What performance mods can I do on a Fuel Injected 2010?

[Shaol1n Monk]

So I cant re jet the carbs obviously so jet kits are out. I have a slip on exhaust, if i put a full exhaust on and K&N air filter then I'm told i'll need to add a power commander to make everything run properly.

Even if i just add the air filter im gonna need to drop 300+ on the Power commander.

alot of the performance mods i see on here are regarding a carburated engine. if there are some mods for the FI could someone please point me in the right direction? Im not trying to go crazy and spend a ton of money (im saving for a track bike), but i'd like to do a few little things to add a lil HP.

does anyone know of a cheaper brand of the power commander? i saw a nitroX on ebay but couldnt find one for the 250.

thanks

[Shaol1n Monk]

so after doing some research it looks like the Power Commander V 17-001 is the one for a FI Ninja 250R.

[Madchild]

where did you get a FI NINJA?

[Honko]

Originally Posted by Shaol1n Monk

What performance mods can I do on a Fuel Injected 2010

Location: Philly

EXPLAIN YOURSELF!

[kaiserz]

FI??????

[Alex]

I went searching for the thread where he must have explained getting a FI one. And I can't find one! So we need one.

[DjDiablo]

So... FI... I got one auhauhauah... Well I am from brasil sooo... And this is what we do he air filter eexhaust sistem and Iridium spark plugs... that should get u a weeli when u get off the stop lights... aboute the power command i think is a good thing but we not use it all the times on the bikes over here in brasil... but i recomend that if u got the money get it!!!

[Shaol1n Monk]

I bought my 2010 250R about 3 months ago. When I bought it at the dealership the salesman told me "you can use any type of gas, its got fuel injection so you can use the cheap stuff". being new to working with engines in general I didnt really pay it much mind. I have been working under the assumption that to do air filters etc i would need to rejet the carbs. Then last nite i was talking to a friend who owns a gsxr and recently installed a power commander and he said "rejet what? ur bike is fuel injected isnt it? you need a power commander, you dont have carbs" and i thought about what the salesman said.

so again i am a noob with engines so help me out. im looking for my owners manual now. do i have carbs? FI? both?

aside from a slip on exhaust all my mods have been cosmetic. i am looking into performance mods now so i need to figure this out.

thanks for ur help and patience with the new guy.

[Alex]

If you bought it in the US, it's got carbs. The FI model is only in a few overseas markets. (Japan, parts of Europe, parts of South America, etc.)

[kaiserz]

You got us all excited there.
As far as I know, all northamerican ninja 250's are carb bikes, so having a FI bike makes you one of a kind, special, and we're just pretty much "envious" that you got a FI bike and we didn't, and our initial reaction was "WHAT???" "HOW???" "WHY????"

Anyway if you do really have a one of a kind FI ninja250, then you're very lucky.

Also one question, do you have any choke on your bike? if you do, then your bike is a carb bike not FI, cause correct me if I'm wrong, only carb bikes uses "choke"

[Honko]

Originally Posted by DjDiablo

So... FI... I got one auhauhauah... Well I am from brasil sooo... And this is what we do he air filter eexhaust sistem and Iridium spark plugs... that should get u a weeli when u get off the stop lights... aboute the power command i think is a good thing but we not use it all the times on the bikes over here in brasil... but i recomend that if u got the money get it!!!

[DjDiablo]

Like I said here in brasil WE got FI... Mosta part of the time we only do the mod i told u... Each is good as hell i can go about 180km/h what shoud be something like 112 M/h... if i wanted to go faster than this i would buy a 650cc.

But if u realy got a FI just get the air filter a exhaust sitem (not just the silencer) and the Iridium spark plugs.

[nickjpass]

Originally Posted by kaiserz

You got us all excited there.
As far as I know, all northamerican ninja 250's are carb bikes, so having a FI bike makes you one of a kind, special, and we're just pretty much "envious" that you got a FI bike and we didn't, and our initial reaction was "WHAT???" "HOW???" "WHY????"

Anyway if you do really have a one of a kind FI ninja250, then you're very lucky.

Also one question, do you have any choke on your bike? if you do then your bike is a carb bike, not FI, cause correct me if I'm wrong, only carb bikes uses "choke"

Yeahp. FI's don't need choke because I don't know.

[almost40]

Choke=carb=jet-kit=$100 more or less.

[Shaol1n Monk]

yea, my bad guys. im looking thru my manual and theres nothing about fuel injection. i was under the impression it was carbed since i bought it, but then talking w my friend last nite made me think about what the salesman said. apparently the salesman was an idiot
so i can go back to my original plan for air filter and jet kit and dont need to spend 400 on a PC

can i just delete this thread and hide my noob shame now???

[Honko]

Originally Posted by Shaol1n Monk

yea, my bad guys. im looking thru my manual and theres nothing about fuel injection. i was under the impression it was carbed since i bought it, but then talking w my friend last nite made me think about what the salesman said. apparently the salesman was an idiot
so i can go back to my original plan for air filter and jet kit and dont need to spend 400 on a PC

can i just delete this thread and hide my noob shame now???

There is no shame in learning something new

[Alex]

Originally Posted by kaiserz

Also one question, do you have any choke on your bike? if you do, then your bike is a carb bike not FI, cause correct me if I'm wrong, only carb bikes uses "choke"

This is mostly accurate, but a number of FI bikes still have a fast-idle lever in the same exact location performing the same basic function (making the bike easier to start and warm up quickly). The more modern FI systems have done away with the need for even that, but they aren't extinct yet.

[DjDiablo]

Quote:
Originally Posted by kaiserz View Post
You got us all excited there.
As far as I know, all northamerican ninja 250's are carb bikes, so having a FI bike makes you one of a kind, special, and we're just pretty much "envious" that you got a FI bike and we didn't, and our initial reaction was "WHAT???" "HOW???" "WHY????"

Anyway if you do really have a one of a kind FI ninja250, then you're very lucky.

Also one question, do you have any choke on your bike? if you do then your bike is a carb bike, not FI, cause correct me if I'm wrong, only carb bikes uses "choke"
Yeahp. FI's don't need choke because I don't know.

Choke is for when the motor is cool so us keep puting more gas in to it so is does not die on u (keeps the RPM on a good range)... than when the motor is hot u turn it off so u dont waste too much gas...

[DjDiablo]

This is mostly accurate, but a number of FI bikes still have a fast-idle lever in the same exact location performing the same basic function (making the bike easier to start and warm up quickly). The more modern FI systems have done away with the need for even that, but they aren't extinct yet.

Well all I do on my bike is turn it on and it has a sensor that defines the RPM that the bike needs to heat it up... as soon as it is warm I lowers the RPM and than is good to go (takes about 2 min for it to warm up on normals days)

[kaiserz]

What performance mods can I do on a Fuel Injected 2010?
We all started as "newbies" before, and that's why we have this forum so we can learn, and gain knowledge.

Anyway back to the topic

I would say it would be the same as a carb bike, minus the hassle of jetting your carbs.

If you want performance MODS:
Try removing your snorkel http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=10090

you can also do this (airbox delete, + airfilters)
http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=11899

get a full exhaust system, don't get a slip-on("arguably" slip-ons are just sound farkles)

Spark plugs sounds good like DjDiablo said, but I think I would skip that first, cause you might mess something up(haven't really gotten myself to read about sparkplugs, but i heard they do make a difference)

And of course a power commander

[kaiserz]

Originally Posted by Alex

This is mostly accurate, but a number of FI bikes still have a fast-idle lever in the same exact location performing the same basic function (making the bike easier to start and warm up quickly). The more modern FI systems have done away with the need for even that, but they aren't extinct yet.

Thank you sir, I learned something new today (:

Originally Posted by DjDiablo

Well all I do on my bike is turn it on and it has a sensor that defines the RPM that the bike needs to heat it up... as soon as it is warm I lowers the RPM and than is good to go (takes about 2 min for it to warm up on normals days)

LUCKY -.-;

[DjDiablo]

I got Iridion Spark plugs on my bike... Makes it sound diferent... add some power on low RPM... I did not do it my self cause u need to know to tight the sparks or you will brake it... with air filter is great combo!!!

[gt_turbo]

Originally Posted by Shaol1n Monk

yea, my bad guys. im looking thru my manual and theres nothing about fuel injection. i was under the impression it was carbed since i bought it, but then talking w my friend last nite made me think about what the salesman said. apparently the salesman was an idiot
so i can go back to my original plan for air filter and jet kit and dont need to spend 400 on a PC

can i just delete this thread and hide my noob shame now???

i chuckled a bit, but there's no shame in being noob. everybody's a noob at one point.

[micoulisninja]

my friends, I've been in thorough research on what works and what doesn't work on the FI model... I own the fastest and most modified non-nitrous 250 in europe and I can tell a few tested engine mods... but the thing is... they are costly AND they don't deliver the expected power...

for starters I reccomend removing the ecu controlled (second) butterflies, Kleen system and airbox modifications (snorkel removal is not a modification for the FI model !! instead it creates a huge "valley" in the torque curve betwwen 3000 and 6000 rpm...)

I am about to make a presentation of the engine mods on my FI 250...

[wch5274]

I wonder if we can use the new ninja 300cc block into old ninja 250cc.. just plug n play

from youtube, they got 39hp (EFI) = 185kmh while the old 250cc (EFI) around 32hp (if not mistaken).. like to remind you, for asia carb version (250) the speedometer reading read more than 10kmh compare with EFI version. This already tested many times from their ninja 250r forum... so 162kmh run at EFI = 175kmh for carb version ~ 100mph... this is 2008 ~ 2012 version

so, for 300cc getting 185kmh ~ 115mph.. and without exhaust mode (may be), thats really tempting... hope it can be done n the price also cheaper.. need to wait indonesian guy do the mode.. they have a lot of craziest modded ninja 250... & most of them really beautiful...

[micoulisninja]

Originally Posted by wch5274

I wonder if we can use the new ninja 300cc block into old ninja 250cc.. just plug n play

from youtube, they got 39hp (EFI) = 185kmh while the old 250cc (EFI) around 32hp (if not mistaken).. like to remind you, for asia carb version (250) the speedometer reading read more than 10kmh compare with EFI version. This already tested many times from their ninja 250r forum... so 162kmh run at EFI = 175kmh for carb version ~ 100mph... this is 2008 ~ 2012 version

so, for 300cc getting 185kmh ~ 115mph.. and without exhaust mode (may be), thats really tempting... hope it can be done n the price also cheaper.. need to wait indonesian guy do the mode.. they have a lot of craziest modded ninja 250... & most of them really beautiful...

Amir the block is the same (in size that is) so the only useful upgrades to take from a 300 are the throttle bodies (or bigger carbs) and the larger stroke crankshaft... bore is the same at 62mm and so rests the head, valves etc... don't know yet if the cams give a bit more lift (forget about duration, the 300 has a rev limit of 13k...)

[wch5274]

Originally Posted by micoulisninja

Amir the block is the same (in size that is) so the only useful upgrades to take from a 300 are the throttle bodies (or bigger carbs) and the larger stroke crankshaft... bore is the same at 62mm and so rests the head, valves etc... don't know yet if the cams give a bit more lift (forget about duration, the 300 has a rev limit of 13k...)

i did compare specification of ninja 250 efi version with new 300cc efi..
u're right.. the different from what i read are longer stroke & throttle bodies..
the 250 use 28 of diameter meanwhile 300 use 32mm.. not sure other item like ECU setting (should be autotune) and cams but i hope swapping this item not cost as much as using full system with pcv which still max gain only 5hp (if lucky) ..

specification as below
http://www.kawasaki.co.uk/Ninja300/Specifications

http://www.kawasaki.com.my/productpa...=126&year=2010