Bet you saw this crash coming..

[rockNroll]

Originally Posted by ninja250

My body wasn't in race positioning in that video. Probably because I wasn't racing!

Racing against someone else has nothing to do with it. When taking a particular corner at a given speed I will use the same body positioning whether I'm alone, running in a pack, or racing. Proper form is proper form and neither the bike nor the corner you're negotiating give a rat's ass whether you're racing someone else or not.

Your line was bad, your body positioning was bad, and when things started to get a bit scary for you, your actions were wrong. Be a big boy and deal with it... or if you'd rather, just let everyone know ahead of time that you really don't want/need advise.

[CC Cowboy]

Originally Posted by ninja250

Oh wait I figured out what you guys were trying to tell me.

Because I wasn't tucked in shoulder first while leaning, you think I don't know how to position my body. LOL!
(Even though that has absolutely nothing to do with this crash)

I wasn't racing 10 other people with a need for aerodynamics! Just getting my knee down on a local road! I love it how I'm wrong when nobody even realizes I'm not in a race.. just out having fun!

I learned by watching someone who does go to the track how to position my body, but didn't realize is was mandatory unless I was actually in a race.. so you're all right. My body wasn't in race positioning in that video. Probably because I wasn't racing!

When riding on the street everyone is racing. It's you against death. You can go as fast or as slow as you want. If you screw up you can die. Death doesn't care how your body was positioned. If you go to fast or to slow you can crash and the results can be life threatening.

Know the roads you are riding, but safe and have fun.

P.S. no crashing

[Locksmiff]

Seeing as you said you have insurance on the bike, why are you bothering trying to repair it yourself and not letting the insurance either write it off or repair it.

[ninja250]

I don't ride bikes that a mechanic "fixes".
I do all my own work. I doubt my insurance will pay me to fix it.

[Locksmiff]

Originally Posted by ninja250

I don't ride bikes that a mechanic "fixes".
I do all my own work. I doubt my insurance will pay me to fix it.

They would most likely write it off. It would also be a hell of alot cheaper wouldn't it only having to pay for the excess (deductable) whatever it's called in the US rather then paying out of your pocket the full costs of the repairs.

[Momaru]

Originally Posted by Locksmiff

They would most likely write it off. It would also be a hell of alot cheaper wouldn't it only having to pay for the excess (deductable) whatever it's called in the US rather then paying out of your pocket the full costs of the repairs.

Upfront, certainly cheaper to pay the deductible than completely out of pocket. Long-term, perhaps not.
The insurance company would likely step up his rates considerably and recover the money they "gave" him in a couple years, after which I doubt his payments would decrease much in the forseeable future, costing him more money in the long run. If I'm wrong, so be it.

[ninja250]

Yeah just gonna suck it up and bolt it back
together. It's like I crashed one of my huge nitro rc helicopters. Cost a couple
thou to get it running again but it was my fault and would be a bigger loss to scrap it all.

Just received a big box of parts toward the repairs last night at 9pm which was rather odd.
I'm basically short a frame and plastics and new tires. Already ordered the rest. Spen $1600 so far need to spend about double that.

Just as if I crashed on the track.. Or crashed a remote control helicopter, Now I gotta fix it. I'll get the crash repair thread started shortly. The reason it costs so much is I will be upgrading half the bike while I repair it. Forks and rearsets and clips ons and tires etc. Also have a new front rim coming so might pull my wheels off and powdercoat them white. I can also have the new frame powdercoated before installation... Bike should be nicer than before the crash when I'm done with it.
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[Dano]

So just a question on what you are calling the frame as I haven't got my 09' picked up from the dealership. Is it the subframe? or is the 250 one entire frame? If you replace your frame won't that essentially mean you have to reregister it as the vin number is located on the frame?? almost all newer bikes have a removeable subframe that the seats are connected to. Like I said I bought a new 09' just haven't picked it up yet and looked closely at it.

[ninja250]

It's all one frame. There is also two little engine mount triangle subframe pieces. The rearsets bolt right on the frame and so do the passenger peg mounts that stick way out and bend when you drop it. Anyone who worries they might drop their bike and has frame sliders on should probably try to remove those passenger pegs and mounts too cause they can bend the frame easy.

Yes, it will be a new VIN so will have to notify DMV and Insurance any way I look at it. I believe the VIN tag is riveted to the frame. We'll find out how that goes I guess.

[Dano]

Originally Posted by ninja250

It's all one frame. There is also two little engine mount triangle subframe pieces. The rearsets bolt right on the frame and so do the passenger peg mounts that stick way out and bend when you drop it. Anyone who worries they might drop their bike and has frame sliders on should probably try to remove those passenger pegs and mounts too cause they can bend the frame easy.

Yes, it will be a new VIN so will have to notify DMV and Insurance any way I look at it. I believe the VIN tag is riveted to the frame. We'll find out how that goes I guess.

**** that sucks hard. The last ninja 250 I had was a 88' and I would have thought they would have changed that, I guess to build to a price they kept the full frame..so is there no straightening the frame?? theres a company that straightens out bikes I believe they are called computrack, I just looked them up and they seem to straighten out bikes to make them ride better, maybe drop them an email to see if they fix bent frames, worth a shot. Now on a aluminum framed bike I wouldnt waste the time but since the ninjette is a steel tube frame it should be possible, sorta like bicycles.

[Cedilla]

Originally Posted by Locksmiff

They would most likely write it off. It would also be a hell of alot cheaper wouldn't it only having to pay for the excess (deductable) whatever it's called in the US rather then paying out of your pocket the full costs of the repairs.

If you "use" your insurance policy like your supposed to, they will get all their money back and then some. I wish I could drop collusion coverage on my bike, but its not paid off yet.

I hate insurance companies with a passion. They are the scum of the earth.

[paterick4o8]

ouch. just saw this today

it's been said but I also agree, more than anything it's body positioning and also weight distribution that would have kept you making that turn.. assuming you wanted to keep corning at that same speed and putting any bike set up preferences aside. but yes you live and learn.

glad yous ok tho KC

[ninja250]

I didn't crash earlier that day taking tighter corners at higher speeds.

It was a line thing, amongst lots of other things. But not my body position.

You don't have to be tucked to drag a knee successfully. Saying you do would be wrong.
You can't even tell for sure if I'm tucked or positioned right or not in those videos. You guys are talking out your asses. Do you have iPhones mounted on your (stock height) handlebars at that angle to study video of with mirrors on your race bike?

I look at my videos from earlier that day and see I had my shoulders in to the lean just fine. My positioning looked great 5 minutes before I crashed. But I don't feel like posting more videos to drag this out because anybody can disagree with anything I say all day long. I don't really care to hear about it. You all think I don't want to learn when you have no idea who I am or what was taking place at that time in my life.

I was the one there, and I know how my camera is mounted and how all the angles go down.. and if asking a racer how to get started in track school is not wanting to learn, I don't know what wanting to learn is.

No, I wasn't riding perfect track body positioning for that one particular corner that I'll be judged on forever, but IMO you don't have to, in order to get your knee down without crashing. I never said I was an expert nor did I say I think I'm hot sh*t to anybody. You all put those words in my mouth for me.

[ninja250]

Pics below of my head while centered and not leaning.
Pics below also of my head while looking into furthest part of turn and leaning.
My head is definitely not centered over the bike.
You can not tell where my shoulders are or the rest of my body.
My body will never go below my mirror with the way I had that rig set up.
I don't sit on top of the bike. Not my head, not my ass, and not my shoulders.

Trying to figure out what the hell you guys were talking about almost caused a crash though and really put me through more question about my riding than I should have been.

[CC Cowboy]

KC, I hope you have learned not to hit the NOS button while in a turn. If you would stop posting on this thread it will die off.

[ninja250]

I understand that completely. I've been playing around in forums for years.
I just fail to see the part where everything I'm doing is basically wrong besides the fact I was playing around on the street and caught a bad line in return karma for it.

I realize I'm no pro and have a lot to learn but I'm not a (total) idiot.

[adri99an]

Just REMEMBER KC...when you CRASH/Lay it down...this is what happens....

1. Everyone is a Professional Rider--because they haven't laid it down
2. Make sure "YOU LEARN and Admit it"--or else you're a moron and in denial
3. "Take it to the track" because that's where you're supposed to ride...(wink)
4. "Squids" are the only riders that crash...because they have bad lines and form
5. Oh and if you have a reputation for being funny--it's ok to disrepsect you

Stay Strong partner.... YOU Ride your Ride....like always.....

Next SAT...GMR....ACH....or Malibu??

[CC Cowboy]

Originally Posted by ninja250

I realize I'm no pro and have a lot to learn but I'm not a (total) idiot.

Of course your not, a total idiot would keep posting. Then his buddies, that have also crashed, will defend him saying it's everyone else that sux.

Originally Posted by adri99an

Just REMEMBER KC...when you CRASH/Lay it down...this is what happens....

1. Everyone is a Professional Rider--because they haven't laid it down
2. Make sure "YOU LEARN and Admit it"--or else you're a moron and in denial
3. "Take it to the track" because that's where you're supposed to ride...(wink)
4. "Squids" are the only riders that crash...because they have bad lines and form
5. Oh and if you have a reputation for being funny--it's ok to disrepsect you

Stay Strong partner.... YOU Ride your Ride....like always.....

Next SAT...GMR....ACH....or Malibu??

[adri99an]

Originally Posted by CC Cowboy

Of course your not, a total idiot would keep posting. Then his buddies, that have also crashed, will defend him saying it's everyone else that sux.

Hahahahaaa.....it never fails.....

[Haider87]

Dang. Thanks for posting that. it was pretty courageous of you to put this up. Glad you're ok. Just get her rollin' true again. Battle scars are part of the fun.

You've probably helped a bunch of people at the cost of probably catching a little flak, and it's definitely helped me to watch this, and read the analysis.

[binlagin]

Earth worm jim! He's such a groovy guy!

[cnichols79us]

Group Hug????

[hackeron]

Says video has been removed by user - Anyone have another link?

[Alex]

Roman - ninja250 chose to leave the board and ain't coming back, no matter how many threads of his you bump.

[hackeron]

Originally Posted by Alex

Roman - ninja250 chose to leave the board and ain't coming back, no matter how many threads of his you bump.

Ah, I didn't know that. Why did he leave, upgrade?

[Alex]

You'd have to ask him.