DIY EFI KIT for our 250r - Page 3

DmbShn41 · July 3rd, 2011, 01:53 PM

That's awesome to hear!! If it were I, I would put a couple hundred miles on a tune before switching. Try various conditions so that you get a tune that suits your overall riding style. Thanks for the update!

randomwalk101 · July 3rd, 2011, 07:39 PM

Congrats on getting the bike running. Doesn't look like the kit is a true PnP though. What have to be mod so far to get it all up and running?

diwhiteii · July 3rd, 2011, 08:11 PM

Hi Forbitel,

I bought the kit too but I am having some problems getting it runing right so it is not drivable, it keeps shutting off when I give it gas. So I wanted to re-check some things since you got yours running. How did you hook the crank senor connector wires, yellow on the bike to orange on the kit and black with white stripe on the bike to green on the kit. That is how I wired mine according to the service manual. Is that right? I have a 2009 Ninja 250R. Matt from Ecotrons said you had a 2010 250R. I have alot done to my bike, is yours stock? I have a BRT- TIS IC, jardine SS race exhaust, original Kawa throttle bodies from europe and custom velocity stacks for the new throttle bodies. I also have a ton of custom stuff done to the appearence of the bike 13K worth. One other thing did you hook the KEYSW wire, pink on the kit, to the brown ignition wire on the bike.

Hope you can clear this up for me. If anyone else can help me too that would be helpful

Thanks,

David

diwhiteii · July 5th, 2011, 08:42 AM

Hello everyone,

I found the problem. My BRT-Tis is vulnerable to electrical surrounding noise, so everytime I would start the engine it would run for a little and backfire then shut-off. After alot of trial and error with Matt from Ecotrons we found this out. I put the original IC controller from Kawasaki and it started with no problem. I drove it around for the first time yesterday and was excited to ride, next will come the fine tuning. If you have the money buy the EFI kit it is worth it. By the way, when I had the carburetors on my bike with all my modifications, Factory Pro dyno tuned my bike and ran into problems with the BRT TIS initially,but managed to tune it. Only problem was they had my bike for two weeks.

Thanks,

David

randomwalk101 · July 5th, 2011, 08:47 AM

David. Glad you figured it out. Can you wrap the BRT TIS with foil or put some type of insulation to block out the electro interference?

CThunder-blue · July 5th, 2011, 08:48 AM

Thanks for the interesting update David. I wonder if it would help to use some sort of EMI shield like this: http://www.hollandshielding.com/inde...&id=203&Lang=2

forbitel · July 5th, 2011, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diwhiteii

Hi Forbitel,

I bought the kit too but I am having some problems getting it runing right so it is not drivable, it keeps shutting off when I give it gas. So I wanted to re-check some things since you got yours running. How did you hook the crank senor connector wires, yellow on the bike to orange on the kit and black with white stripe on the bike to green on the kit. That is how I wired mine according to the service manual. Is that right? I have a 2009 Ninja 250R. Matt from Ecotrons said you had a 2010 250R. I have alot done to my bike, is yours stock? I have a BRT- TIS IC, jardine SS race exhaust, original Kawa throttle bodies from europe and custom velocity stacks for the new throttle bodies. I also have a ton of custom stuff done to the appearence of the bike 13K worth. One other thing did you hook the KEYSW wire, pink on the kit, to the brown ignition wire on the bike.

Hope you can clear this up for me. If anyone else can help me too that would be helpful

Thanks,

David

David, sorry for the late response, been busy at work, I hope we can help you to get up and running. Yes, that is correct, the crank sensor is connected as you indicated, Yellow (at CDI harness) = Orange (CKP wire, Kit harness), Black/White (at CDI harness) = Green (crank sensor GND wire, Kit harness).

I initially had problem connecting the KEYSW, I first connected to the Grey wire on the CDI which gave me 12V upon Key ON, however it would not provide enough power to run the system. I decided to connect the KEYSW to the Brown/Black wire in the CDI ignition harness, this wire receives 12V when KeyON and is protected by the fuse block with the same 10A fuse dedicated already for ignition. I discovered that the KEYSW wire is not only a keyON logic sense wire but it is used a main power supply of all externals components, Oxygen sensor heater, gas pump, it is actually what provides power to the external relay, so you need to ensure that the KEYSW is a 12V wire with enough current, the 10A fused ignition Brown/Black did the trick for me.

Having the electrical diagram of the bike helps a lot, Matt (ecotrons) was really nice and gave it to me. If you don't have it Ask him for it or let me know I could send it to you.

Are you able to turn it on?
Good Luck

forbitel · July 5th, 2011, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diwhiteii

Hello everyone,

I found the problem. My BRT-Tis is vulnerable to electrical surrounding noise, so everytime I would start the engine it would run for a little and backfire then shut-off. After alot of trial and error with Matt from Ecotrons we found this out. I put the original IC controller from Kawasaki and it started with no problem. I drove it around for the first time yesterday and was excited to ride, next will come the fine tuning. If you have the money buy the EFI kit it is worth it. By the way, when I had the carburetors on my bike with all my modifications, Factory Pro dyno tuned my bike and ran into problems with the BRT TIS initially,but managed to tune it. Only problem was they had my bike for two weeks.

Thanks,

David

David, Great News, Now I have someone to corroborate that it will put a huge smile in your face once you ride the bike with EFI

. I cant wait to save some more money to add a full exhaust system.

forbitel · July 5th, 2011, 09:16 AM

I will be posting pics soon, thanks for waiting so patently. This is coming from a guy that wants his toys up and running NOW. lol.

etiainen · July 5th, 2011, 10:33 AM

My friend with a 2010 250r is actually up for doing this on his bike(I use mine for every day commuting and detest using my car enough that I cannot go a day without riding

), probably come winter time when he's going to store it anyways. We'd be doing this together actually, and I was wondering how hard would this be and how long would it take(with some guidance of course

)? We're both pretty mechanically inclined, but neither have us have taken apart a bike to the degree I assume this would entail...

forbitel · July 5th, 2011, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by etiainen

My friend with a 2010 250r is actually up for doing this on his bike(I use mine for every day commuting and detest using my car enough that I cannot go a day without riding

), probably come winter time when he's going to store it anyways. We'd be doing this together actually, and I was wondering how hard would this be and how long would it take(with some guidance of course

)? We're both pretty mechanically inclined, but neither have us have taken apart a bike to the degree I assume this would entail...

Etiainen, it was not too hard to be honest if you dedicate a little time first to do some research and get a little educated on an EFI system, so you know what to do instead of trying to find out during installation. it took me 3 half sundays, so I spend 3 weeks without a bike , but mostly because my lack of free time, I think if you have all the tools and knowledge you can get it done in 3 consecutive days maybe less if you keep at it.

etiainen · July 5th, 2011, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forbitel

Etiainen, it was not too hard to be honest if you dedicate a little time first to do some research and get a little educated on an EFI system, so you know what to do instead of trying to find out during installation. it took me 3 half sundays, so I spend 3 weeks without a bike , but mostly because my lack of free time, I think if you have all the tools and knowledge you can get it done in 3 consecutive days maybe less if you keep at it.

Wow, that actually sounds pretty doable then, how does the installation manual provided compare with the new-gen ninjas?(EDIT: I see they provide the differences between each in the manual) Were there any major differences/issues that you ran into?

randomwalk101 · July 5th, 2011, 12:27 PM

What additional parts, besides what's come with the EFI did you have to purchase?

diwhiteii · July 5th, 2011, 11:33 PM

Hello Everyone,

Here are pictures of the whole installation finished. I replaced the the 2 T fuel connectors with better quality ones. I replaced all the tubing with Helix Blue 1/4 fuel line so I could see the fuel moving. I am using a k&N filter at the moment but plan to change to custom velocity stacks when they arrive from australia . I mounted the ECU nicely under the seat, attached the engine temp sensor below the throttle bodies on the back side, plugged the vacuum hole on the tank and turned the screw from ON to pri position (no vacuum). I had the O2 sensors welded at a angle. I installed the MAP sensor on the #1 throttle body, plugged the hole on the #2 throttle body, ran the fuel return line to spot number #3 on the side of the tank, removed the decelleration cable and ran all the wires neatly. The keyswitch (pink) is soldered directly to the ignition wire at the fuse box(brown with black stripe). The CKP orange & green ground wire are soldered at the crank sensor wire harness(yellow wire is positive, black with white stripe is negitive ). Wiring took a while because I like it perfect, plus I enjoy electrical. When all the body parts are put back on you will see nothing. As you'll see I have alot of custom stuff on my bike in the pictures all of my custom fiberglass body work is off because I am still making some adjustments, so I left it off. This information should help you install the kit. Some pictures in the new manual for the EFI kit are of my bike. By the way, as far as the engine mods I have a jardine ss race full exhaust, BRT TIS CDI preprogrammed, and K&N filter. I will see how many pictures I can get on this site. If I cant get them all on, you can give me your email and I can send them to you. I took 45 pictures total. And to you Tri thank you for the link for the EMI shielding I will but some and try it and let you know.

If anyone has any questions about the install feel free to ask.

David

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diwhiteii · July 5th, 2011, 11:46 PM

Here are more pictures.

Enjoy,

David

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HKr1 · July 6th, 2011, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diwhiteii

the link for the EMI shielding I will but some and try it and let you know.

Might be EMI, sometimes stuff backfeed's noise down the electrical system.

forbitel · July 7th, 2011, 04:52 AM

David, Congrats on getting the conversion completed successfully. Hey, I was wondering what are you experiences with the kit so far. I noticed that in ECO mode the system does have more torque at the bottom end, but losses torque at the top end. According to the info I got from ecotrons ECO mode tries to do Stoichiometric mixture all the time. the original curve form our carbs seems to be richer at the top end which makes sense since a 0.85 lambda gives you the most torque with the expense of more fuel consumption. Setting the switch to Rich brings back all the torque at the top end. Have you noticed the same?

randomwalk101 · July 13th, 2011, 01:25 PM

so with this FI kit, the speedo is still mechanical? The kit doesn't replaces the mech as with stock FI?

diwhiteii · July 13th, 2011, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randomwalk101

so with this FI kit, the speedo is still mechanical? The kit doesn't replaces the mech as with stock FI?

The kit does not affect the speedo it is still mechanical. I have digital guages from koso RX-2 GP-Style Speedometer. This is the one I have below. Here are some more pictures of the install and my custom velocity stacks on my Keihin throttle bodies.

Buffalony · July 14th, 2011, 07:04 PM

You gotta post pics when you get those lowers done. Your bike is pretty nice from what I've seen.

assripp3r · July 19th, 2011, 07:18 PM

man someone please make an instructional video. step by step. some mechanics wont even touch my tank to add a another pitcock. i like to see this work before give some guy 500 bucks. theres some kits on ebay for ninja 250r and the same guy (mat) but no one bought them there...

pop0tart · July 19th, 2011, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diwhiteii

Here are more pictures.

Enjoy,

David

I don't want to imagine how much all those mods ran you, but I would love to see pics of your bike fully faired.

diwhiteii · July 20th, 2011, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pop0tart

I don't want to imagine how much all those mods ran you, but I would love to see pics of your bike fully faired.

Yes I have a massive amount of money in this bike, it is one of my hobbies. I will take pictures of it with all the fairings,but it is still not painted because I have been going back and forth on what two colors to choose. I noticed that someone also said they want a video. I will work on it when I get back to town in 10 days. I will do a full video and answer questions for people that are undecided on the kit. I have been working closely with Matt from ECOtrons because I have special parts on my bike. If anyone needed help installing the kit I could give you my phone number and help you with any questions. I kit was fun to install and if anyone lived close to San Francisco I could help them locally.

Thanks,

David

greg737 · July 20th, 2011, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Yes I have a massive amount of money in this bike, it is one of my hobbies.

I like your answer to the money comment. Right to the point.

There's always been a little friction here on the forum between guys who see there EX-250 as simply basic transportation (in which case the object is to spend as little as possible on it) and the guys who view the bike as part of their favorite hobby. I guess it's human nature to be surprised by or even critical of somebody's choice to spend money in a way that you wouldn't. It's hard to make the jump to seeing the motorcycle (in this case) from another person's viewpoint.

But I'm definitely with you in the "hobby" group when it comes to my EX-250.

MKlein3004 · July 20th, 2011, 02:16 PM

When the 250 becomes my track bike, this appears to be something I would consider. I am wondering what kind of power band and reliability this kit has when it is fully tuned. I'm in on this discusion

assripp3r · July 20th, 2011, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diwhiteii

Yes I have a massive amount of money in this bike, it is one of my hobbies. I will take pictures of it with all the fairings,but it is still not painted because I have been going back and forth on what two colors to choose. I noticed that someone also said they want a video. I will work on it when I get back to town in 10 days. I will do a full video and answer questions for people that are undecided on the kit. I have been working closely with Matt from ECOtrons because I have special parts on my bike. If anyone needed help installing the kit I could give you my phone number and help you with any questions. I kit was fun to install and if anyone lived close to San Francisco I could help them locally.

Thanks,

David

basically its the gas tank project of the kit for me and
The 2xO2 sensors, Find the right spots on the exhaust pipes, drill holes, weld bungs, install the sensors. i hope you can do it like non mechanic can understand. I cant wait...oh and what about velocity stacks? how did you fasten them?

greg737 · July 21st, 2011, 11:56 PM

Here's what my 2005 EX-250 Fuel Injection project bike sounds like.

It's not the kit you're discussing in this thread, this is a "one-of-a-kind" configuration that I put together myself. It uses a Microsquirt FI controller.

Best to watch it on a computer with good speakers, my laptop doesn't do it justice but it sounds just like I'm riding it when I watch on my home computer.

Link to original page on YouTube.

assripp3r · July 22nd, 2011, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greg737

Here's what my 2005 EX-250 Fuel Injection project bike sounds like.

It's not the kit you're discussing in this thread, this is a "one-of-a-kind" configuration that I put together myself. It uses a Microsquirt FI controller.

Best to watch it on a computer with good speakers, my laptop doesn't do it justice but it sounds just like I'm riding it when I watch on my home computer.

Link to original page on YouTube.

what did I just watch?!?

greg737 · July 23rd, 2011, 01:16 AM

What do you think you just watched?

rusninja · July 23rd, 2011, 01:29 AM

old pair of boots

greg737 · July 23rd, 2011, 09:53 AM

Quote:

old pair of boots

So you saw two boots?

rusninja · July 23rd, 2011, 03:31 PM

nope but im pretty sure unless your wearing to different boots makes it a pair :P

Buffalony · July 24th, 2011, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by assripp3r

what did I just watch?!?

That was the boot creek run.

Joking aside, I did enjoy the vid.

So when will a drop in FIS be availabe ? ?

What are the other benefits besides warm-up and custom mapping? I'm guessing a smoother pull is one?

Johnnyscoots · July 25th, 2011, 08:31 PM

To quote the inimitable Jeremy (Jezza) Clarkson:

POWER!!!!!!!!!!!

DmbShn41 · August 2nd, 2011, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greg737

So you saw two boots?

If you show me one, I'll imagine the other...

rusninja · August 3rd, 2011, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DmbShn41

If you show me one, I'll imagine the other...

i agree

! its not like socks two different shoes and id think it was uncomfortable.

pop0tart · August 22nd, 2011, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greg737

I like your answer to the money comment. Right to the point.

There's always been a little friction here on the forum between guys who see there EX-250 as simply basic transportation (in which case the object is to spend as little as possible on it) and the guys who view the bike as part of their favorite hobby. I guess it's human nature to be surprised by or even critical of somebody's choice to spend money in a way that you wouldn't. It's hard to make the jump to seeing the motorcycle (in this case) from another person's viewpoint.

But I'm definitely with you in the "hobby" group when it comes to my EX-250.

I also have the compulsive need to buy new parts for the 250, (clip ons, front preload adjusters, rearset adjusters, etc.) but my cbr600rr with EFI, clip on handle bars, adjustable shocks, and stock rearsets that were fine where they were ran me $3800. I feel that if I were to put more than than $3800 into my ninja, I would be an idiot by my own definition. Maybe number crunching is one of my hobbies?

natek · August 31st, 2011, 09:20 AM

sounds like a lot of work and money. did anyone end up getting power figures or a build cost sheet?

Indetrucks · August 31st, 2011, 05:03 PM

I'm lost...
Is there a summary on one of the pages?

How much was the kit?
How much HP is it putting out over stock etc...

Didn't see it in the first post.

choneofakind · August 31st, 2011, 06:46 PM

Since I have a pregen, and lack the knowledge/monetary freedom to go about modding this kit to work on my bike, I hope to hear some long term reviews from others as the kit has to deal with intake/exhaust/elevation changes etc and see how it works long term. Then, after college when I get a new 250, this will be on the top of my list of things to do if the 250R isn't FI by then. very cool

July 3rd, 2011, 01:53 PM	#81
DmbShn41 Wannabe Reborn Name: Unregistered Location: Cincy Ohio Join Date: Mar 2009 Motorcycle(s): Blue 2008 Ninja 250 Posts: 302	That's awesome to hear!! If it were I, I would put a couple hundred miles on a tune before switching. Try various conditions so that you get a tune that suits your overall riding style. Thanks for the update! __________________________________________________ " If you're here to show off and prove that your crotch rocket is faster than my Harley, you can leave now. "

July 5th, 2011, 08:48 AM	#86
CThunder-blue ModMy250.com Name: Tri Location: St, Louis Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2005 R6 Posts: A lot.	Thanks for the interesting update David. I wonder if it would help to use some sort of EMI shield like this: http://www.hollandshielding.com/inde...&id=203&Lang=2 __________________________________________________ The www.ModMy250.com guy

July 5th, 2011, 11:33 PM	#94
diwhiteii ninjette.org guru Name: David Location: Lafayette, CA Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2013 Ninja 300 Posts: 279	Pictures of my bike with the EFI Hello Everyone, Here are pictures of the whole installation finished. I replaced the the 2 T fuel connectors with better quality ones. I replaced all the tubing with Helix Blue 1/4 fuel line so I could see the fuel moving. I am using a k&N filter at the moment but plan to change to custom velocity stacks when they arrive from australia . I mounted the ECU nicely under the seat, attached the engine temp sensor below the throttle bodies on the back side, plugged the vacuum hole on the tank and turned the screw from ON to pri position (no vacuum). I had the O2 sensors welded at a angle. I installed the MAP sensor on the #1 throttle body, plugged the hole on the #2 throttle body, ran the fuel return line to spot number #3 on the side of the tank, removed the decelleration cable and ran all the wires neatly. The keyswitch (pink) is soldered directly to the ignition wire at the fuse box(brown with black stripe). The CKP orange & green ground wire are soldered at the crank sensor wire harness(yellow wire is positive, black with white stripe is negitive ). Wiring took a while because I like it perfect, plus I enjoy electrical. When all the body parts are put back on you will see nothing. As you'll see I have alot of custom stuff on my bike in the pictures all of my custom fiberglass body work is off because I am still making some adjustments, so I left it off. This information should help you install the kit. Some pictures in the new manual for the EFI kit are of my bike. By the way, as far as the engine mods I have a jardine ss race full exhaust, BRT TIS CDI preprogrammed, and K&N filter. I will see how many pictures I can get on this site. If I cant get them all on, you can give me your email and I can send them to you. I took 45 pictures total. And to you Tri thank you for the link for the EMI shielding I will but some and try it and let you know. If anyone has any questions about the install feel free to ask. David P6271022n.jpg P6271023n.jpg P6271024n.jpg P6271025n.jpg P6271027n.jpg P6271028n.jpg P6271029n.jpg P6271030n.jpg P6271032n.jpg P6271033n.jpg P6271035n.jpg P6271039n.jpg P6271040n.jpg P6271041n.jpg P6271042n.jpg P6271046n.jpg P6271048n.jpg P6271051n.jpg P6271052n.jpg P6271053n.jpg

July 5th, 2011, 11:46 PM	#95
diwhiteii ninjette.org guru Name: David Location: Lafayette, CA Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2013 Ninja 300 Posts: 279	More Pictures of EFI Kit Here are more pictures. Enjoy, David P6271054n.jpg P6271055n.jpg P6271056n.jpg P6271057n.jpg P6271058n.jpg P6271059n.jpg P6271060n.jpg P6271063n.jpg P6271068n.jpg P6271069n.jpg P6271072n.jpg P6271073n.jpg P6271075n.jpg P6271076n.jpg P6271078n.jpg P7031086.JPG P7031088.jpg P7031089.JPG P7031090.jpg P7031091.jpg

July 14th, 2011, 07:04 PM	#100
Buffalony ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Joe Location: Buffalo NY Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 08 Ninja 250 "Wasabi", 82 Yamaha xj650j Posts: A lot.	You gotta post pics when you get those lowers done. Your bike is pretty nice from what I've seen. __________________________________________________

July 3rd, 2011, 07:39 PM	#82
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	Congrats on getting the bike running. Doesn't look like the kit is a true PnP though. What have to be mod so far to get it all up and running?

July 3rd, 2011, 08:11 PM	#83
diwhiteii ninjette.org guru Name: David Location: Lafayette, CA Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2013 Ninja 300 Posts: 279	Hi Forbitel, I bought the kit too but I am having some problems getting it runing right so it is not drivable, it keeps shutting off when I give it gas. So I wanted to re-check some things since you got yours running. How did you hook the crank senor connector wires, yellow on the bike to orange on the kit and black with white stripe on the bike to green on the kit. That is how I wired mine according to the service manual. Is that right? I have a 2009 Ninja 250R. Matt from Ecotrons said you had a 2010 250R. I have alot done to my bike, is yours stock? I have a BRT- TIS IC, jardine SS race exhaust, original Kawa throttle bodies from europe and custom velocity stacks for the new throttle bodies. I also have a ton of custom stuff done to the appearence of the bike 13K worth. One other thing did you hook the KEYSW wire, pink on the kit, to the brown ignition wire on the bike. Hope you can clear this up for me. If anyone else can help me too that would be helpful Thanks, David

July 5th, 2011, 08:42 AM	#84
diwhiteii ninjette.org guru Name: David Location: Lafayette, CA Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R, 2013 Ninja 300 Posts: 279	Hello everyone, I found the problem. My BRT-Tis is vulnerable to electrical surrounding noise, so everytime I would start the engine it would run for a little and backfire then shut-off. After alot of trial and error with Matt from Ecotrons we found this out. I put the original IC controller from Kawasaki and it started with no problem. I drove it around for the first time yesterday and was excited to ride, next will come the fine tuning. If you have the money buy the EFI kit it is worth it. By the way, when I had the carburetors on my bike with all my modifications, Factory Pro dyno tuned my bike and ran into problems with the BRT TIS initially,but managed to tune it. Only problem was they had my bike for two weeks. Thanks, David

July 5th, 2011, 08:47 AM	#85
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	David. Glad you figured it out. Can you wrap the BRT TIS with foil or put some type of insulation to block out the electro interference?

July 5th, 2011, 09:16 AM	#89
forbitel ninjette.org member Name: telecom Location: Toledo, OH Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250r Posts: 43	I will be posting pics soon, thanks for waiting so patently. This is coming from a guy that wants his toys up and running NOW. lol.

July 5th, 2011, 10:33 AM	#90
etiainen CBR250R Traitor Name: Jon Location: Greater Philadelphia Area Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Red CBR250R 2009 Ninja 250r SE(With 2008 Fairings)(sold) Posts: 924	My friend with a 2010 250r is actually up for doing this on his bike(I use mine for every day commuting and detest using my car enough that I cannot go a day without riding ), probably come winter time when he's going to store it anyways. We'd be doing this together actually, and I was wondering how hard would this be and how long would it take(with some guidance of course )? We're both pretty mechanically inclined, but neither have us have taken apart a bike to the degree I assume this would entail...

July 5th, 2011, 12:27 PM	#93
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	What additional parts, besides what's come with the EFI did you have to purchase?

July 7th, 2011, 04:52 AM	#97
forbitel ninjette.org member Name: telecom Location: Toledo, OH Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250r Posts: 43	David, Congrats on getting the conversion completed successfully. Hey, I was wondering what are you experiences with the kit so far. I noticed that in ECO mode the system does have more torque at the bottom end, but losses torque at the top end. According to the info I got from ecotrons ECO mode tries to do Stoichiometric mixture all the time. the original curve form our carbs seems to be richer at the top end which makes sense since a 0.85 lambda gives you the most torque with the expense of more fuel consumption. Setting the switch to Rich brings back all the torque at the top end. Have you noticed the same?

July 13th, 2011, 01:25 PM	#98
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	so with this FI kit, the speedo is still mechanical? The kit doesn't replaces the mech as with stock FI?

July 19th, 2011, 07:18 PM	#101
assripp3r ninjette.org member Name: Canada Location: canada Join Date: Jul 2011 Motorcycle(s): 250 Posts: 18	man someone please make an instructional video. step by step. some mechanics wont even touch my tank to add a another pitcock. i like to see this work before give some guy 500 bucks. theres some kits on ebay for ninja 250r and the same guy (mat) but no one bought them there...

July 20th, 2011, 02:16 PM	#105
MKlein3004 Fighting Texas Aggie '08 Name: Mitchell Location: Allen, Tx Join Date: Feb 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r (Race), 2005 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-6R 636 (Track), 2005 Ducati Monster 620 (Street) Posts: 541	When the 250 becomes my track bike, this appears to be something I would consider. I am wondering what kind of power band and reliability this kit has when it is fully tuned. I'm in on this discusion Last futzed with by MKlein3004; July 20th, 2011 at 02:18 PM. Reason: iPad keyboard sucks. Lol

July 21st, 2011, 11:56 PM	#107
greg737 - Name: - Location: - Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): - Posts: A lot.	Here's what my 2005 EX-250 Fuel Injection project bike sounds like. It's not the kit you're discussing in this thread, this is a "one-of-a-kind" configuration that I put together myself. It uses a Microsquirt FI controller. Best to watch it on a computer with good speakers, my laptop doesn't do it justice but it sounds just like I'm riding it when I watch on my home computer. Link to original page on YouTube.

July 23rd, 2011, 01:16 AM	#109
greg737 - Name: - Location: - Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): - Posts: A lot.	What do you think you just watched?

July 23rd, 2011, 01:29 AM	#110
rusninja Ninjette wanabe :D Name: Ruslan Location: San Jose Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): white 300 :D Posts: A lot.	old pair of boots __________________________________________________ VROOOM vrooom >.>

July 23rd, 2011, 03:31 PM	#112
rusninja Ninjette wanabe :D Name: Ruslan Location: San Jose Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): white 300 :D Posts: A lot.	nope but im pretty sure unless your wearing to different boots makes it a pair :P __________________________________________________ VROOOM vrooom >.>

July 25th, 2011, 08:31 PM	#114
Johnnyscoots Over 40 Ninjette Owner Name: John Location: Denver, Pa Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawasaki VN900C (Black), 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R (Red/Two Bros. Slip on, 41 Tooth Rear Sprocket) Posts: 77	To quote the inimitable Jeremy (Jezza) Clarkson: POWER!!!!!!!!!!! __________________________________________________ So Long, and Thanks for All The Fish! Vulcan 900 Custom: Cafe windscreen, OEM backrest and Lockable side cases!!!

August 31st, 2011, 09:20 AM	#118
natek ninjette.org member Name: nathan Location: Springfield IL Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): Honda Ruckus Posts: 35	sounds like a lot of work and money. did anyone end up getting power figures or a build cost sheet?

August 31st, 2011, 05:03 PM	#119
Indetrucks CVMA #69 Name: Christian Location: Southern California Join Date: Aug 2011 Motorcycle(s): 1st Gen SV650 Race Bikes, Ninja 250R Race bike, 05 YZ125, 73 CB350 Cafe Racer Posts: 41	I'm lost... Is there a summary on one of the pages? How much was the kit? How much HP is it putting out over stock etc... Didn't see it in the first post. __________________________________________________ ~Christian CVMA #69

August 31st, 2011, 06:46 PM	#120
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Since I have a pregen, and lack the knowledge/monetary freedom to go about modding this kit to work on my bike, I hope to hear some long term reviews from others as the kit has to deal with intake/exhaust/elevation changes etc and see how it works long term. Then, after college when I get a new 250, this will be on the top of my list of things to do if the 250R isn't FI by then. very cool

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