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Old April 11th, 2015, 05:24 PM   #41
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those who like the beads- how out of balance is the tire/wheel combo with no weights, and have you ever ridden one that was unbalanced by more than a couple ounces?
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Old April 11th, 2015, 05:31 PM   #42
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I have removed lead weights, then installed them, and yes I have just to feel the difference with beads installed.

I like the easy installation, and constantly balancing the tire, install and forget for the everyday rider.

I'm not a track rider.
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Old April 11th, 2015, 08:17 PM   #43
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Yes. Dyna beads work.

But so will sand, lead shot, oil, water, mercury, dirt, really anything that is in small pieces and 2 ounces per rear tire, 1 ounce front.

The reason the rest of us use lead weights is because it weighs a lot less that 2 or 1 ounce per wheel.

Remember that discussion about unsprung weight?
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Old April 11th, 2015, 08:20 PM   #44
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Not to mention rotational mass moment of inertia...
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Old April 11th, 2015, 09:22 PM   #45
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unsprung weight is a constantly changing variable, as tires wear they get lighter.
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Old April 11th, 2015, 10:02 PM   #46
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1/2 ounce vs 2 ounce.... and you're talking about unsprung weight? when the wheel, tire, brakes, and lowers are upwards of 40lbs if not more?
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Old April 11th, 2015, 10:05 PM   #47
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dyna beads, sand, water (water is extremely stupid btw, expands at a huge rate when the tire gets hot sending your pressure through the roof) are all fine ways of balancing something moving at a consistent rate. however tires on motorcycles do not move at a consistent rate. you brake. and accelerate. what happens to those mobile weights when this happens? they move. obviously. you are creating temporary imbalances. the only way to have a balanced rotating assembly is to --> BALANCE IT <--
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I am ashamed to say, I ghetto balanced my tires. I mounted the tires on. Balanced them statically using jack stands. I removed the old weight.

I didn't have a new weight. Was too lazy and was to eager to go for a ride that I didn't want to run out to the store to grab some.

So what did I do? I reused the old weight. But it was too heavy.

I took out my nifty Dremel and started grinding the weight little by little. Within 5 mins, I had a perfectly balanced wheel.

The weight just looks like someone chewed on it =)
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Old April 12th, 2015, 07:19 AM   #49
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The beads work fine for me and my BF. We are not track riders and have no intention of becoming track riders. And if that makes a difference then maybe for those of you that do or will be doing track, this may not be for you.

Personally? I'll be using the beads from now on. I have a very good opinion of them.
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Old April 12th, 2015, 10:06 AM   #50
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dyna beads, sand, water (water is extremely stupid btw, expands at a huge rate when the tire gets hot sending your pressure through the roof) are all fine ways of balancing something moving at a consistent rate. however tires on motorcycles do not move at a consistent rate. you brake. and accelerate. what happens to those mobile weights when this happens? they move. obviously. you are creating temporary imbalances. the only way to have a balanced rotating assembly is to --> BALANCE IT <--
All true!

It's not so much the unsprung mass. It's the rotational mass moment of inertia. And, like you say, the continual going in and out of balance.

I'll stick with the static balance and stick-on weights.
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Old April 23rd, 2015, 09:56 PM   #51
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Finished up using beads in the tires on the BMW. A few things to consider before buying beads:

1. If you have a sophisticated traction control system like the BMW, do not use beads. The traction control light will be flashing the entire time, because if there is any slight change in the rear wheel, the controls come into play.
2. Do not try to put the beads in through the Valve, put the tire on the rim, throw the beads in the the tire, then seat the tire.
3. Riding felt fine, just rode to and from work max speed at 60 mph.
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I know it's a pita to go through the valve but if you put the beads in 1st you could lose them when trying to seat the tire I would think. I could be wrong as I've never done that part my self but I've seen my other half do it and it seems like they may blow out. Especially if your having a hard time or the tire is being particularly stubborn.
Maybe I'm just overly paranoid. Lol
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I know it's a pita to go through the valve but if you put the beads in 1st you could lose them when trying to seat the tire I would think. I could be wrong as I've never done that part my self but I've seen my other half do it and it seems like they may blow out. Especially if your having a hard time or the tire is being particularly stubborn.
Maybe I'm just overly paranoid. Lol
I seated my tires, then popped one side put the beads in then reseated them with no lost beads.
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Thats good, i still wouldn't personally. But thats me. Like i said, paranoid.

Did the beads not want to got through the valve? Plastic or metal valves? Just curious.
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Did the beads not want to got through the valve? Plastic or metal valves? Just curious.
TPS (Tire Pressure Sensor) systems are normally attached to the valve stem. You don't wanna be messing those up by forcing beads through there. It seems, they mess up often enough on their own without any help from anything else.
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Thats good, i still wouldn't personally. But thats me. Like i said, paranoid.

Did the beads not want to got through the valve? Plastic or metal valves? Just curious.
they would not flow in smoothly, they got backed up and it was taking too long to put the beads in. i would have to squeeze the tire with out spraying beads everywhere then rotate the tire to try to suck the beads in through the valve.
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That sounds like the issue we had. Took FOREVER to get them in. My other half thinks if we had put in metal valves instead of the plastic ones it would have helped. thats what he has on his bike and they didn't give him a problem.
Thats our best guess anyway.
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Old school lead or iron stick-on weights don't perturbate such problems.

(Yeah, yeah, all hail dyna-beads. Whatever.)
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they would not flow in smoothly, they got backed up and it was taking too long to put the beads in. i would have to squeeze the tire with out spraying beads everywhere then rotate the tire to try to suck the beads in through the valve.
Next time you install them via the valve stem, take your cordless drill and spin it up. Gently rub the tube, the vibration from the spinning chuck will prevent much of the cloggin'.

Tip: Take a trip to the mall. In many malls, in the back corner is a store called Spensers. They sell many items that are "adult" only. Maybe you can acquire something there that vibrates as well.
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i found time to do some adjustments on the rear wheel and now it is all good. must have been out of alignment, because now my TC is not flashing constantly.
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Old May 3rd, 2015, 10:01 AM   #63
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Dyna Beads

I've used the beads in quite a few bikes and they work very well. Never could get the damn things to go through the valve stem though, so I would just add them as I was mounting the tires.

They are not recommended for track use, as the tires will get hot enough that the beads will tend to stick to the inside rather than being free to roll around inside. I still use them on my street bike though.
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I got some Ride on when I got new tires for my Valkyrie last year. I wanted to do away with the ugly wheel weights. The puncture sealing feature was a positive thing too. The mfr claims longer tire life, etc. I was a little surprised at how much it weighed, the amount required is based on tire size and the Valk has big tires (150/80-17 front, 180/70-16 rear). The stuff has been working so far, the only funny thing about it is after the bike sits for a week, the stuff settles to the low point of the tire. The next time I ride it feels like I have square wheels for about a mile until it gets redistributed. I would recommend it for regular riding but for a track bike I would use weights for less unsprung weight.
I've never experienced the Ride On settling to the bottom of the tire. I do know that they recommend a specific amount be added to a certain size tire. It may be that there was too much Ride On in your tires. I've examined worn out tires that had Ride On in them, and the material would not move, even when I rubbed my finger against it.
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