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January 1st, 2013, 06:29 AM | #42 |
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Possibly some more practice today in a few hours. Maybe I can find something to prop my phone up with to record a quick video.
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January 2nd, 2013, 03:39 PM | #43 |
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Got a very productive ~2.5 hour session in today. Learned a few things I'll share with you guys.
Have you every played that game at an arcade where there is a string of light bulbs that light up one at a time and your job is to hit the big red button just at the moment the one light in front of you is lit? That is exactly the 'game' you play when doing clutch ups. The "light" you are keeping watch on is the rpms you know lift your bike up to the balance point. Pretty simple but I just thought the two were so similar I would mention it. If you go a little under your rev point you aren't going to have any success (with our bike). If you go a little over you are going to be popping it up a tad bit too far and be forced to make corrections. One thing I learned today is that a perfect combination of road speed, engine speed, bounce, throttle speed, and I think to a lesser extent body positioning are crucial to doing anything resembling a wheelie on the 250. For first gear I have found that going almost to a dead stop produces good results. This is because you actually have the most time to get the bike up and ride it out on one wheel. When going faster you have to be more accurate because you will quickly come back down or loop out compared to going very slowly. This helps to analyze what you are doing because it doesn't happen so quickly. After a lot of trial and error I realized you have to be very systematic with when you dump your clutch. Once you find that certain engine speed that is working for you (combined with the road speed, throttle speed, etc...) that is what you aim for every single time as precisely as you can; the more repetitive the movements the more predictable they become and they begin to become 2nd nature. We are taught to keep our eyes off the gauges but for this purpose your eyes need to be glued to the gauge until that finger slips off the clutch. The bounce is a little easier to replicate from one wheelie to the next so there is not much to keep in mind here other than you can make yourself loop out if you give too forceful of a bounce. Pumping the bike is essential for the wheelie, it is not just gospel it's the difference between 6 in. and 3 feet. If you give the bike a real forceful pump you can get away with 8k revs. I dont see any real reason to do this though as you will wear yourself out in no time. I said I would experiment with how hard I opened the throttle and that's exactly what I did today. What I learned is that just like any of the other variables, the throttle speed is just as important. Too slow-no wheelie, too fast- too high of a wheelie. My best wheelies today were when I gave it a good hard throttle with about 2 seconds in duration from idle to 9k rpms. You can almost count it in your head, at 1 second the engine is about 4.5k and the next second the needle is hitting 9k and you're dumping the clutch. I hope it doesn't seem like I was stating the obvious too much here but a lot of my uncertainty was removed today after a lot of trial and error and I wanted to impart some of that to whoever wants to learn now or in the future. One thing I began doing was using my rear brake to bring my bike's speed down just prior to the wheelie so that I am always reminded of my backup on the occasion I overrev the bike. Everything happens very quickly so having things drilled into your head is key! Wheelies are a bit of a workout so wear lots of deoderant! Cliffs: Road speed x Engine speed x Pump x Throttle speed = Wheelie. Change any of these variables and you'll have to compensate somewhere. |
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^ just curious but how much do you weight? I don't think weight would make a huge difference but probably a slight difference with the 250.
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One note about road speed: A total stop or a very low road speed eliminates the balance of the rear wheel, once the steering is out of the equation; starting up in perfect balance is important in that case. Above expert advice from Post #23 recommends starting at 5 ~ 10 mph, which means moving at 7.3 ~ 14.7 ft/sec
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Haters gonna hate man. Just keep riding and the bike control will come with it.
Wheelies aren't just about doing wheelies. They are about bike control. Most of my friends are stunters. They are some of the most talented riders I have ever seen, the amount of bike control is amazing. We aren't talking about just wheelies either. You should really seek a group out. They are very friendly people, you will learn something, and I guarantee a lot could out ride even most experienced riders. Most do not cruise the streets either, they are usually in a lot area. A very talented female rider named Brittany started out on a Ninja 250r and she absolutely kills it. Don't let the haters on here get to you. Honda CRF50's are really cheap. A lot of people start out on them, they are bulletproof, and you won't be afraid to crash it. Fiddystunts!
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January 4th, 2013, 03:07 PM | #52 |
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Got another session in today. Can't say much other than I am getting better. I recorded myself and it seems like I am not getting it far enough up even though it feels like it. The few times I've gotten it up to balance point I've let off the throttle and had the front come down hard. The balance point feels pretty high up there. I guess my goal for next session is getting it up higher and trying to ride it out more. Im gonna experiment with no bounce now because it looked kind of silly in the video.. the suspension is just too soft. 10k rpms also feels more reliable.
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January 4th, 2013, 04:10 PM | #53 |
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call me a middle school kid with a perverted mind but that ^ was funny. Don't even need to change any wording it is perfect the way it is.
In short good luck keeping it up. Keep recording yourself if it works for you, some people like the bounce some don't, experiment with RPM's till you get what gives you the most control and results you are looking for |
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January 5th, 2013, 07:06 AM | #59 |
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I don't really want to see a clip of a 250 doing a perfect wheelie, i'd rather see someone attempt to do one to help determine problem areas for pulling wheelies.
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January 5th, 2013, 07:55 AM | #60 |
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I agree with this ^
Don't worry about what it looks like now. See the progression of your wheelies i think would be great. The fact that you can get your front wheel off the ground more than a foot i think is good progress in it's self. |
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Too bad products like wheelieteach.com are focused on the bigger bikes.
I think that would be awesome tool, although I have my reservations about how well it would go once you removed that device.
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January 5th, 2013, 12:03 PM | #62 |
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Holy **** are you serious!? You can increase torque by changing the sprockets!? Do yamaha and suzuki know about this yet!?
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January 5th, 2013, 12:32 PM | #63 |
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January 6th, 2013, 09:31 AM | #64 |
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I have -1, +2 gearing I don't think I'm gonna mess with it any further than that. I think it made a slight difference, just enough to tell I guess. You get a little choppy throttle in 1st gear if you're not mindful
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January 10th, 2013, 04:17 PM | #65 |
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I have no clue where to look for a group. I havent seen anyone stunt the entire time I've lived in FL.
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http://stuntride.com/vbstunt/forum.php
Hit up stuntride.com & ask around for your area. Stunters from all over the world frequent the stunt ride forum, even the professional stunters. Stunting is a very small sport with a small community.
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January 10th, 2013, 06:01 PM | #67 |
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lol so I was just curious of how little power our favorite baby ninja has. So dropped the clutch around 6-7 rpms. My face was probably priceless at how far that wheel actually got up. I really didn't think it would do it that low in the rpms... hmm Well got it out of my system don't think I'll be doing wheelies anytime soon. (or ever... what the hell is the point?? lol)
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No wheelie lol but the front came off the ground a wee bit I never claimed I was standing upright!
It could have been slightly high RPM's too... idk I can't honestly remember.
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Go 10mph, rev to 12k and try again
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January 10th, 2013, 06:10 PM | #71 |
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That sounds scary. I'll pass.
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What's the worst that could happen?
The last time I tried it I broke my leg later that day, so its not that bad
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January 10th, 2013, 06:13 PM | #73 |
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LOL. That gave me a load of confidence! I don't want to ruin her already!! She is still pretty. Plus I added a nice gismo today... which I forgot to update the thread about...
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learn to wheelie a bicycle. once you can keep a wheelie up indefinitely, learn to wheelie a 50cc with a clutch. once you get used to the gas/clutch instead of pedaling you should be able to hold it up... now move to a bigger bike and its magically easy to balance once you get used to either clutch popping it or using the suspension to pop it up... make sure you record all of your failures. nobody cares that you can wheelie but everyone loves watching stunt fails.
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Thx for the link.
I can wheelie and manual bikes (I rode bmx for a long time) but the trouble I have is mostly getting it up all the way. I think I just need more umpf in both rpms and pump. If i find a group to ride with that will help boost my motivation. Everyone knows we get more extreme in groups |
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Did a good session this morning. I realize now its better to do more quality practice versus trying to get in as many wheelies as I could in. It's really just a matter of giving 100% of your attention and energy. Anything less is just not gonna work. I'm at the point where I can hit the balance point but I react reflexively by bringing my body in so the bike doesn't stay upright. I just gotta keep experimenting with the throttle to get the right amount of power. I also notice I move my weight around the bike just as if I'm on a bicycle. I know this is good but its keeping my focus off the throttle. That's my rant for today more practice in a bit maybe.
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@FvnnyL3tt3r1ng hows the wheelie practice coming, hopefully better than this guy
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