April 24th, 2015, 05:08 PM | #1 |
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April 24th, 2015, 06:39 PM | #2 |
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April 25th, 2015, 02:43 PM | #3 |
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Moar picssss.
I find myself very drawn to Ducs. Want a 696/796.
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April 25th, 2015, 04:07 PM | #4 |
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^ ty but naa, don't want to bore the masses.
the 2V Ducs are, contrary to "legend", quite reliable. Mine is self-serviced, never been in a shop, original owner bought new Sept 94. One must, however, learn to check and adjust the Desmodromic valve system. Different, tricky, but doable. Mine has dual downdraft 38MM Mikuni carbs...I'm pretty good with them too |
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April 25th, 2015, 05:04 PM | #5 |
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that looks super fun to ride! congrats! how long did it take you to find it?
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April 25th, 2015, 05:37 PM | #6 |
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I *am* that original owner from new. Yes, fun factor 11, light, sticks like glue, awesome handler, great torque. Draws stares, waves, thumbs up, whoops and hollers wherever i go.
Ok, kdogg, here's a more close up pic, though from a few years ago. As I posted, never been in a shop, 25K miles....always self serviced. A fantastic streetbike. Absolutely a keeper, its willed to my younger brother in Florida (an EX500 owner) when....well, when. Visually stock, but got some tasty mods for reliability and performance sake. A Mosfet regulator/rectifier (from a ZX10), an LED voltage indicator, special valve keepers, Barnett clutch (dry), Michelin Pilots, Factory Pro carb innards.....blah blah blah. I've refined it over 20 years of ownership. |
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April 25th, 2015, 06:05 PM | #7 |
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the Duc's stablemate
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April 26th, 2015, 05:35 AM | #8 | |
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I'm hoping to get a Monster 696 soon. I'll probably have to go to a dealer for maintenance at first but hope to eventually do most maintenance myself.
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April 26th, 2015, 06:01 AM | #9 |
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an oldie but a goodie.
Air cooled 2V Ducs (your 696 included) are dead reliable when correctly maintained. Some info for you if contemplating: BELTS (timing belts, no cam chain (s) *must* be replaced every 3 years...its an interference engine..valves meet pistons if belt breaks. There are 2, about $90 ...and 2 hours DIY labor. VALVES checks are easy, the desmo system opens AND shuts valves mechanically (no valve springs) there is both an opening AND closing clearance, adjusted via shims. 6000 mile inspection required, as they break in.. the valves stabilize to some degree. Def different, a bit tricky to perform shim changes when needed. But not impossible at all, just requires a unique method. Besides...there's only 4 to do! (see pic) Thats about all that requires unique treatment, running gear all common, simple stuff. Dry clutch...same basic design as wet, though your 696 is wet... nothing unique there. Good hunting for your future purchase! |
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April 26th, 2015, 08:03 AM | #10 |
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Thanks! Doing those two things on my own eventually is in the plans.
I'll post here if I pick anything up!
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April 28th, 2015, 11:56 PM | #11 |
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Interesting, possibly the first time I've heard a Duc owner say it's fairly reasonable to own and maintain your own. I'm curious, would you consider the 2v desmodromic valve adjustments easier or more difficult than a standard shim under bucket adjustment on an inline 4 sportbike?
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April 29th, 2015, 05:01 AM | #12 |
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2V Desmo system not at all the voodoo legendary in moto folklore, and not "dealer only" by a longshot
admittedly different, def requiring some mechanical aptitude and experience... but I'd submit its easier than pulling I4 cams for a shim swap. |
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April 29th, 2015, 09:20 AM | #13 |
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Isn't this the bike that Hunter S. Thompson wrote The Sausage Creature about?
I wish the 916 and it's evolution came in a 500cc power plant or something like that... Personally would love an old bevel drive 750 - The original Tron bike, no? Or, in those veins, the Sport GT, but I will never be able to afford that... Always wanted to futz with desmodromic... I think it's a genius solution to the problem they had, and is kinda of required for a Duc to be a Duc these days, if maybe it's a bit out dated...
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April 29th, 2015, 09:38 AM | #14 |
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Ducati need to do this again ....... stuff of dreams right here
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April 30th, 2015, 09:13 PM | #15 |
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Nice Ducati!
I once had the chance to own a 1987 Ducati Paso 750, but I couldn't justify owning a bike that I couldn't get repaired if anything happened to it.
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April 30th, 2015, 09:30 PM | #16 |
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January 12th, 2019, 01:57 PM | #17 |
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Bumpin' this ancient thread to show off my latest Ducati acquisition...an '07 SS800 , with just under 5000 miles.
I've modded and tweaked to my satisfaction. Lost the entire '18 riding season due to medical reasons....spring of '19 can't get here soon enough!
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January 13th, 2019, 07:55 AM | #18 |
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Congrats Gordon!
Can't have too many red bikes ya know! You deserve a treat after a rough 2018. Here's to a great 2019! |
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January 13th, 2019, 08:54 AM | #19 |
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Thanks, Jay. You know my situation.
Dunno....somehow the only bikes to find me are red. Can't explain it. No major complaints though.
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Very nice... Very nice....
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January 13th, 2019, 10:21 AM | #21 |
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thank boyz.
I know I'm kind of antiquated in my thinking...but the older, air cooled Ducs are nowhere near as complicated as the newer generations...therefore my attraction to them. Anti wheelie, anti skid, electronic this and that...the computerized controls are well and fine while warranty applies...but going forward will inevitably add to owner expense. I shudder to think the obscene $$$ service charges involved with repair of failures. The '07 pictured is FI...a bit more complicated with a Magneti Marelli ECU... my older carbed SS is laughably simple in comparo. These older gen SS's will attain 130 mph....more than needed as streetbikes, meanwhile are fully serviceable in their relative simplicity by competent owners. I'm not convinced at all that I need, nor do I desire a $15, 20 grand new gen Supersport....Ducati or other. My current oldies fully scratch my itch. I'll submit (fully my opinion) there are realistic, positive benefits in long term cost of ownership with these oldies as opposed to the new breed. I guess time will tell....and of course...YMMV.
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January 13th, 2019, 05:37 PM | #23 |
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quite alright, though they speaking some weird language in the vid
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January 13th, 2019, 07:55 PM | #24 |
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Very nice! The bikes that find you are red, vehicles that find us are yellow.
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January 14th, 2019, 07:48 AM | #25 |
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only red, in your case yeller....weird, innit?
(mind you, i'm not complaining one bit)
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January 14th, 2019, 08:05 AM | #26 |
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nice, I have been eyeing the air cooled 1100 Multi S for some time as maybe my next do it all bike
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January 14th, 2019, 09:46 AM | #27 |
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^ I'd urge you to mosey over to ducati.ms forum and do research on service requirements, costs, procedures, difficulties and problems before diving straight in. Not limited to calling a dealer service dept for labor rates and planned maintenance services for your particular model (especially belt and valve service)
That way no "surprises" involved, you'll know going in whether a Yamaha, Zuk or Kawasaki would be a better choice for you. There are those that bitch about extreme Ducati dealer service fees.....but made no effort in finding that info out BEFORE buying the bike.
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January 14th, 2019, 01:11 PM | #28 |
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Heh, heh.... I almost bought an '88 Ferrari Testarossa while back. Checked with dealer on regular maintenance items like timing-belt. Due tight packaging, engine has to be removed in order to replace timing-belt, $5-8K each time. Yikers, no thanks!!!
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January 14th, 2019, 01:43 PM | #29 |
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^ wow, enough to scare any but the most fortunate away
good thing you checked that, eh Danno? Some of the latest gen Duc Multistradas $1500-1800 not unusual for major services ....best to know going in. Precisely why I like the DIY oldies.
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January 14th, 2019, 03:47 PM | #31 |
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I'd never be able to afford upkeep on 2 Ducatis and a Honda VFR V4 if I didn't DIY.
Owning multiple bikes...doing all scheduled maintenance from oil changes to valve adjustments and (especially) tire changes can get pricey. I'm currently learning how to "tune by computer" on the newer Duc, completely new to me (see pic) . Thankfully, all 3 are quite reliable machines.
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Yeah, all modern hot-rodding is done in software!
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January 14th, 2019, 08:02 PM | #33 |
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This stuff all new to me...I'm nowhere near competent to approach the hot rodding stage.....nothing wrong with the bike...at this time just doing "look don't touch" checks, dumbing my way around the software and acclimating to its basic functions, trying my best not to wreck anything.....wiping the factory ECM .bin file my biggest fear!
Educating myself...my motive is to get a leg up on being able to read, interpret, reset flipped codes, diagnose and perform corrective repairs ...OBD stuff....just like the family auto. Required some special cabling between laptop and bike diagnostic output plug. The laptop required a specific diagnostic program to read the Magnetti Marelli ECM. Aprilia, Moto Guzzi and Ducati use same brand ECM's and a few common software programs. Gotta admit, sometimes I miss the simple pilot, main jets and needles though, but I'll get there in time.
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^^ I feel you completely on that. I had no issues tuning a piggyback type module on my Subarus and did so frequently with a wideband and datalogging setup. I also had the ECU flashing software setup but I only used them to monitor the OEM tables and similar. Was always afraid of screwing up the OEM tables lol. Hondata flashing really was where I got my toes wet on OEM ECU flashing but it was MUCH simpler on the OBD1 Honda ECUs. My HF/NoMar/Mojo conglomeration has also served me well in that capacity - but I do like when the trackside tire vendor does it for me lol.
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January 15th, 2019, 07:33 PM | #35 |
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a perpetual learning curve
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April 15th, 2019, 06:14 PM | #37 |
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well thank you @Ducati999 As an older guy (retired from my regular job 3 years) my go fast days are way behind me. As are "project bikes" or restorations. The carb enterprise keeps me focused and occupied. I very much enjoy the business, challenge and activity.
I bought the 900SS/SP 25 years ago new, 34,000 miles now, its never been to a dealer. Its one and only "failure" (I rode home)...broke a $6 shift shaft return spring in 2017...other than that, the usual tires, fluids, filters, valves and belts, etc all normal maintenance. Garaged, covered, everything kept original, for the most part. Zero regrets buying that thing. Fun factor 11. The '07 SS800 acquired from my deceased neighbor. Bike sat in garage 6 years, made a very fair offer to widow, who accepted. Rick (the PO) would have wanted the bike operational, which it now is with just over 5000 miles. Its FI....and cherry. Stock save for GPR hi-rise exhaust. Light weight, great handler. Upon purchase I did belts, tires, fuel filter...thats it so far. The '98 5th Gen VFR800 Honda a bit heavier but has "that" gear driven cam V4, FI engine. Very comfy for longer rides, compliments the Ducati's perfectly. 42,000 on it....and counting. I've done a ton of maintenance on it. Turnkey, ready to go cross country...right now. All 3 are remarkably reliable. Needless to say are impeccably maintained. Fully satisfied with these...I'm just not inclined to buying anything newer or new. I think you would be well served with an older air-cooled "desmodue" Supersport. Easy to maintain, fun, light, good handler and looker, draws comments, conversations, waves, whoops and hollers wherever you go. I believe they have achieved a "late model classic" status. A guy over at Ducati.ms forum just picked up a complete, though neglected, '95 900SS for just $800. Great price, needs some TLC, he'll be piling on miles in no time. You a member over at Ducati.ms? Again, thank you for your comments.
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April 15th, 2019, 06:36 PM | #38 |
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I love old trellis frames made from chromoly tubing (Columbus?). I got through university building racing bicycle frames from that stuff. Seriously thinking about replicating A•N•D frame for 250/500 engines. Anyone have frame-weight of 900SS?
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April 16th, 2019, 06:47 AM | #39 |
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No idea of bare frame weight, never had a need nor want to know.
The attraction of 900SS is the total package, combination of Italian styling, low weight, aural appeal, suspension, handling, reliable, serviceable, dead simple, torquey output air cooled Desmodue powerplant...on and on. Those legendary Ducati engineers designed the whole package just right, IMHO. The machine still sought after, a huge following. Don't want nor need any new, complex, computerized controlled everything, new fangled stuff.
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Gordon, HUSH!! You're about to make me spend a bunch of money! The only thing stopping me so far is the local Ducs for sale that I want are not Red. Must Be Red!!
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