2012 Ninjette changes? - Page 2

Sinister · June 16th, 2011, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madeuce1006

Two things imho would be worthwhile for kawi to do. One is to increase production on the 250. The other is to bring the 500 up to date.

When i asked at one of the local kawi shops about a 500 update he said the last he heard is they aren't going to make it anymore and view the 650 as it's replacement.

TXJ · June 17th, 2011, 07:45 AM

If they change anything, I'd like the tank to be more aggressively shaped with a hunch in it so us long leg folks can grip the tank better. I don't care if it lowers the fuel capacity! As long as it has a more comfortable leg position like the CBR250R!

clintalmighty · June 17th, 2011, 09:16 AM

Not that I am saying they should make the Ninjette less attractive, because obviously a sporty-looking 250 will help encourage noobs to start small and not go out and buy a SS 600-1000 as their first bike, but does anyone else on here think that their bike (new-gen) garners too much attention for a total noob? I mean alot of the time I think it would be nice to have a pre-gen to attract less attention to myself, instead of everyone thinking I am on some crotch rocket and want to race off the line from stop lights or do roll-on's on the freeway all the time. Don't get me wrong, I love my bike and wouldn't trade it for pre-gen, and it's not bad at all now, as I am not worrying about stalling or tipping over in the parking lot, but when I first started riding, I felt like I was posing as a sport-rider when I knew nothing, and was constantly talking my bike down to people I knew because all of my (no bike knowledge) friends were so impressed, only to make fun of me and call it a girl bike once I told them it was a 250/how cheap it was/ and call it a lawnmower after hearing the engine run. It just seems that being in the "sportbike crowd" has its streotype that might not be friendly to noobs who do not have their head on completely straight, and will try antics to impress/show off that they might not have the opportunity to engage in had they been riding a pre-gen that doesn't usually cause people to look twice and say "Whoa, a crotch rocket, let's race him in my Civic". Lol.

Sorry to rant, this just popped into my head. It's probably different for me because I am in college, and you know how the typical college crowds can be... /rant

ninjaknobs · June 17th, 2011, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clintalmighty

Not that I am saying they should make the Ninjette less attractive, because obviously a sporty-looking 250 will help encourage noobs to start small and not go out and buy a SS 600-1000 as their first bike, but does anyone else on here think that their bike (new-gen) garners too much attention for a total noob? I mean alot of the time I think it would be nice to have a pre-gen to attract less attention to myself, instead of everyone thinking I am on some crotch rocket and want to race off the line from stop lights or do roll-on's on the freeway all the time. Don't get me wrong, I love my bike and wouldn't trade it for pre-gen, and it's not bad at all now, as I am not worrying about stalling or tipping over in the parking lot, but when I first started riding, I felt like I was posing as a sport-rider when I knew nothing, and was constantly talking my bike down to people I knew because all of my (no bike knowledge) friends were so impressed, only to make fun of me and call it a girl bike once I told them it was a 250/how cheap it was/ and call it a lawnmower after hearing the engine run. It just seems that being in the "sportbike crowd" has its streotype that might not be friendly to noobs who do not have their head on completely straight, and will try antics to impress/show off that they might not have the opportunity to engage in had they been riding a pre-gen that doesn't usually cause people to look twice and say "Whoa, a crotch rocket, let's race him in my Civic". Lol.

Sorry to rant, this just popped into my head. It's probably different for me because I am in college, and you know how the typical college crowds can be... /rant

I would try to be less conscious of what others think, horsepower isn't everything. 180 hp literbikes are kinda pointless in the real world, sure you can blast up to 100mph.. 150+ in a heartbeat.. but for only a few seconds unless your on the track. If a cop catches you, you can kiss u'r license goodbye, fines, maybe impound your bike. I bought my 250 brand new in sep '10, my plan was to keep it for 6 months.. learn to ride and sell it and get a 600 or 675 triumph daytona. That changed after i realized for zipping through twisty canyons horsepower doesn't matter, a light/nimble bike personally is more fun than drag racing.
alot of guys have ego's... my bike is faster than yours, my truck is bigger, i bench press more blah blah goes on and on. Ride whatever u are comfortable with.. and if you are having fun on the 250 that's all that matters

rusninja · June 17th, 2011, 08:39 PM

Really i dont get how people mistake a 250 for a 600 then talk about how girly it can be when they thought it was a 600, if they are the supersport riders they are just fan boys know nothing about motorcycles.

Real riders know 250 is where its at though. :] i see all the time 600rr,r6s,zx6rs and they all go speed limit something a ninja can easly do, but ninja 250s save alot of money.

rusninja · June 17th, 2011, 08:40 PM

oh and 250 or zx6r you shouldnt be racing >.>

n4mwd · June 18th, 2011, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian M from Yahoo Answers

The unchanged except for color 2012 EX250 will be available on dealer floors starting in November of 2011.

Yes, it's the EXACT SAME as the 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 bikes, except for color.

I hate this guy, but he's very knowledgeable about Ninjas so you can take his word for it.

But for my wish list, I'd want newgen styling with pregen performace and fuel economy. And of course EFI.

miss_syn · June 18th, 2011, 06:41 AM

Do the next year's models come out that early? I couldn't find an 11 250 until April or May here. :/

n4mwd · June 18th, 2011, 02:51 PM

I was quoting someone else so I don't know for sure, but if it works anything like the way cars do, the bigger dealers get first dibs on the early (limited) production vehicles. That is to say, find the biggest dealer that you can find in November and he may have some.

ScorpionNinja · June 19th, 2011, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by areifel

a modern, more sporty 500, i would jumpy all over. No need for a 600 and the 650 is not attractive to me.

the 500 is DEAD!!!

sales were down and i still see 2008-2009 500R's for sale at dealerships... you cant GIVE them away!

If your thinking 500cc would be Cheaper on insurance, than the 600-650cc. Think again! I shopped around for the cheapest insurance on my 650R last year and Asked every Insurance company, "Do you guys charge higher rates for Bigger cc bikes?" "No" was the answer from all 14 places i went too!

people dont like the 650R's cuz of the Banana seat. Well my 650R is a great motorcycle. Its Banana seat is very very GF/passenger friendly. We did an 800 mile trip on my 650R. Try that on a 250R... the 250R's tiny pavilion seat and passenger position SUCK for riding 2UP for anything over 40-50 miles. Thats all your gonna be able to ride 2UP on a 250R, 40-50 miles at a time b4 your wife/GF needs a butt break!!!

The 650R is a more practical and versatile Motorcycle, than the 250R!

I love my 250R, but for 2UP and longer trips, 650R hands down is better!

I miss the 65-74 MPG of my 250R though!!!

zartan · June 19th, 2011, 11:38 AM

Kawasaki is know over the years for not changing something that works. Using same components on different models. The good thing is the prices stay a bit lower than other brands. Had me going for 10 seconds Cowboy!

areifel · June 19th, 2011, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ScorpionNinja

the 500 is DEAD!!!

sales were down and i still see 2008-2009 500R's for sale at dealerships... you cant GIVE them away!

If your thinking 500cc would be Cheaper on insurance, than the 600-650cc. Think again! I shopped around for the cheapest insurance on my 650R last year and Asked every Insurance company, "Do you guys charge higher rates for Bigger cc bikes?" "No" was the answer from all 14 places i went too!

people dont like the 650R's cuz of the Banana seat. Well my 650R is a great motorcycle. Its Banana seat is very very GF/passenger friendly. We did an 800 mile trip on my 650R. Try that on a 250R... the 250R's tiny pavilion seat and passenger position SUCK for riding 2UP for anything over 40-50 miles. Thats all your gonna be able to ride 2UP on a 250R, 40-50 miles at a time b4 your wife/GF needs a butt break!!!

The 650R is a more practical and versatile Motorcycle, than the 250R!

I love my 250R, but for 2UP and longer trips, 650R hands down is better!

I miss the 65-74 MPG of my 250R though!!!

64-74 MPG? i am only getting 45 -_- teach me your ways.

bluesinorbit · June 19th, 2011, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by areifel

64-74 MPG? i am only getting 45 -_- teach me your ways.

I get 40mpg average...

I'm beginning to think that the odometer is inaccurately. Otherwise, there may be something wrong with my brand-new bike as it has never gotten over 45mpg. I'm going to compare the odometer count to GPS for the next week or two.

areifel · June 19th, 2011, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluesinorbit

I get 40mpg average...

I'm beginning to think that the odometer is inaccurately. Otherwise, there may be something wrong with my brand-new bike as it has never gotten over 45mpg. I'm going to compare the odometer count to GPS for the next week or two.

yeah, same here. i fill up when i hit E. Which is at the 180 mile mark usually. but when i fill up its usually only 3.3 gallons. correct me if i am wrong but dont out bikes hold 4.8 or .9? i don't think i have ever gotten 50mpg on my ninja

bluesinorbit · June 19th, 2011, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by areifel

yeah, same here. i fill up when i hit E. Which is at the 180 mile mark usually. but when i fill up its usually only 3.3 gallons. correct me if i am wrong but dont out bikes hold 4.8 or .9? i don't think i have ever gotten 50mpg on my ninja

There's at least .8 gallons of gas left when you hit empty by design. It's what the Ninjette has instead of a reservoir tank. I hit empty at 150 mile mark and I fill up right up to the neck every time for accurate calculation of mpg. Next time I fill up, be it two gallons or four, I just got to divide the distance traveled by the amount of gas it takes to fill the tank back to the neck. If you read some of the mpg threads here, some people get 50 and higher mpg on their stock bikes.

kkim · June 19th, 2011, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by areifel

yeah, same here. i fill up when i hit E. Which is at the 180 mile mark usually. but when i fill up its usually only 3.3 gallons. correct me if i am wrong but dont out bikes hold 4.8 or .9? i don't think i have ever gotten 50mpg on my ninja

180 miles divided by 3.3 gallons = 54.54 mpg.

n4mwd · June 19th, 2011, 03:39 PM

He's probably talking about a pregen. 65-70 mpg is common for them.

areifel · June 19th, 2011, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkim

180 miles divided by 3.3 gallons = 54.54 mpg.

60mpg*

areifel · June 19th, 2011, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n4mwd

He's probably talking about a pregen. 65-70 mpg is common for them.

i am pretty sure he meant a new gen. I for one have never came close to those numbers on my bike. ~50 sounds more reasonable. 70 on the other hand is pushing it!

areifel · June 19th, 2011, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by areifel

60mpg*

I wasn't saying you were wrong. I just meant 60 on my other post not 50. We all can do basic math here. haha i would hope.

kkim · June 19th, 2011, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by areifel

I wasn't saying you were wrong. I just meant 60 on my other post not 50. We all can do basic math here. haha i would hope.

you would be surprised.

sombo · June 19th, 2011, 04:58 PM

Yah, I think he has his numbers off. The new-gen isn't even rated for 60mpg let alone 70mpg.

kkim · June 19th, 2011, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sombo

Yah, I think he has his numbers off. The new-gen isn't even rated for 60mpg let alone 70mpg.

Kawasaki rates the new gen at 61mpg... whatever that means.

http://www.kawasaki.com/mpg/mpgComparison11.aspx

sombo · June 19th, 2011, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkim

Kawasaki rates the new gen at 61mpg... whatever that means.

http://www.kawasaki.com/mpg/mpgComparison11.aspx

Guess they upped it since 2008. Could have swore it was rated at below 60 at first. Oh well, can't be right all the time.

TXJ · June 19th, 2011, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkim

Kawasaki rates the new gen at 61mpg... whatever that means.

http://www.kawasaki.com/mpg/mpgComparison11.aspx

It means weighing 140 lbs with the wind at your back going no more than 50MPH on a downhill grade track.

Honko · June 19th, 2011, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TXJ

It means weighing 140 lbs with the wind at your back going no more than 50MPH on a downhill grade track.

kkim · June 19th, 2011, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TXJ

It means weighing 140 lbs with the wind at your back going no more than 50MPH on a downhill grade track.

glad you agree that it gets 61mpg!

clintalmighty · June 19th, 2011, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TXJ

It means weighing 140 lbs with the wind at your back going no more than 50MPH on a downhill grade track.

and shifting at 3500 rpm as per owners manual

Anteraan · June 20th, 2011, 07:52 AM

I routinely get 58-60 mpg if I am just commuting and shifting around 7-8k. Traffic doesn't typically allow much more than that, rpm-wise.

When I'm riding for pleasure, open road, shifting at 12-13k and cruising around 9-10k, I still get 53-56 mpg. And no, I'm not tucking, and that's at 6'2", 205.

I couldn't imagine getting mileage in the 40's. Then again, I haven't modded my carbs either.

thaininja · June 21st, 2011, 12:10 AM

Your getting EFI.. there are no carbs to be seen at the Thai factory..... So start saving for your Power commanders now.. no more easy HP from simple jet changes.

Snake · June 21st, 2011, 12:17 AM

Yeaaaaa! That is music to my ears.
Anyone in the market for a pre-gen? lol

thaininja · June 21st, 2011, 12:22 AM

Snake.... sorry to wind you up... I'm really not sure whats happening.. BUT The US and i think Indonesia are the only 2 markets that still get the Carbed bike..SO i think it will happen soon. Especially as the Honda Cbr250 is now here and the mags are saying how good the EFI is...
BUT the downside to the EFI is that it can get to be more expensive to tune it (power commander) BUT it's loads smoother when done..

Snake · June 21st, 2011, 12:43 AM

You sure know how to make a grown man cry.

etiainen · June 21st, 2011, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anteraan

I routinely get 58-60 mpg if I am just commuting and shifting around 7-8k. Traffic doesn't typically allow much more than that, rpm-wise.

When I'm riding for pleasure, open road, shifting at 12-13k and cruising around 9-10k, I still get 53-56 mpg. And no, I'm not tucking, and that's at 6'2", 205.

I couldn't imagine getting mileage in the 40's. Then again, I haven't modded my carbs either.

I get around the same mileage(unless I decide I want to ride really hard, then its in the low 50's.

My good friend also has a 250, but his carbs were modded by the previous owner and his mileage is a lot worse, in the 40s.

slolane · June 22nd, 2011, 09:03 AM

I love reading the posts about mpg's. Some people don't care, others worry about it, I myself ride how I want but just like to track it so I know where it is. So many things contribute to that number and a lot of it is driving/riding style. I ride smooth and don't rip on it every time I go out, I'm also not the person racing to be the first to the red light either.

My 2008 250 with full Yosh and jetted has never gotten less than 60mpg, best overall tank was 67mpg. I think my gearing change has a lot to do with it as I'm running 15/42.

As far as manufacture ratings, those numbers seem to be pretty conservative. I have had a lot of vehicles and always exceed their estimates. My Jeep Wrangler is rated for 15/19 and I get 20/23 every tank. Those numbers are low but for something as aerodynamic as a brick it's par for the course. I do manual calculations as some vehicles computers aren't as accurate and often display above average readings.

Anyway, post on...

Darling Ninja · June 22nd, 2011, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clintalmighty

"Whoa, a crotch rocket, let's race him in my Civic".

That just happened to me two days ago, No joke. I really don't intend on racing anyone on my 250, but for some reason cagers seem to think that I do.

coondog · June 22nd, 2011, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaiserz

Ninja 400

they have one and i can't beleive it, due to the fact it sucks in every sense. NOW, bring back the ZXR400 from the 90's and i'll be first in line. There is or was a ZZR400 as well but don't know dick about it, would assume with the ZZR tag it should be be powerful 400cc ride (like the ZXR), or could just be a canadian bike.

coondog · June 22nd, 2011, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by n4mwd

I hate this guy, but he's very knowledgeable about Ninjas so you can take his word for it.

But for my wish list, I'd want newgen styling with pregen performace and fuel economy. And of course EFI.

He knows alot due to being a "house husband" and what really bent me over was they don't have kids. He has a buddy Ian who are cherished around the grounds at 250 rallies/races/campouts. Really cherished, does this tent have a zipper?

KGar · June 22nd, 2011, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CC Cowboy

The Kawasaki dealer's meeting (pdf. notes) states the 250 Ninja will basically look the same but there will be suspension and engine up dates. Horsepower will be bumped up to 37 HP with a new head design and bigger valves. There still won't be fuel injection. The rear swing arm will be wider to accept a beefier rear wheel and tire. The front forks will be fully adjustable. Brakes will be 6 piston. The best improvement will be a lower price which Kawaski hopes will axe the Honda 250.

....and maybe they could design the valves so the adjustment intervals will be more like 30k

SSR · June 22nd, 2011, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thaininja

BUT The US and i think Indonesia are the only 2 markets that still get the Carbed bike..

Don't forget Canada.

June 17th, 2011, 08:39 PM	#45
rusninja Ninjette wanabe :D Name: Ruslan Location: San Jose Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): white 300 :D Posts: A lot.	Really i dont get how people mistake a 250 for a 600 then talk about how girly it can be when they thought it was a 600, if they are the supersport riders they are just fan boys know nothing about motorcycles. Real riders know 250 is where its at though. :] i see all the time 600rr,r6s,zx6rs and they all go speed limit something a ninja can easly do, but ninja 250s save alot of money. __________________________________________________ VROOOM vrooom >.>

June 17th, 2011, 08:40 PM	#46
rusninja Ninjette wanabe :D Name: Ruslan Location: San Jose Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): white 300 :D Posts: A lot.	oh and 250 or zx6r you shouldnt be racing >.> __________________________________________________ VROOOM vrooom >.>

June 19th, 2011, 11:38 AM	#51
zartan ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: zartan Location: spam la Join Date: Oct 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250 R Posts: A lot.	Kawasaki is know over the years for not changing something that works. Using same components on different models. The good thing is the prices stay a bit lower than other brands. Had me going for 10 seconds Cowboy! __________________________________________________ "Don't let adverse facts stand in the way of a good decision" Colin Powell

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TXJ Cranky Old Fart Name: TXJ Location: TX Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): 08 DRZ400SM Posts: 189	If they change anything, I'd like the tank to be more aggressively shaped with a hunch in it so us long leg folks can grip the tank better. I don't care if it lowers the fuel capacity! As long as it has a more comfortable leg position like the CBR250R!

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clintalmighty ninjette.org member Name: Clint Location: Texas Join Date: Dec 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r 2009 Honda CBR600RR Posts: 178	Not that I am saying they should make the Ninjette less attractive, because obviously a sporty-looking 250 will help encourage noobs to start small and not go out and buy a SS 600-1000 as their first bike, but does anyone else on here think that their bike (new-gen) garners too much attention for a total noob? I mean alot of the time I think it would be nice to have a pre-gen to attract less attention to myself, instead of everyone thinking I am on some crotch rocket and want to race off the line from stop lights or do roll-on's on the freeway all the time. Don't get me wrong, I love my bike and wouldn't trade it for pre-gen, and it's not bad at all now, as I am not worrying about stalling or tipping over in the parking lot, but when I first started riding, I felt like I was posing as a sport-rider when I knew nothing, and was constantly talking my bike down to people I knew because all of my (no bike knowledge) friends were so impressed, only to make fun of me and call it a girl bike once I told them it was a 250/how cheap it was/ and call it a lawnmower after hearing the engine run. It just seems that being in the "sportbike crowd" has its streotype that might not be friendly to noobs who do not have their head on completely straight, and will try antics to impress/show off that they might not have the opportunity to engage in had they been riding a pre-gen that doesn't usually cause people to look twice and say "Whoa, a crotch rocket, let's race him in my Civic". Lol. Sorry to rant, this just popped into my head. It's probably different for me because I am in college, and you know how the typical college crowds can be... /rant

June 18th, 2011, 06:41 AM	#48
miss_syn my hair matches my bike Name: Tiffany Location: Greater Pittsburgh Metropolitan Area Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Red 250r Posts: 411	Do the next year's models come out that early? I couldn't find an 11 250 until April or May here. :/

June 18th, 2011, 02:51 PM	#49
n4mwd ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: D Location: Palm Beach, FL Join Date: Oct 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Ninja 250R, 2007 EFI Ninja 250R Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 1	I was quoting someone else so I don't know for sure, but if it works anything like the way cars do, the bigger dealers get first dibs on the early (limited) production vehicles. That is to say, find the biggest dealer that you can find in November and he may have some.

June 19th, 2011, 03:39 PM	#57
n4mwd ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: D Location: Palm Beach, FL Join Date: Oct 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2006 Ninja 250R, 2007 EFI Ninja 250R Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 1	He's probably talking about a pregen. 65-70 mpg is common for them.

June 19th, 2011, 04:58 PM	#62
sombo Newb..... on a steeek! :D Name: Mike Location: Windermere, FL Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2012 Harley Davidson XL883L Sportster Superlow Posts: A lot.	Yah, I think he has his numbers off. The new-gen isn't even rated for 60mpg let alone 70mpg.

June 20th, 2011, 07:52 AM	#69
Anteraan ninjette.org member Name: Scott Location: Indianapolis Join Date: Jun 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250 (Blue) Posts: 167	I routinely get 58-60 mpg if I am just commuting and shifting around 7-8k. Traffic doesn't typically allow much more than that, rpm-wise. When I'm riding for pleasure, open road, shifting at 12-13k and cruising around 9-10k, I still get 53-56 mpg. And no, I'm not tucking, and that's at 6'2", 205. I couldn't imagine getting mileage in the 40's. Then again, I haven't modded my carbs either.

June 21st, 2011, 12:10 AM	#70
thaininja ninjette.org member Name: allan Location: thailand Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): Nothing at the moment Posts: 55	Your getting EFI.. there are no carbs to be seen at the Thai factory..... So start saving for your Power commanders now.. no more easy HP from simple jet changes.

June 21st, 2011, 12:17 AM	#71
Snake ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Rick Location: Alexandria, Louisiana Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 05 Blue Ninja 250 Posts: Too much. MOTY - 2017, MOTM - Jan '19, Oct '16, May '14	Yeaaaaa! That is music to my ears. Anyone in the market for a pre-gen? lol

June 21st, 2011, 12:22 AM	#72
thaininja ninjette.org member Name: allan Location: thailand Join Date: Aug 2010 Motorcycle(s): Nothing at the moment Posts: 55	Snake.... sorry to wind you up... I'm really not sure whats happening.. BUT The US and i think Indonesia are the only 2 markets that still get the Carbed bike..SO i think it will happen soon. Especially as the Honda Cbr250 is now here and the mags are saying how good the EFI is... BUT the downside to the EFI is that it can get to be more expensive to tune it (power commander) BUT it's loads smoother when done..

June 21st, 2011, 12:43 AM	#73
Snake ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Rick Location: Alexandria, Louisiana Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 05 Blue Ninja 250 Posts: Too much. MOTY - 2017, MOTM - Jan '19, Oct '16, May '14	You sure know how to make a grown man cry.

June 22nd, 2011, 09:03 AM	#75
slolane Motorcyclist Name: James Location: Maryland Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2014 Ninja 300 ABS Posts: A lot.	I love reading the posts about mpg's. Some people don't care, others worry about it, I myself ride how I want but just like to track it so I know where it is. So many things contribute to that number and a lot of it is driving/riding style. I ride smooth and don't rip on it every time I go out, I'm also not the person racing to be the first to the red light either. My 2008 250 with full Yosh and jetted has never gotten less than 60mpg, best overall tank was 67mpg. I think my gearing change has a lot to do with it as I'm running 15/42. As far as manufacture ratings, those numbers seem to be pretty conservative. I have had a lot of vehicles and always exceed their estimates. My Jeep Wrangler is rated for 15/19 and I get 20/23 every tank. Those numbers are low but for something as aerodynamic as a brick it's par for the course. I do manual calculations as some vehicles computers aren't as accurate and often display above average readings. Anyway, post on...