March 22nd, 2014, 05:54 PM | #1 |
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led dash light problem
hey guys, so a few weeks ago my turn sign signal indicator on the dash stopped working. my led blinkers functioned normally though, even with the dash indicator not working. so i figured the bulb burnt out.
with that as my conclusion, i figured id replace the entire dash with led bulbs, so i purchased new led bulbs for the entire dash. i just replaced them all today, and they all work, except for the blinker light again. so im guessing the original bulb never burnt out to begin with. there is a problem somewhere else. for your info, i have a diode kit installed, since i have led blinkers. also have a electronic flasher relay i tested the continuity of the dash blinker port, and it tested positive for both wires. so there is no problem with the dash wires leading up to the bulb socket. i then tested the continuity of the diode wiring, that tested positive. so what do you guys think the problem is? Last futzed with by kennetht; March 23rd, 2014 at 03:05 PM. |
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March 23rd, 2014, 03:05 PM | #2 |
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anyone?
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March 23rd, 2014, 11:13 PM | #3 |
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Flip the LED bulb around. LEDs are diodes and only accept power one-way.
EDIT: You said continuity? So just connection wise? I would put your two multimeter probes inside the turn signal bulb socket and see if you get a voltage reading when they are on. I'm guessing you don't have to flip it, unless you got REALLY lucky and inserted all of the LED bulbs and all happened to be put in right but this one lol. I would check though, may be that easy. |
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March 24th, 2014, 07:49 AM | #4 | |
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Yeah I still have yet to see if I get a voltage reading. I am going to check that next chance I get.
But it is my understanding that regardless of the orientation of the blinker bulb, it should work no matter which direction it is in: When the right blinker is on, the gray wire of the dash bulb is + and the green wire is -. When the left blinker is on, the green wire is + and the gray wire is -. This means that switching the dash bulb to an LED wouldn't work, since LEDs are polarized and will only work with the power flowing one way through them. So my best option would be to just keep an OEM bulb in for the indicator light, so that way it will work regardless of what blinker is on. However, since when I tested a different OEM bulb, it did not work, that means there is a problem somewhere else... Seems that no power is making its way thru the wiring and to the bulb to light it. I will check to see if I get a voltage reading next chance I get. Quote:
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March 24th, 2014, 08:25 AM | #5 | |
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Best to get a voltage reading to see where the problem is at. |
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March 24th, 2014, 09:01 AM | #6 | |
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Like you said, best thing I can do now is get my voltage meter and see if I am getting any voltage. If I am not getting any voltage, I know the problem is somewhere else. I will keep you updated |
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March 24th, 2014, 11:17 AM | #7 |
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I recognize that quote. =)
In the stock setup, the indicator bulb is a short between the + wires to each side's turn signal. The relatively high draw of the signal and the resistance of the stock incandescent indicator are the only things keeping both signals from lighting up together. LED signals that require much less power will both light up from either signal, as you're all aware. The diode kit converts the indicator to have one lead be + and the other -, as linkinpark9812 said. The green and gray wires from the two signals go through diodes (one-way gates) into one of the indicator's wires. Either signal will supply power to the indicator, but the diodes keep them from supplying power to the other signal. The other part of the diode kit wires up the indicator's second lead to - so that the circuit will be completed when one of the signals supplies power on the + side. LEDs are diodes themselves, so current will only flow through one way. In the stock indicator setup with two + leads, an LED would work perfectly for one side and not at all for the other. With a diode kit installed, the socket becomes a "normal" +/- socket, and the LED would work properly (for both signals) if installed one way, and not at all if flipped the other way. When you checked the socket's continuity, where did you verify it to? The harness where the diode kit plugs in? |
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March 24th, 2014, 01:12 PM | #8 | |
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I am pretty sure that I am not getting voltage supplied to the indicator light, because a few weeks ago, when the OEM bulb stopped working, I figured it just burnt out. However, when taking apart my dash cluster this weekend, I tried the OEM blinker bulb in another slot, and it worked perfectly. Therefore it was not the bulb that is the problem. The problem has to be somewhere else. I am going to test it with my voltage meter, to confirm if I am receiving any voltage or not. In conclusion, my bike indicators all worked great, until that one blinker indicator bulb stopped working. Since I was able to confirm that it was not the bulb that was the problem, I need to find out where the problem is. First thing first, check to see if I get a voltage reading at the dash blinker indicator socket. If no voltage is being supplied, I have no idea where to start looking for the underlying problem. Whatever it is, the problem began a few weeks ago when I rode my bike to work. During the ride to work in the morning the turn signal dash bulb worked fine. Then a few hours later when I went out for lunch, the turn signal dash bulb never worked. So within that time period, something happened. |
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March 24th, 2014, 04:23 PM | #9 | |
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Instead of using a ring terminal and grounding it to the frame, you could also tie it into an existing ground wire in the harness. I'm hoping to experiment on my buddy's girlfriend's Ninjette with this setup when it gets a little warmer. I think it could make Tri's kit a little simpler to install. |
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March 26th, 2014, 08:50 AM | #11 | |
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March 26th, 2014, 08:55 AM | #12 |
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Even with all this trouble with the blinker indicator light, I wanted to share this image of my dash cluster now with the LEDs installed.
Makes the cluster blueish and looks so amazing. Its so much more lit, and I would recommend changing to LEDs to anyone! For $8 for 10 LEDs, you can not beat it! Here is a link to the LEDs that I purchased if anyone is interested: http://www.ebay.com/itm/111197894979...84.m1497.l2649 |
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April 19th, 2014, 05:35 AM | #13 | |
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So now everything works! And I am so pumped that it is not an electrical wiring problem somewhere. Thanks to all your help guys. |
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April 19th, 2014, 05:37 AM | #14 | |
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Still a great diode kit tri! |
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April 19th, 2014, 07:05 AM | #15 | |
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April 19th, 2014, 04:29 PM | #16 |
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It is definitely worth it. Makes the dash look so much more appealing. I love it.
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