March 9th, 2012, 01:44 AM | #1 |
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Slow countersteering
Hi fellow ninjetteers!
We had a discussion about how slow/fast you need to be going for countersteering to become effective. Took me a while but I found the numbers and didn't want to hijack it into the picture thread. John Robinson's "Motorcycle Tuning: Chassis" lists the transition speed as 2-4ft/sec or 2.2-4.4kph. Of course , now we all have an excuse to play with our bikes to see if we can find that happy transition spot. Good balance and control exercise! |
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March 9th, 2012, 05:55 AM | #2 |
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For us in USA that speed would be 1.4 ~ 2.7 mph
I consistently drop my bike towards the right at stops (only right leg supporting the bike). In order to achieve that, I gently steer to the left just before coming to a complete stop.
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March 9th, 2012, 06:30 AM | #3 |
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Countersteering works at any speed. As Motofool pointed out, he pushes his bar right, to lean the bike right. The fact that you are stopping is irrelevant. It is still countersteering.
I countersteer even when I counterbalance the bike. It makes for extremely tight, slow speed turns.
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March 9th, 2012, 06:55 AM | #4 |
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As D.Hough points out, countersteering starts working if your bike is moving faster than you can walk
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March 10th, 2012, 06:14 AM | #5 |
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This was posted to clarify the numbers. Many older videos and a few older instructional books state that countersteering becomes effective at 15 to 25kph. There was an issue about the numbers in the photo thread so I agreed to post the actual numbers and the source. |
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March 10th, 2012, 06:17 AM | #6 |
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March 10th, 2012, 08:43 AM | #7 |
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Thats the one, sir.
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