Akrapovic Exhaust: Titanium or Carbon

Den · September 16th, 2010, 01:07 PM

I'm confused which one would suite best my green Ninja?
Suggestions please...

wayanlam · September 16th, 2010, 07:19 PM

thats down to an individuals taste...

they both look great im sure!

i chose CF when i had a choice between SS and CF from Area P. the reason was cos i thought that the CF would be lighter maybe?

but titanium is light too i think.... so its down to taste and $$ :P

bob706 · September 16th, 2010, 07:27 PM

I would go with the carbon.

2WheelGuy · September 16th, 2010, 07:37 PM

Titanium holds up way better. Carbon shatters on the first impact.

supermanster · September 16th, 2010, 10:17 PM

For me, The Carbon looks better than Ti

but also breaks easily than Ti

Den · September 17th, 2010, 09:04 AM

That's confused me which one...
My heart says get Carbon;
My brain says get Titanium;
My budget suggests get Carbon (cheaper);
My actual budget suggests 'I have no money';
The store has Carbon in stock;
Titanium, however, is out of stock, is it more exclusive?

250rStar · September 18th, 2010, 10:27 AM

i have the carbon one and it looks sick the silver color stands out too much for me since everything else is blue paint and black metal.... no other silver on the bike the carbon looks cleaner while the ti stands out like a sore thumb

Den · September 18th, 2010, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 250rStar

while the ti stands out like a sore thumb

The silver I think does. The OEM exhaust comes in silver too. Is this why since 2010 they started painting the pipe black? Well, this can be a reason good enough to get CF...

But then I've never considered the issue that CF can shatter on an impact...

kkim · September 18th, 2010, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Den

But then I've never considered the issue that CF can shatter on an impact...

simple solution... don't crash.

GeneJunkie · September 18th, 2010, 06:41 PM

I'm assuming you are getting a slip-on... I don't think Akrapovic sells a full system for the 250? Honestly I wouldn't spend the money on a slip on, especially if you have a budget.

My bike is currently being worked on by Kerry on AreaP. He dynoed the heck out of it when he first had it out of curiosity to test the setup I had. When I brought it to him I had a Two Brothers Racing slip on, needles shimmed and airbox snorkel removed. The slip on did a whopping 0.3 hp increase compared to stock (TBR advertised 1.6 hp increase)... the other changes improved throttle control/low end. I'm sure with a FI bike the numbers will be similar. If you are looking for a performance gain it's a waste of money, if you are looking for a noise box... I guess go for it. I do kind of regret buying a slip on but at the time I didn't know any better.

Just my

Den · September 19th, 2010, 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeneJunkie

if you are looking for a noise box... I guess go for it.

That's what I'm looking for... On a few occasions I heart people laugh at the sound of my stock exhaust... that's hurt.
Also, I'm not looking to boost my performance (well, maybe just a notch). The bike already produces 33BHP as standard (with FI).

Alex · September 19th, 2010, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Den

The bike already produces 33BHP as standard (with FI).

Measured at the crank, not at the rear wheel. The FI bike makes roughly 1.2 more hp than the carb bike, which is typically measured at 24 - 25 hp at the rear wheel.

(link to the specs from both FI and carb service manuals)

GeneJunkie · September 19th, 2010, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Den

That's what I'm looking for... On a few occasions I heart people laugh at the sound of my stock exhaust... that's hurt.
Also, I'm not looking to boost my performance (well, maybe just a notch). The bike already produces 33BHP as standard (with FI).

A slip-on won't give any performance boost.

The only reason why I'm saying something is that I know Akrapovics are quite expensive and you mentioned having a tight budget... just seems like quite a lot of money for just noise. For about the same price you could get a full system from AreaP, get a noise box plus performance gain. I'm assuming the FI bike will "learn" the new system. I'm half dumb when it comes to FI bikes, I know Ryan's bike learns changes not sure if this is true to other FI bikes. http://areapnolimits.com/products/Sl...-250R-2008.php

Again only my 2 cents.

BTW I'm finding online that the titanium and CF are the same price, cheapest $416
http://www.google.com/products?q=akr...ox-a&scoring=p
I'm a total bargain hunter, usually online stores have the best deal. I don't know how to search for places in the UK, but I'm sure you could find something similar.

Den · September 19th, 2010, 11:37 AM

FI bikes have an O2 sensor in its exhaust system. Therefore FI versions require specialist exhaust systems those include an O2 sensor, and that comes at a price! So slip-ons are the ones available in the UK...
Also, with all the emissions and insurance laws means I have to choose an option that is also approved. This leaves me with a limited amount of options to go for.
APRAPOVIC
LEOVINCE
ARROW
(and some small local companies eBay UK:250R exhausts)
There are no Two Brothers or Area P available in the UK. And getting it delivered from the USA means extra tax money to be paid on Customs...

GeneJunkie · September 19th, 2010, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Den

FI bikes have an O2 sensor in its exhaust system. Therefore FI versions require specialist exhaust systems those include an O2 sensor, and that comes at a price! So slip-ons are the ones available in the UK...
Also, with all the emissions and insurance laws means I have to choose an option that is also approved. This leaves me with a limited amount of options to go for.
APRAPOVIC
LEOVINCE
ARROW
(and some small local companies eBay UK:250R exhausts)
There are no Two Brothers or Area P available in the UK. And getting it delivered from the USA means extra tax money to be paid on Customs...

Ahhhhh that makes sense, that really blows you have to go thru all of that. I thought I saw some people with FI bikes with full systems, hence the suggestion but having to deal with emissions and insurance is a whole different story. I still suggest shopping around for the best price, everything I see here has the TI and CF slip-ons listed for the same price. Good luck!

Den · September 19th, 2010, 12:12 PM

For AKRO best prices I found:
Ti: £358 ~ $559
CF: £319 ~ $498
(UK prices)
And I have shopped around... The research took ~3months...

Den · September 19th, 2010, 02:13 PM

Carbon fibre exhaust ordered

00NissanNinja · September 19th, 2010, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Den

Carbon fibre exhaust ordered

Let us know how you like it, Akra's exhausts are supposed to sound really good

GeneJunkie · September 19th, 2010, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Den

Carbon fibre exhaust ordered

Very nice, pics when you get it installed

dubojr1 · September 19th, 2010, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Den

FI bikes have an O2 sensor in its exhaust system. Therefore FI versions require specialist exhaust systems those include an O2 sensor, and that comes at a price! So slip-ons are the ones available in the UK...
Also, with all the emissions and insurance laws means I have to choose an option that is also approved. This leaves me with a limited amount of options to go for.
APRAPOVIC
LEOVINCE
ARROW
(and some small local companies eBay UK:250R exhausts)
There are no Two Brothers or Area P available in the UK. And getting it delivered from the USA means extra tax money to be paid on Customs...

Area P does in fact offer headers for FI bikes. They will add the bung for screwing in the stock o2 sensor.

Den · September 20th, 2010, 09:43 AM

Sure, I shall post the pictures when it's installed

BTW, one small thing... I didn't tell my GF i bought it. If she found out how much I paid for it... she simply does not understand, nor she will...(she'd say I could have bought a new wardrobe, etc.)
I hope she won't notice I have a new exhaust

Or should I just lie that i got it second hand very very cheap

Nemesis · September 20th, 2010, 09:45 AM

Damnnnn...I would have gone with Ti.

Carbon = no beuno.

bagel · September 20th, 2010, 10:10 AM

i bought the carbon fiber slip on for my 2010 special edition 250r from biohazardcycles.com $416 shipped it looks awesome very light, fits perfect,easy to install and with the insert (which it comes with) is very quiet (a little louder than stock)

Den · September 21st, 2010, 05:00 AM

Exhaust received

blackburn RR · September 21st, 2010, 05:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Den

That's confused me which one...

My heart says get Carbon;
My brain says get Titanium;

don't let your heart
rules your head..!!

randomwalk101 · September 21st, 2010, 06:34 AM

i have Akra Ti for about a year now...love the sounds...I've tried Yoshi and I like the Akra a lot more.. You'll like it Denis.

Den · September 21st, 2010, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randomwalk101

i have Akra Ti for about a year now...love the sounds...I've tried Yoshi and I like the Akra a lot more.. You'll like it Denis.

Do you ride with the insert or without it?

randomwalk101 · September 21st, 2010, 08:16 AM

with the insert. It's a little too loud for me without. You can feel the restriction although but with proper jetting, it helps.

Den · September 21st, 2010, 12:08 PM

Installed.

I was so inpatient to get in there I took no pictures before or during the installation. However, right after installation I went for a ride and it sounded awesome!

Here it is:

dubojr1 · September 21st, 2010, 12:12 PM

GeneJunkie · September 21st, 2010, 12:13 PM

Looks awesome!!

vnranger · September 23rd, 2010, 10:08 AM

do you have to rejet?

250rStar · September 23rd, 2010, 10:27 AM

Well that's debateable lol I didn't rejet mine and its fine noticed a gain in power and I'm sure if I did rejet it it would be faster but u don't have to rejet
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vnranger · September 23rd, 2010, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 250rStar

Well that's debateable lol I didn't rejet mine and its fine noticed a gain in power and I'm sure if I did rejet it it would be faster but u don't have to rejet
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Thanks.

Den · September 23rd, 2010, 10:38 AM

Today I rode without the baffle, an GOD IT IS LOUD!!!
I re-inserted the baffle and will only take it out on 'special occasions'

No rejetting needed as the FI adjusts automatically.
There might be a small increase in power, but not too significant to notice it.
It sounds A LOT BETTER though!

250rStar · September 23rd, 2010, 10:43 AM

Haha no problem I'm eventually going to rejet it don't get me wrong just not in a Hurry

250rStar · September 23rd, 2010, 10:46 AM

After having the hotbodies growler exhaust nothing is loud Haha naw with the insert in its very close to stock, no insert gives it some balls lol
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Den · September 23rd, 2010, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 250rStar

no insert gives it some balls lol

That makes it very special indeed, but I shall leave it for special occasions only

250rStar · September 23rd, 2010, 03:34 PM

man i bet its sick with the fi huh haha

randomwalk101 · September 23rd, 2010, 03:57 PM

here is a pic of the Ti version of it.

September 16th, 2010, 01:07 PM	#1
Den ninjette.org member Name: Denis Location: Brighton, UK Join Date: Apr 2010 Motorcycle(s): '10 250R(sold); '10 ER-6F Posts: 152	Akrapovic Exhaust: Titanium or Carbon I'm confused which one would suite best my green Ninja? Suggestions please...

September 16th, 2010, 07:19 PM	#2
wayanlam ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Wayan Location: Bali - Indonesia Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2014 Z250 Posts: A lot.	thats down to an individuals taste... they both look great im sure! i chose CF when i had a choice between SS and CF from Area P. the reason was cos i thought that the CF would be lighter maybe? but titanium is light too i think.... so its down to taste and $$ :P __________________________________________________ Kawasaki Z250, Bored up to 300cc with 12.8 CR, 41hp at wheel 27nm torque, Two bros full exhaust with DB killer Dynojet Power Commander V, KnN Open filter, intake and exhaust ported, Puig Windshield

September 16th, 2010, 07:37 PM	#4
2WheelGuy ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Craig Location: Silicon Valley, CA USA Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): '98 EX250, '02 EX250, '08 250r, '03 SV650, '98 GSXR750 '03 Hayabusa, '87 YSR50, '84 ZX900, +MORE Posts: A lot.	Titanium holds up way better. Carbon shatters on the first impact. __________________________________________________ CraigHarris.org Pacific Track Time CraigsWeb See you at 2014 MotoGP Laguna Seca! We'll be camping on Fox Hill. AFM #278

September 18th, 2010, 10:27 AM	#7
250rStar super ninja Name: TJ Location: Sacramento Join Date: Feb 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 kawasaki 250r Posts: 127	i have the carbon one and it looks sick the silver color stands out too much for me since everything else is blue paint and black metal.... no other silver on the bike the carbon looks cleaner while the ti stands out like a sore thumb __________________________________________________ 2009 Ninja 250r aftermarket parts HotBodies double bubble Swing Arm Sliders Sylvania Sliverstar Ultra Akrapovic Slip-on Shinto Clip-Ons/Grips/Bar Ends

September 21st, 2010, 12:12 PM	#30
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View Poll Results: Which Akropovic exhaust (on a green ninja)?
Titanium	10	34.48%
Carbon	19	65.52%
Voters: 29. You may not vote on this poll

September 16th, 2010, 07:27 PM	#3
bob706 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Sean Location: Mary Esther, FL Join Date: Jan 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 1998 HD Road King Posts: A lot.	I would go with the carbon.

September 16th, 2010, 10:17 PM	#5
supermanster ninjette.org member Name: Mark Location: Manila Philippines/ Lake Forest California Join Date: Nov 2009 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250R 09 Posts: 65	For me, The Carbon looks better than Ti but also breaks easily than Ti

September 17th, 2010, 09:04 AM	#6
Den ninjette.org member Name: Denis Location: Brighton, UK Join Date: Apr 2010 Motorcycle(s): '10 250R(sold); '10 ER-6F Posts: 152	That's confused me which one... My heart says get Carbon; My brain says get Titanium; My budget suggests get Carbon (cheaper); My actual budget suggests 'I have no money'; The store has Carbon in stock; Titanium, however, is out of stock, is it more exclusive?

September 18th, 2010, 06:41 PM	#10
GeneJunkie ninjette.org sage Name: Cindy Location: Wethersfield, CT Join Date: Apr 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R Posts: 691	I'm assuming you are getting a slip-on... I don't think Akrapovic sells a full system for the 250? Honestly I wouldn't spend the money on a slip on, especially if you have a budget. My bike is currently being worked on by Kerry on AreaP. He dynoed the heck out of it when he first had it out of curiosity to test the setup I had. When I brought it to him I had a Two Brothers Racing slip on, needles shimmed and airbox snorkel removed. The slip on did a whopping 0.3 hp increase compared to stock (TBR advertised 1.6 hp increase)... the other changes improved throttle control/low end. I'm sure with a FI bike the numbers will be similar. If you are looking for a performance gain it's a waste of money, if you are looking for a noise box... I guess go for it. I do kind of regret buying a slip on but at the time I didn't know any better. Just my

September 19th, 2010, 11:37 AM	#14
Den ninjette.org member Name: Denis Location: Brighton, UK Join Date: Apr 2010 Motorcycle(s): '10 250R(sold); '10 ER-6F Posts: 152	FI bikes have an O2 sensor in its exhaust system. Therefore FI versions require specialist exhaust systems those include an O2 sensor, and that comes at a price! So slip-ons are the ones available in the UK... Also, with all the emissions and insurance laws means I have to choose an option that is also approved. This leaves me with a limited amount of options to go for. APRAPOVIC LEOVINCE ARROW (and some small local companies eBay UK:250R exhausts) There are no Two Brothers or Area P available in the UK. And getting it delivered from the USA means extra tax money to be paid on Customs...

September 19th, 2010, 12:12 PM	#16
Den ninjette.org member Name: Denis Location: Brighton, UK Join Date: Apr 2010 Motorcycle(s): '10 250R(sold); '10 ER-6F Posts: 152	For AKRO best prices I found: Ti: £358 ~ $559 CF: £319 ~ $498 (UK prices) And I have shopped around... The research took ~3months...

September 19th, 2010, 02:13 PM	#17
Den ninjette.org member Name: Denis Location: Brighton, UK Join Date: Apr 2010 Motorcycle(s): '10 250R(sold); '10 ER-6F Posts: 152	Carbon fibre exhaust ordered

September 20th, 2010, 09:43 AM	#21
Den ninjette.org member Name: Denis Location: Brighton, UK Join Date: Apr 2010 Motorcycle(s): '10 250R(sold); '10 ER-6F Posts: 152	Sure, I shall post the pictures when it's installed BTW, one small thing... I didn't tell my GF i bought it. If she found out how much I paid for it... she simply does not understand, nor she will...(she'd say I could have bought a new wardrobe, etc.) I hope she won't notice I have a new exhaust Or should I just lie that i got it second hand very very cheap

September 20th, 2010, 09:45 AM	#22
Nemesis CVMA #74 WSMC #750 Name: Nemesis Location: On the track Join Date: Oct 2009 Motorcycle(s): All of them Posts: A lot.	Damnnnn...I would have gone with Ti. Carbon = no beuno.

September 20th, 2010, 10:10 AM	#23
bagel ninjette.org newbie Name: victor Location: new york Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2010 ninja 250 special edition Posts: 1	i bought the carbon fiber slip on for my 2010 special edition 250r from biohazardcycles.com $416 shipped it looks awesome very light, fits perfect,easy to install and with the insert (which it comes with) is very quiet (a little louder than stock)

September 21st, 2010, 05:00 AM	#24
Den ninjette.org member Name: Denis Location: Brighton, UK Join Date: Apr 2010 Motorcycle(s): '10 250R(sold); '10 ER-6F Posts: 152	Exhaust received

September 21st, 2010, 06:34 AM	#26
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	i have Akra Ti for about a year now...love the sounds...I've tried Yoshi and I like the Akra a lot more.. You'll like it Denis.

September 21st, 2010, 08:16 AM	#28
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	with the insert. It's a little too loud for me without. You can feel the restriction although but with proper jetting, it helps.

September 21st, 2010, 12:08 PM	#29
Den ninjette.org member Name: Denis Location: Brighton, UK Join Date: Apr 2010 Motorcycle(s): '10 250R(sold); '10 ER-6F Posts: 152	Installed. I was so inpatient to get in there I took no pictures before or during the installation. However, right after installation I went for a ride and it sounded awesome! Here it is:

September 21st, 2010, 12:13 PM	#31
GeneJunkie ninjette.org sage Name: Cindy Location: Wethersfield, CT Join Date: Apr 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250R Posts: 691	Looks awesome!!

September 23rd, 2010, 10:08 AM	#32
vnranger ninjette.org sage Name: Jonathan Location: Beaverton OR Join Date: Jul 2010 Motorcycle(s): Candy Thunder blue 2009 kawasaki 250r, 2010 Dark Stealth Ducati Monster 696. Posts: 891	do you have to rejet?

September 23rd, 2010, 10:27 AM	#33
250rStar super ninja Name: TJ Location: Sacramento Join Date: Feb 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 kawasaki 250r Posts: 127	Well that's debateable lol I didn't rejet mine and its fine noticed a gain in power and I'm sure if I did rejet it it would be faster but u don't have to rejet Posted via Mobile Device

September 23rd, 2010, 10:38 AM	#35
Den ninjette.org member Name: Denis Location: Brighton, UK Join Date: Apr 2010 Motorcycle(s): '10 250R(sold); '10 ER-6F Posts: 152	Today I rode without the baffle, an GOD IT IS LOUD!!! I re-inserted the baffle and will only take it out on 'special occasions' No rejetting needed as the FI adjusts automatically. There might be a small increase in power, but not too significant to notice it. It sounds A LOT BETTER though!

September 23rd, 2010, 10:43 AM	#36
250rStar super ninja Name: TJ Location: Sacramento Join Date: Feb 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 kawasaki 250r Posts: 127	Haha no problem I'm eventually going to rejet it don't get me wrong just not in a Hurry

September 23rd, 2010, 10:46 AM	#37
250rStar super ninja Name: TJ Location: Sacramento Join Date: Feb 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 kawasaki 250r Posts: 127	After having the hotbodies growler exhaust nothing is loud Haha naw with the insert in its very close to stock, no insert gives it some balls lol Posted via Mobile Device

September 23rd, 2010, 03:34 PM	#39
250rStar super ninja Name: TJ Location: Sacramento Join Date: Feb 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 kawasaki 250r Posts: 127	man i bet its sick with the fi huh haha __________________________________________________ 2009 Ninja 250r aftermarket parts HotBodies double bubble Swing Arm Sliders Sylvania Sliverstar Ultra Akrapovic Slip-on Shinto Clip-Ons/Grips/Bar Ends

September 23rd, 2010, 03:57 PM	#40
randomwalk101 self wrencher Name: john Location: houston Join Date: Dec 2008 Motorcycle(s): 08 250r and 07 600r Posts: A lot.	here is a pic of the Ti version of it.

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