June 16th, 2010, 03:08 PM | #1 |
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92 yr old woman kills woman on motorcycle
This is horrible on so many levels. I can not believe that this woman was fined only $20 for killing a woman and causing an amputation!
----------------------------------------------------------- Woman, 92, given $20 ticket in wreck that killed newlywed By PAUL WALSH, Star Tribune June 16, 2010 A $20 traffic ticket has been issued to a 92-year-old woman who drove across the center line in northeastern North Dakota and hit two of four motorcycles heading the other way, killing a newlywed riding with her husband, authorities said. "It was the charge that was fitting," said State Highway Patrol Capt. Kyle Ternes of the May 19 crash that also injured the woman's husband and required another motorcyclist to have a foot amputated. "We took our time ... and did a thorough investigation." The ticket, for driving over the center line on May 19 near Fort Totten, was hand-delivered Monday by the Highway Patrol to Faith Mitzel, of Oberon, N.D., Ternes said. The captain said there was no evidence that Mitzel was speeding or under the influence of drugs or alcohol. So, "absent negligence ... there was nothing of that nature that would make it appropriate for charges that are more serious," he said, adding that the Benson County attorney's office was involved and agreed with the decision. Mitzel, who was unhurt, was returning home by herself after a visit to Spirit Lake Casino in Devils Lake, the Highway Patrol said. Killed in the crash was Sheri Leidholt, 30, of Devils Lake, N.D. The driver of her motorcycle and her husband, James Leidholt, 37, was hospitalized and has since been discharged. They were married four days before the crash. The other motorcyclist, Jason Hunter, 33, of Devils Lake, is now recovering at St. Mary's Hospital in Rochester, Minn. According to his CaringBridge web page, Hunter has had 10 surgeries, including having a foot amputated. "The 'phantom pain' is really freaky and annoying as all hell," he wrote on the web page over the weekend. Paul Walsh • 612-673-4482
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umm....vehicular manslaughter???? note to self, stay the fook outta North Dakota
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June 16th, 2010, 03:35 PM | #3 |
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she got off cause of her age - DA figures "what's the point in prosecuting a 92 yr old?" hopefully the civil suit will give the family some measure of comp. effing lame.......
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I especially like the part about, ' "absent negligence ... there was nothing of that nature that would make it appropriate for charges that are more serious." ' The last time I checked it was illegal to drive into the other person's lane. Sounds like negligence of the woman toward her driving skills to me. It's at the very least obvious that the state was negligent to have given a 92 year old woman the ability to drive.
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June 16th, 2010, 04:10 PM | #5 |
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Let's hope the old buzzard was loaded - now she can take the bus.
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WTF!
I would still have to shoot that old woman in the head. Wouldnt bring the wife back, but it might be good therapy. |
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I would hope the least they could do is take her license and vehicle away.
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June 17th, 2010, 03:51 PM | #8 |
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I got the original article from the Mpls paper. This is from the Grand Forks paper. It has a bit more info:
Published June 15 2010 Woman, 92, receives $20 citation in crash that killed 1, injured 2 A 92-year-old woman whose car struck two motorcycles, killing a woman and seriously injuring two men in Benson County, has received a $20 citation for driving on the wrong side of the road and won’t face other charges, North Dakota Highway Patrol Capt. Kyle Ternes said Tuesday. By: Archie Ingersoll, Grand Forks Herald A 92-year-old woman whose car struck two motorcycles, killing a woman and seriously injuring two men in Benson County, has received a $20 citation for driving on the wrong side of the road and won’t face other charges, North Dakota Highway Patrol Capt. Kyle Ternes said Tuesday. “That was the violation that was committed, and that was the fitting charge,” he said. Ternes said the patrol’s investigation of the May 19 crash found with certainty that Faith Mitzel’s 2000 Oldsmobile crossed the centerline and hit the motorcycles. A news release from the patrol describes the crash as a “sideswipe meeting.” Shortly after 9:30 p.m., Mitzel was headed south on state Highway 57, two miles north of Fort Totten, N.D., and the motorcyclists were going north. According to the patrol, the Oldsmobile struck a 1980 Harley-Davidson driven by Jason Hunter, 33, then continued south and hit a 2006 Harley-Davidson, carrying driver James Leidholt, 37, and his passenger, Sheri Leidholt, 30. Hunter and the Leidholts, who were traveling together, are from Devils Lake. All four people involved in the crash were transported to Mercy Hospital in Devils Lake after the crash, and some were later taken to other hospitals. Sheri Leidholt was transferred to MeritCare Hospital in Fargo. She was pronounced dead the morning of May 20. Hunter was transferred to Trinity Hospital in Minot and later to St. Mary’s Hospital in Rochester, Minn. On Tuesday, a spokesman at St. Mary’s said Hunter was in fair condition. In an entry Hunter made Sunday on his CaringBridge site, he said his foot had been amputated. He also wrote that James Leidholt had undergone physical therapy and was out of the hospital. Tuesday, a nursing supervisor at Innovis Hospital in Fargo, where James Leidholt had been transferred, said he was discharged more than a week ago. Authorities said Mitzel, of Oberon, N.D., had no apparent injuries but was taken to Mercy Hospital. She was wearing a seat belt and her airbag deployed, according to the patrol. Ternes said the patrol and the Benson County attorney’s office decided together to cite Mitzel. A message left Tuesday for County Attorney Jim Wang went unreturned. Also cited was James Leidholt for not having a license to drive a motorcycle. Ingersoll reports on crime and courts. Reach him at (701) 780-1269; (800) 477-6572, ext. 269; or send e-mail to aingersoll@gfherald.com.
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If I was the husband I'd pay that lady a visit, it wouldn't be a real nice one, but I'd say what I think at least. I dont see a point sending a 92 years old to jail though.
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Sweet, when im faq'in "OLD", im going to just spend a day riding around running over the lil "Whiggerz" and "Thugz".
"Opps, im old and i cant drive, so you cant put me in jail or give me DEATH BY FIRING SQUAD!" Ill repeat this as many times i see fit! If you can get away with it, why not Target the "Scum and drug dealers of this world". Do a lil Clean-Up of the streets of Detroit!!!! |
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Every state has laws against driving impaired, yet the elderly seem to be immune. If I were caught driving after downing a half dozen beers I would be taken straight to jail, fined thousands of dollars, made to do community service and attend AA. I'd be willing to bet that I could drink myself over the legal limit and still be a less impaired driver than that 92 year old lady who killed the motorcyclist. Why does she get a pass?
There should be continuing driving tests for people, getting more frequent as you get older. Or at least a simple reaction test at the DMV. Red light comes on, hit the button. If you can't do that in a reasonable time, no license for you! Years ago (maybe 30 years ago) 60 minutes did a segment on the problem of elderly drivers killing people in Florida. One old person had killed multiple people in multiple accidents and was still driving. All these years later nothing has changed.
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For what it is worth, the Grand Forks paper stated in another article that the woman killed was pregnant. Not sure if that was true.
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Someone needs to take their licenses away. A 92 yr old killing a young women which was pregnant. Tragic.
Their pretty good at it where i live, you have to take medical tests and renew your license every so often(grandmother told me). If you have any conditions you get followed pretty closely(no matter what age). Despite this there are some incidents where drivers comes down the exit ramp on the highway(wrong way), that clearly should not be driving. The signs are HUGE that your going the wrong way, their still managing somehow to drive down there. Ends bad. |
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Some states will prosecute for negligent homicide, apparently that's not a crime there.
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I don't know about other states but Florida is chock full of senior drivers.(they are sent here from the rest of the country) While I don't agree on a drivers cut-off age, I do believe we need mandatory ANNUAL tests for senior drivers. Unfortunately the senior interest groups have so much power in Florida politics, they always nip that idea.
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I was under the impression that whenever somebody died somebody had to pay. Isn't that why there is a crime called "involuntary manslaughter?"
Anyway if she has the proper insurance then everyone should get their medical bills paid but they should definitely follow up for compensatory money for pain & suffering. I feel more sorry for that lady's family, as their inheritance is all but spoken for at this point. |
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At 92 she should not have even been on the road. We had a similar incident happen here in Utah just a few months ago where two elderly ladies turned left infront of a LEO with lights and siren on. THe two elderly ladies were killed.
I hope that my family prys my keys from my hands when I'm nolonger able to drive safely. I believe there should be mandatory annual driving evaluations for people over 65, in order have a license.
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Don't get me wrong, I would like to see this lady punished for what she caused. But while this was a terrible event, it was an accident. If the law allowed (and it should), they should suspend her license. I do agree that over a certain age, license should have to be renewed every year, and they should require extensive testing (vision, written test, and driving test). I'm sure the older age lobby groups would claim this is age discrimination, but there has to be a better way to ensure that old age, and all the things that come with it, have not deteriorated your driving ability below a certain point. |
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This appears to have been an accident where there was also a violation of the law.
No more than you'd punish a kid for spilling a glass of milk ( unless he was swinging a baseball bat in the kitchen...which I told you not to do 1000 times Johnny!.... does this woman warrant punishment. Revoke her license if she no longer qualifies for licensure by whatever standards the state holds. And BTW, the next time you split a lane, change lanes without signalling or grab a big handful of brake in traffic look in your mirror, you might be surprised by what you just caused. |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_negligence In the UK she'd definitely be guilty of a crime: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_by_dangerous_driving I think the police decided not to pursue the case because it was a hot-button issue whose prosecution would have strained limited local budgets, and/or felt more sorry for her than they did the dead motorcyclists. Even a reasonable person sitting back and looking on would think a $20 fine as the only criminal outcome for this is incredulous. Is that the right word? Maybe "joke" would be better. It's unlikely the woman has the financial recourses to pay any real settlement or costs. If she had basic liability on her vehicle the coverage amount is probably $50,000 or less, not enough to cover the first few days in hospital for the victims. |
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If I wandered into the other lane and caused the same type of destruction, I would still be in jail. I agree with you that riders can cause many accidents as well. But here again, if I caused another driver to die, would you expect me to get off with a $20 ticket? I am not trying to slam you. I ask that you clarify your comment. Thanks
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SB...the facts as presented in the thread were
2 people died 1 was injured as a result of another person operating a car in a way that violated a law,,, agreed? We assume that she did not cross the line intentionally...OK ? Where it's agreed that there was no intent , no disregard nor recklessness...what is there to punish ? Just the violation of the law. Hey, if that were my daughter or brother or something that was killed I'd be I'd be plenty sorry and I might feel the old "eye for an eye" feeling too. The law, sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse goes beyond that and with total inconsistency punishes what the magistrate feels is right at the time or what the lawyers can argue for or against. I think the judges used common sense. The old lady didn't do this on purpose...why punish her ? There's no mention of a history of other offenses,,,so she doesn't need jail to rehabilitate her....so what do we do ? Reconsider her licensure...for sure. Reconsider our states standards for licensure...maybe. Change our states standards...maybe. To anybody screamin' to crucify this woman I suggest ask yourself how you'd feel if your mom or grandma was driving the car ? Or your kid brother, or best friend. Look, these 2 poor people are dead and the other guys partially disabled... can anyone honestly feel better to see this woman punished for an unintented event? It was an accident. |
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Thanks Eddie,
I see your point now. I agree with you that standards need to change. I do believe that the punishment would be different for me, as a 39 yr/o than what was given to her. If she were my grandmother/friend/son, etc. I would still feel strongly that some punishment is due. In this case, I have a hard time accepting it was just an accident. My reason is that she wandered into the other lane. An accident would have been if a deer jumped out in front of her, or if her tire blew out, there was a freak downpour, etc. The fact that she wandered indicates that she either wasn't paying attention or couldn't see. These things she has control over.
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Sb....I know a lady, Cindy Griffith who suffered the loss of her mother and daughter, who I believe was 11 at the time, to a drink driver. While her loss is not unusual, talking with her, I began to understand the horrific and almost indescribable emotions she felt when hearing the news. Cindy said something like" when things hurt, you react to them, you brush away the bee that stings you, you rub the toe you stubbed or you take aspirin for the headache...but what do you do when your brain is on fire? she was taking about the moment she receieved the call that they had been killed. If you're at all interested, you can google her name and I think maybe read something about the event. My lengthy reply to this matter was less to defend the lady than it was to plant in the, very obviously, young minds of the forum that revenge or vengance is not ours to take. We have laws in place to do that. The laws are far from perfect but a lynch-mob mentality is even further. The accident is past...we can't do anything about it. But we can do something about how we react to a loss. For sure, the reactions of the friends and family of those riders were the same as Cindy's and as much as i can, I share a part of that but, hopefully, the lady driving the car....she knows what she did and breakin' rocks on the chain gang ....when you know you did something wrong...is almost a reward. It wasn't my intention to get on a soap box here but sometimes it's worth speakin' up....even when you're the only one....besides, if everybody reading this thinks I'm a moron, I'll just go hide in the DIY forum for a while
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Eddie,
That was very well said. You don't have to hide in the DIY forum. You have made very strong points. You are spot on with mob mentality. While I can not speak for everyone, my feeling on this story is that this highlights inequalities in our driving laws. It also speaks volumes to that fact that driving is not a right. There are very few accidents. Driving any vehicle should be taken more seriously. If a death results because of your poor driving skills, there should be a punishment. I am sorry to hear your story and for the loss. I had a similar experience. My father in law was killed while on his bicycle by a driver who "didn't see" him. I was the one who took the call from the hospital, so I know how she feels. There was no punishment and the woman is still driving today. The DMV won't pull her fromm the road unless she does it again.
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This 92 year old lady is a victim of elderly abuse. Her children, whom are probably in their 60's or 70's, should have taken her keys and not let her drive. They should be held responsible for not caring for their mother (just like parents are responsible for reckless children). However, if there are no children, then I would hold the government responsible for not maintaining the safety of the road by letting an unqualified driver to possess a license (and drive).
Older drivers need to be tested more rigoriously then they currently are. They should be given a driving test (on the road with an instructor) that puts them in situations, where the public can be in jepardy, to see how they handle the situations. I read about elderly plowing into other cars, stores, bus stops, and even open air markets. They are quick to place the blame on others, or medication reactions, when it is usually confusion or delirium. This has been going on for far to long and the statistics show the elderly are just as dangerous as the young new driver (per mile driven). I feel for the elderly when they lose their ability to drive thus losing their independence but I feel the danger of them killing others is more of an issue. Unfortunately, it comes down to voting. Older people vote (younger don't as much). They vote for people who protect them at the expense of others.
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I also can't help but to comment the guy who was cited for not having a licese to operate a motorcycle. While it is very unfortunate that his passenger, his wife, was killed, I can't help but wonder what his skill level was, and whether or not a more experienced licensed rider would have made a difference. I wonder this because the article does not say how far she came over the cetner line, and it also says that the acciedent was a side swipe.
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Anyway if she has the proper insurance then everyone should get their medical bills paid but they should definitely follow up for compensatory money for pain & suffering. I feel more sorry for that lady's family, as their inheritance is all but spoken for at this point.
Whatever. She was returning from a casino. If you think theres any inheritance your mistaken. She probably spent the last of her Social Security check and was on her way home.
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CC came to the point i wouild have if i didn't go out for a nice ride today.
Unfortunately, it all comes down to voting. Whether you want to hang the woman or send her $20 to pay her fine...take CC's suggestion first and last...and if the issue is not on any state ballot...make some noise, write some letters and get some others to do the same. |
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