June 9th, 2011, 05:12 PM | #1 |
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Ground to coil?
I'm installing the trail tech vapor on my 2009, just curious if the negative terminal on the coil would be an acceptable ground for the tach sensor wire?
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June 9th, 2011, 05:43 PM | #2 |
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What do your instructions say?
One of there instructions says to wrap a wire around a spark plug wire for tach sig http://www.trailtech.net/media/instr...010-ELV-09.pdf |
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June 9th, 2011, 05:47 PM | #3 |
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Instead of that I connected the signal wire directly to the lead on the coil and got better results.
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June 10th, 2011, 07:29 AM | #4 |
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Neither terminal on the low voltage side of the coil is grounded, so you'll have to use a different location. That mounting bolt toward the rear of the coil isn't grounded, either. I just installed a Vapor tach on my race bike, and it required a 600k ohm series resistor in the red tach wire to get a stable tach reading. You can get the cable with the 600k ohm resistor built in from Trail Tech if your kit didn't come with one. They sent it to me for free...
Since I removed my entire stock instrument cluster, I made all my connections to that square 9 pin connector--everything you need is in it. The ground wire is black with a yellow stripe, the tach signal wire is black, and the 12 V power wire is brown with a black stripe. Also, be sure the Vapor unit is set for 1 pulse per revolution for use on the Ninja 250. I can post some pics in a few days when I get back from racing this weekend. |
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June 11th, 2011, 03:59 AM | #5 |
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Sweet, thats all I needed to know. Thanks
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June 11th, 2011, 04:04 AM | #6 |
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one question though. I got everything setup yesterday and went with the signal wire directly to the lead on the coil. Would I get more accurate tach readings going off the stock gauge signal wire?
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June 11th, 2011, 04:33 AM | #7 |
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I am using the cable with the resistor in it by the way.
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June 11th, 2011, 01:19 PM | #8 |
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Could you take a pic of how you have the magnet sensor mounted, I can't seem to get a reading?
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June 13th, 2011, 06:53 AM | #9 |
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The black wire on the coil is directly connected to the stock tach, so you'll get the same signal whether you connect at the black wire on the coil or to the black wire in the 9 pin connector. Alternatively, you could connect your tach to the green wire on the coil on the other side of the bike, which is the same pulse signal but timed differently for the other cylinder. This green wire doesn't go to the 9 pin connector, though.
I haven't found a good way to mount the magnet speed sensor, either. Mine is a race bike, so the speed sensor isn't a very big priority for me, but I'll let you know if I think of something. |
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June 13th, 2011, 02:14 PM | #10 |
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Thanks for the update. With the speed sensor they gave me the curved one to fit the diameter of the fork which I couldn't get to pick up the signal, so I ordered this bolt type sensor to use instead. I figure I can make a bracket out of aluminum. I'll post picks when I get it done.
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December 27th, 2011, 10:42 PM | #11 |
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Digging up this old thread I know, but what model of the trail tech vapor are you guys using? Also looking to use this on a race / track only bike.
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December 28th, 2011, 08:21 AM | #12 |
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I think I got the Vapor model 75-700:
http://www.trailtech.net/75-700.html Most any model will work for just the tach function. Just be sure to specify that you need the tach wire with the 600k ohm series resistor in it, or you'll have to add that on your own. The brass temperature sensor from the 75-700 unscrews from the black plastic pipe it comes in and fits inside the new-gen Ninja 250's thermostat housing (replacing the stock one). I never did find a good way to mount the speed sensor on the fork, but was never really motivated to do that for a race bike. The Vapor will need to be set for 1 pulse per revolution for the Ninja 250. |
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January 2nd, 2012, 02:32 AM | #13 |
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mike_k, thanks for the advice, much appreciated. I ended up with the 752-600 and the rpm sensor with the built in resistor.
The distinction between the different model numbers is for determining whether the bike has conventional or inverted forks, and air or water cooling. For anyone else looking to pick one up just specify conventional forks, water-cooled, and that you'd like the raptor atv rpm wire. Got it this weekend and wired it up and all went well, and the brass temp sensor did indeed fit in the thermostat housing, pretty cool. Last question, how did you mount yours up? I'm trying to figure a way to use the mount included in the dash kit but it looks like it isnt going to be very straight forward. Thanks again -Omar |
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January 4th, 2012, 10:20 PM | #14 |
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I picked up a used raptor version of the vapor, and I am addapting it to my pregen. I need to splice in the 600k ohm resistor, and wanted to make sure that it is spliced into the red wire which connects to the pos side of the coil. Is that correct?
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January 5th, 2012, 08:59 PM | #15 |
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I just mounted mine to a small tab at the center of the fairing stay. That tab may have been used to hold a wire harness in place for the instrument cluster I removed. So I bent it flat, and used one screw to hold the Vapor unit in place.
Most others I've seen mount it to that cross bar on the fairing stay, but that's where I mount a little video camera, so I didn't have room. Yep, it's in series with the red wire, so just cut it and solder or crimp each leg of the resistor to the two ends of the red wire you just cut. |
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January 6th, 2012, 05:03 PM | #16 |
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Thanks Mike. Soldered in the resister and hooked it up last night. Work's like a champ!
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June 7th, 2013, 05:28 PM | #17 |
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I was just reading through this thread and I saw some of you couldn't find the right resistor in the store so I just want to point out you can combine resistors in order to create your desired ohm rating. For connection in series you take the cumulative total of the resistors. For parallel connection you would take the inverse of the sum of the inverses which would be ( 1 / (1/R1) + (1/R2) + (1/R3).......)
If you could find two 1.2M ohm resistors and place them in parallel this would give you half the resistance rating or the 600k ohm rating you were looking for. Likewise six 100k Ohm resistors could be connected in series to get the same rating. Hope that helps? Just make sure the power rating of your weakest resistor is at least the 1/4 Watt specified.... |
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