:51 PM	#14
KELPHYN ninjette.org guru Name: Calvin Location: Quesnel, B.C Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): '08 250R (sold), 2013 300SE Posts: 276	EBC HH pads are what I wanted to try., but after the SBS' I decided to go back to stock because they just seem easier on the disks. After talking to other riders that have tried aftermarket pads of various brands and materials. Just figured OEM suited my needs best.

October 15th, 2011, 10:23 AM	#17
KELPHYN ninjette.org guru Name: Calvin Location: Quesnel, B.C Join Date: Aug 2009 Motorcycle(s): '08 250R (sold), 2013 300SE Posts: 276	I live in a small town, so not alot of stop and go driving. Have one buddy with a gxsr 1000 that gets around the same mileage out of his pads. Also other riding buds that get half that mileage out of theirs. So alot of if it boils down to riding style. And no I don't use my brakes alot. They only slow you down. We warn other rider that come out with us not to look for our brake lights to come on going into corners because they most likely won't. Yes they're OEM pads and the rear pads are probably around 30-40% pad left. And yes I use my rear brake, but I have the pedal set up so it goes through more movement and I have to be very aggressive on the peddle to lock it up. Most newer riders have the rear brake set way to sensitive and lock the rear tire to easy. But this is just my prefference as I do most of my braking with front.

October 15th, 2011, 10:55 AM	#18
caps Sexy Beast Name: Mat Location: Tampa Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R, 2006 ZX-14, 2012 Ducati Monster Posts: A lot.	http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?p=388066 __________________________________________________ 2010 Ninja 250 2006 Ninja ZX-14 ^Both Links

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