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Old October 18th, 2018, 08:58 PM   #1
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Manly handshake with front break lever.

So I forgot what I was doing today, heading to the bank and forgot a parking lot turn remembered a curb turned right and grabbed the front brake as though I wished to convey a sense of masculinity with my grip. The result a gentle fall onto right side at near stopped speeds. This makes me sad but on the plus side I now know for certain why you are supposed to be gentle with the front brake.

Damage report: right fairing??? Possibley more scratches than before hard to say did not memorize them all. (Iím 4th owner)

Right muffler, again scratches but not sure who added them all.

Windshield, broken in half (not sure how)

Ego, severely bruised.

Gear worn. Carhart coveralls (itís cold)
Steel toe work boots.
Armored gloves.
Puffy jacket under armored motorcycle jacket.
Full helmet.
No damage to gear or clothing.
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Old October 19th, 2018, 05:10 AM   #2
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Old October 19th, 2018, 06:14 AM   #3
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It's definitely not a rule that you should be gentle with the front brake. Using it a low speed while turning obviously calls for being gentle, but when you're practicing maximum stops from 60 mph, you can't be gentle with it. I'm just able to get my 250's rear wheel off the ground at the end of an extreme stop.
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Old October 19th, 2018, 07:03 AM   #4
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Partial answer. Your ability to brake massively is conditional.

You shouldn't GRAB a massive amount of brake all at once. That pops you over the limit of traction. But if the tire is already loaded, you can pull mighty hard... much harder than a pull that would break traction if done suddenly.

Ienatsch: "Load the tire before you work the tire."

Reason: When you brake progressively, the tire squishes and flattens out, increasing the size of your contact patch before you push it to the limit. In other words, the traction limit increases while you're still on the safe side of it.

The problem in a last-possible-second panic situation is that you may not have time to really do that... which is why it pays to look far ahead, anticipate, leave room, etc.
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Old October 19th, 2018, 08:41 AM   #5
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grabbed the front brake as though I wished to convey a sense of masculinity with my grip.
How do you guys come up with these kinds of statements? I'm rarely able to dream up witty phrases like that.

I like it, by the way, in case my intent is unclear.
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Old October 19th, 2018, 09:25 AM   #6
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Reason: When you brake progressively, the tire squishes and flattens out, increasing the size of your contact patch before you push it to the limit. In other words, the traction limit increases while you're still on the safe side of it.
Even more important is that the force the braking tire can apply in the direction to slow down the motorcycle is proportional to the force pushing it down against the pavement. The size of the contact patch helps, but going from about 1/2 of the motorcycle weight on the tire when not braking to nearly all of it during hard braking helps much more.
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Old October 19th, 2018, 10:18 AM   #7
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How do you guys come up with these kinds of statements? I'm rarely able to dream up witty phrases like that.

I like it, by the way, in case my intent is unclear.
Read more.

Surf less.

Pay attention to intelligent humor.
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Old October 19th, 2018, 07:45 PM   #8
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Wait can I infer that my humor may have been intelligent? Can I get a sworn statement of intelligent humor for my girlfriend?

Back on topic I did find a blue windshield online I plan on ordering I think itíll look nicer on the blue bike.

As for minor errant errands next time I nearly miss my parking lot entrance Iíll just make a lap instead of trying to make an immediate turn.
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Old October 20th, 2018, 04:04 AM   #9
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Wait can I infer that my humor may have been intelligent? Can I get a sworn statement of intelligent humor for my girlfriend?
Based on a name my wife frequently calls me, she believes that even my buttocks are intelligent.

I take it as a high compliment.
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Old October 20th, 2018, 05:01 AM   #10
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Oh thatís good, Iíll have to use that one in the future. Lol
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Old October 21st, 2018, 11:18 AM   #11
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"Ego- severely bruised" - that made me laugh. They do bruise easily, don't they?

I'm glad the damage isn't severe and you're not injured.
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Old October 21st, 2018, 11:58 AM   #12
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The thing Iíve found now Iím nearly 30 is egos heal lol and the bike will be better than when I bought it after the winter repair season.

On the plus side I got authorization from the gf to buy a two piece leather set and motorcycle specific boots when budget allows now she has a better idea of the dangers.
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Old October 21st, 2018, 09:49 PM   #13
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That will be nice for you to have good riding gear.
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Old October 21st, 2018, 10:00 PM   #14
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Kind of a good deal a $20 windshield for a recommendation to buy better gear from the gf?! Peace in my mind and in my home what a wonderful world.
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Old October 22nd, 2018, 09:55 AM   #15
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Shopping tip:

Don't think "two-piece suit."
Think "Jacket and pants that zip together."

The difference is really more marketing than anything else, but if you look specifically for two-piece suits your choices will be limited.

Pants and jackets from the same brand should zip together no problem, but since there is no standardization of zippers -- either style or direction -- the odds of getting a match from different manufacturers are small.

This is easily gotten around with modest sewing skills and a trip to the fabric store for an appropriate zipper. I happen to have access to a sewing machine so I was able to retrofit a zipper compatible with my AGVSport pants into my Alpinestars jacket, alonside the OEM zipper. Or you can just take it to a tailor.

If you're going to wear leather because you want better protection, do it right. Do not buy "fashion" leather designed for the Harley crowd. Get proper stuff and upgrade armor as needed. I wear touring-style boots (they still come up over my calf) for comfort, but everything else is basically track-oriented.

By all means, get perforated pants and jacket. You're going to get warm in summer if you're not moving so you might as well do what you can to keep the air flowing.

Wear long sleeves under the jacket. When you start sweating it'll be hard to get out of it if you don't. Your arms will stick to the lining. Same with pants. I wear wicking base layers, top and bottom.

No getting around it... leather is hot in the summer. There are lots of tricks to stay cool... my favorites are all variations on the "swamp cooler" idea. I wear a balaclava or skull cap and on hot days run it under cold water before putting it on. Keeps my head (and therefore my body) cool for quite a while. I wet my shirt too on really nasty days... just pour water down your chest, etc.

There's also the whole street-clothes-vs.-riding-gear thing. You have to figure out what works for you. A lot of people go the armored riding jeans route as a good alternative. Being an ATGATT guy who believes in leather and does not like to compromise when it comes to safety, what works for me is this:

- When commuting, I wear a work shirt under my jacket and wicking long underwear under the pants. I keep a pair of nice jeans and comfy slip-on shoes in my desk at work. A 3-minute trip to the bathroom to change and I'm ready to go for the day.

- When riding for fun I wear wicking base layers top and bottom and keep my gear on at all times.

- If I'm going somewhere where I need to dress up I'm not going to ride the bike anyway. I'll drive. Priorities. However, if for whatever reason I do need to wear street clothes at the destination and I simply MUST ride, pants and shoes go into a backpack.
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I wear a long-sleeve shirt under my jackets, too. Definitely helps keep it from sticking.
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What’s the policy on overpants? Ive seen a fair few that seem good but I’m too new to judge quality.
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I wear these in the winter.
https://www.cyclegear.com/gear/bilt-...terproof-pants

warm, not exactly as waterproof as they lead you to believe. But their good enough to stay reasonably comfortable and dry-ish when I get to work. I haven't crash tested them and hope I don't. But there's a decent amount of added padding and knee/shin armor built in.

The piece of gear that's helped the most is gaiters. They close the gap between my boots and pants and let my socks keep me much warmer.
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Seems to have fairly positive reviews I like the addition of hip armor what y’all think?
https://www.amazon.com/HWK-Breathabl...RH4?th=1&psc=1

As for your suggestion Awdang I’m not seeing hip armor am I missing something dry isn’t a priority.
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Whatís the policy on overpants? Ive seen a fair few that seem good but Iím too new to judge quality.
I also have a pair of overpants that I wear when it's cold enough that my perforated leather pants would not work well. They don't fit over the leather pants, so I wear jeans underneath.

To me, they are a bit of a compromise. They're textile so basically one off and they're done because they won't hold up to abrasion as well. However, in between mutiple layers in the overpants and another layer of regular trousers beneath, I'm reasonably confident that I won't suffer road rash.

The bigger issue is that by definition they have to be loose. That means the armor isn't guaranteed to stay in place when your friendly local road surface tries its best to rip your clothing off.
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So leather pants for funsies and overpants for workday commuting would fit my life with what I’ll call an acceptable amount of risk.
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One of my friends wears overpants for commuting. I wear kevlar-lined jeans for my commuting.
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The Kevlar jeans while sounding good I hate jeans... so overpants it is!
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Wait can I infer that my humor may have been intelligent? Can I get a sworn statement of intelligent humor for my girlfriend?

Back on topic I did find a blue windshield online I plan on ordering I think itíll look nicer on the blue bike.

As for minor errant errands next time I nearly miss my parking lot entrance Iíll just make a lap instead of trying to make an immediate turn.
Last second decisions rarely end will

Glad up are OK
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Yeah I knew as soon as I started the quick turn I had made a mistake. Thankfully it’s a cheap mistake that bought experience
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