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Old February 15th, 2012, 10:08 AM   #1
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knowing your max lean angle?

I got my boot dragging for the first time over the weekend and it startled me and I almost went wide. I was wondering what indications there are so you know youve reached max lean, or close to it.

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Old February 15th, 2012, 10:14 AM   #2
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Your peg feelers should hit before your boots.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 10:21 AM   #3
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Lean off the bike in the direction of the turn as much as possible and keep your toes on the pegs. Like cowboy said, your boot shouldn't be scraping. The peg feelers will scrape first and the sound they make might freak you out the first few times. Be careful and remember to keep your line no matter what. Furthermore, the street isn't really the place to be scraping pegs, save it for the track, unless you are positive the road is completely clean and debris-free.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 11:14 AM   #4
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Old February 15th, 2012, 11:15 AM   #5
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If you crash, remember the lean angle you were at, and lean less next time.

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Old February 15th, 2012, 11:26 AM   #6
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If you remember one thing, make it this: It is always better to lean too far and slide out/lowside in the middle of a curve than to go wide and drive head on into whatever may be on the side of the road. If you get that stomach dropping feeling (yes, you all know what I'm talking about) that you are about to go too wide, lean off the bike more, look further into the curve, and countersteer harder.

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Old February 15th, 2012, 11:43 AM   #7
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move your feet back so you are on the balls of your feet with the outside of your feet no farther than the outside of the peg, that way your toes wont drag. max lean angle is when you start scraping things. after that, lean or hang off the bike and youll get more turn out of your lean angle. after that, start relocating things that scrape like by getting rearsets and a highmount exhaust so you can lean more
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Old February 15th, 2012, 11:59 AM   #8
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i've scraped my boots before the pegs on a number of occasions
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Old February 15th, 2012, 12:14 PM   #9
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exactly

body positioning is key. watch twist of the wrist II.
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Old February 15th, 2012, 12:18 PM   #10
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maybe you should trade in your current ridding boots



for something that doesnt stick out quite so far. ...
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Old February 15th, 2012, 12:43 PM   #11
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maybe you should trade in your current ridding boots



for something that doesnt stick out quite so far. ...
lol funny. I have A* SMX-5 boots. so comfy, but i'll buy the waterproof version next time
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Old February 15th, 2012, 01:04 PM   #12
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i've scraped my boots before the paws on a number of occasions
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Old February 15th, 2012, 01:10 PM   #13
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I've scraped my boots and my pegs a couple of times. Can't wait to get SS and get down lower.
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Old February 16th, 2012, 01:05 PM   #14
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I scrape my foot pegs before my boots. Scraped the kickstand once and THAT was terrifying.

To indicate how far my lean is, I use my knee (The whole purpose of putting a knee out I believe?). I can feel when it's too far when it starts to feel weird grinding my knee puck (not flush)
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Old February 16th, 2012, 01:09 PM   #15
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Can't wait to get SS and get down lower.
they only lean like 5 degrees more. unless you get into gp bikes.
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Tried first attempt to knee drag the other day (on public road, but clear of traffic, debris and the weather was awesome) but it hit my peg feelers. Thinking the feelers were just in my way, got back home, took it off and took it again for a spin on the same road the other coming week.

Still haven't touched my sliders. lol.

I'm using stock IRC tyres. Maybe the size and the tyres were not suitable?

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Old May 12th, 2016, 07:21 PM   #17
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Thats because your riding position is wrong. Get your ass off the seat, shift your body into the turn not the bike.

Racers drag because they are trying to carry the most speed through a turn. To do that you want as little lean angle on the bike while still turning. You get to the inside of the bike and hang off, it pulls the bike that direction allowing more speed till you touch the ground before the bike.

On the other hand if you go slow and push the bike over in a counter steer position the bike has no speed and max angle, dragging the bike but not you.

There is no reason to want to drag your knee. If you want speed through a turn fine but do it at a track because you clearly are not experienced enough to control the bike and are going to get hurt. . . and apparently you are going to do it where no one is around to call you an ambulance.
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Old May 12th, 2016, 08:23 PM   #18
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Thats because your riding position is wrong. Get your ass off the seat, shift your body into the turn not the bike.

Racers drag because they are trying to carry the most speed through a turn. To do that you want as little lean angle on the bike while still turning. You get to the inside of the bike and hang off, it pulls the bike that direction allowing more speed till you touch the ground before the bike.

On the other hand if you go slow and push the bike over in a counter steer position the bike has no speed and max angle, dragging the bike but not you.

There is no reason to want to drag your knee. If you want speed through a turn fine but do it at a track because you clearly are not experienced enough to control the bike and are going to get hurt. . . and apparently you are going to do it where no one is around to call you an ambulance.
To add to this, something I noticed in my last two races.

The faster I go, the less my knee touches. Matter of fact, my fastest race on the day, my knee never touched asphalt.
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I got my boot dragging for the first time over the weekend and it startled me and I almost went wide. I was wondering what indications there are so you know youve reached max lean, or close to it.

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You might want to adjust your riding position. Are you maybe riding crossed up? If so, the center of gravity of your bike won't be centralized so you would have to compensate by leaning more. It sounds like you were leaned further than you had to be for that turn.
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To add to this, something I noticed in my last two races.

The faster I go, the less my knee touches. Matter of fact, my fastest race on the day, my knee never touched asphalt.
Same here. In quite a few races where ive been within 2-3 seconds of the fastest guys,i almost never touch toes or knees.But, I will almost always drag my toeslider and puck through turn 6 at Summit.
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Thats because your riding position is wrong. Get your ass off the seat, shift your body into the turn not the bike.

Racers drag because they are trying to carry the most speed through a turn. To do that you want as little lean angle on the bike while still turning. You get to the inside of the bike and hang off, it pulls the bike that direction allowing more speed till you touch the ground before the bike.

On the other hand if you go slow and push the bike over in a counter steer position the bike has no speed and max angle, dragging the bike but not you.

There is no reason to want to drag your knee. If you want speed through a turn fine but do it at a track because you clearly are not experienced enough to control the bike and are going to get hurt. . . and apparently you are going to do it where no one is around to call you an ambulance.
Ahha.. thanx Josh
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I got my boot dragging for the first time over the weekend and it startled me and I almost went wide. I was wondering what indications there are so you know youve reached max lean, or close to it.

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Sometimes dragging a boot happens because you have your toes pointed down or hanging off the peg in a weird way. Balls of the feet should be on the pegs and you should move them forward to shift or brake and then back to the "ready" position once again.

If you still drag boot or pegs that is an indication that you are probably using too much lean angle. Racers and track riders use the knee on the ground as lean angle indicators of how far over they are.

Others have mentioned that your body position needs to be correct in order to reduce overall lean angle while riding and to give you more clearance. Hanging off to the inside of the turn and getting your upper body over and to the inside usually helps but people often try to hang off too far.

So, what kinds of things can you do with your lower body to ensure that you are getting set up correctly for good body position?
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