January 20th, 2014, 10:56 AM | #41 | |
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EDIT (new picture): Ah, that picture makes sense, that cable goes under the clutch cover, and up by the rear brake reservoir. Both ends have a rubber boot of sorts, and that is plugged in. Sweet, thanks for the electrical help! Any ideas on the starter clutch gear? It's definitely supposed to connect to the bushing. Starter motor microfiche and part number 16085 definitely seem to be one piece, and not 2; as it is now. |
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January 20th, 2014, 11:01 AM | #42 |
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Your stator should plug directly into the ignitor box.
Don't confuse the stator (right side) with the generator (left side). In fact the stator (right side) may be called another name that I am not aware of but it's job is to produce electricity for the spark plugs. The generator (left side) creates electricity for the rest of the electrical system such as the lights and battery charging. |
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January 20th, 2014, 11:04 AM | #43 |
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If a starter isn't lining up with the starter gear then the bendix may not be engaging properly. The starter may not be spinning fast enough or is worn out in some other way.
This video may help. My computer doesn't have speakers but it shows you visibly how the starter motor engages the starter ring. |
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January 20th, 2014, 11:38 AM | #44 | |
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January 20th, 2014, 11:42 AM | #45 | |
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January 20th, 2014, 11:45 AM | #46 | |
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I've seen several types on bikes. Some with a bendix/sprang Some with a flat gear except for a few teeth Some with a one way bearing on the starter ring This one has the one way bearing? Not trying to confuse the OP. Sorry if I have. |
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January 20th, 2014, 11:53 AM | #47 |
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January 20th, 2014, 11:57 AM | #48 | |
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There is the fat sprocket, which the cam chain goes around. This 'fat sprocket' also holds the rollers for the the one-way clutch functionality. The large gear has a bushing that fits inside of said one-way clutch, you can see the helical groove in the example pic. The gear and bushing are no longer connected. Example pic of assembly together Starter head/gear goes into transmission, which spins a gear, which then spins the starter clutch gear (in my color-outlined picture); which lives around the secondary shaft and is supposed to engage the engine. Said starter clutch gear is hanging on the secondary shaft and doesn't connect with anything. Pretty sure the bushing inside the sprag was broken off of the starter clutch gear itself. |
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January 20th, 2014, 08:29 PM | #49 |
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The rear axle was in bad shape. The axle head was chewed to a pretty circle. Cut it off with a hacksaw. I supported the tire as best as I could, but that axle head jettisoned off once I cut through.
I'm SO glad I was right next to a wall, and not beside Ivy. Cut off the chain, it had no master link. Which means it was the stock chain, right? Joined the transmission breather and engine head breather hoses into a T with an air filter on it. I'm planning on shortening the hoses and routing it underneath the tail/seat in a protected area. But as of now, well; let's just say there were some horse jokes made. Brake lever was broken off at the end, luckily I had my stock 250 brake lever still and was able to replace with that. I ordered a pull throttle cable, because mine was massively worn in all the places and connected by 2 stands in the throttle handle. Too bad I was thinking too literally and didn't look for a "push" cable; which is what I actually needed. So, I have a spare pull throttle cable for a zx00c. Yay me. Also ordered a shift lever, the current one is broken off about 1/2 way and seems filed down to a lovely point, with a crappily centered hole in it. The radiator is hanging oddly right now, to make room for headers, but we cut the radiator cap hoses down a bunch. Still same horizontal level, just brought a lot closer in; instead of sticking out a good 6 inches in front of the forks. I've put $778 total into her, including the bike itself. I estimate I'll need around $1400 into her before she is done. Last futzed with by SabreValkyrn; January 20th, 2014 at 08:32 PM. Reason: Added pictures |
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January 22nd, 2014, 08:45 PM | #50 |
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Awaiting numerous parts to get here this week, so I thought I'd start removing the bedliner covering the tank.
I'm covering the bedliner with spray-on aircraft paint stripper, then using soldering iron with a razor blade decal stripper tool to scrape off what I can. Here's round one. That isn't rust on the front, just camera funkiness. Had to stop because my heat stripper gun thing was very worn out. |
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January 22nd, 2014, 11:23 PM | #51 |
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Wow, nice work so far. Can't wait to see how it progresses.
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January 23rd, 2014, 09:27 PM | #52 |
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I'm almost finished with the tank, unfortunately I am out of paint stripper and will be gone all weekend.
Also took the brake calipers off; the front brake pads have plenty of pad left and look in good condition. The rear caliper is different. It only has the big brake pad, which explains the horrendous screeching sound whenever we rolled her. Brake fluid is supposed to be rust-red, right? I got the shift lever in, but won't be able to replace the broken one until next week; can't move the bike due to no rear axle/wheel. Still waiting on Push throttle cable, rear axle, and oil pan gasket, and starter clutch. The starter clutch auction ends on Sunday night, and is the only one on ebay. If I lose the auction, I get to buy a new gear for $63; instead of $30 for the whole starter clutch. As a side note, paint stripper is irritable to skin. Last futzed with by SabreValkyrn; January 23rd, 2014 at 09:59 PM. Reason: typo |
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January 23rd, 2014, 09:32 PM | #53 |
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Super impressed with this undertaking. Looks like you are doing a great job and this is going to be a sweet little bike.
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January 26th, 2014, 06:50 PM | #54 |
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@SabreValkyrn I had the opportunity to work on 2 bikes the other day that had the exact same problem as your no spark issue. Incidentally I learned how that type of starter gear works too. On both of the bikes the one way bearing inside the starter gear was damaged. On one the sprang wasn't locking the pawls down and on the other the pawls were worn flat. It turns out the starter clutch can wear. One of the bikes was an '05 and the other was an '09.
Anywho... not sure if you won the auction and got the new gear but I wanted to check in and see how progress was going. |
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January 26th, 2014, 10:50 PM | #55 | |
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I've made sure my sprag is functional, there's almost no wear at all on any part of the bike, other than some denting and starter clutch gear. From everything I know and can research, I'm sure the bike has under 8k miles; just aged horribly... but aged well. It's so confusing, I think the starter clutch gear broke after a low speed fall; then a bunch of owners with less than an idea of what to do started tearing into her. Starter Clutch ETA is 29th-11th. I'm really excited to hear her purr. |
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January 27th, 2014, 06:21 AM | #56 |
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Great news everyone!
Excited to see this thing come together |
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January 27th, 2014, 12:03 PM | #57 | |
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January 27th, 2014, 02:30 PM | #58 |
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Technically, no
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January 27th, 2014, 11:16 PM | #59 |
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Done stripping the tank!
Pictures are of stripped tank, primed tank, and mound of shop towels I used to wipe off the bed liner. I need to do some dent recovery, but just leaving primed for now; also not sure what color I'm going for. Also cleaned off the old oil pan gasket, have a new one ready to take its place. And as a helpful note to future readers, paint stripper is irritable to skin. I also got the rear axle in, and it looks good. Starter clutch should be here on Thursday, which gives me a couple days to clean up my horrendous mess in my work area. I've decided on a chopped tail and conventional round headlight as the primary design. I hope to get a mock up of what I'm aiming for within a week or so. |
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January 28th, 2014, 09:37 AM | #60 |
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January 29th, 2014, 08:45 PM | #61 |
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Quick update.
Got starter clutch off ebay. Tore everything apart. Again. Replaced existing sprag springs with the less-worn ones from the ebay sprag. Replaced starter clutch. Got everything back together and buttoned up, again. Filled up coolant, again. Replaced shift lever. Just have oil pan, oil filter, oil, headers, and exhaust left. After that, I'll pray a bit. Then a bit more. Then give her a start. ...Again. Last futzed with by SabreValkyrn; January 30th, 2014 at 08:41 PM. Reason: Added shift lever picture |
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January 29th, 2014, 08:48 PM | #62 |
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Haha that's just part of it. You forget all about it once you are done and enjoying your ride
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January 29th, 2014, 11:20 PM | #63 |
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Got the oil pan bolted on, and then I realized I forgot the O-ring.
Unbolted it, again:P Fit seal, and bolted everything together. Filled up oil, hooked up headers and exhaust and... nothing. Blown fuse. And I have no spare 10A fuses left to diagnose the issue. Picking up a pack tomorrow. |
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January 30th, 2014, 08:46 AM | #64 |
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Steal one out of a car- you can't keep us waiting like that!
Seriously great work so far- major props to you for having the patience to bring her back... can't wait to hear her fire up. |
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January 30th, 2014, 08:39 PM | #65 |
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Fuse problem: had a headlight lead plugged into the aux lighting thingy.
TL;DR, got her to backfire. Need to replace sprag springs; they are too weak to fully turn the engine. Ordered sprag springs from bike bandit. Also ordered some of the staked screws behind the clutch that are very well loved because of this process. Pictures are of my portion of the garage, comes with complimentary housemate's boxspring! And how Scrappy looks now. *Goes to be a Pirate in Black Flag* Last futzed with by SabreValkyrn; January 30th, 2014 at 08:49 PM. Reason: Pictures |
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February 3rd, 2014, 02:05 PM | #66 |
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Dude, I know stripping the tank was a massive pain, but omg it looks a thousand times better even with just primer. Can't wait to see it (relatively) dent-free and shiny again.
You're so close!
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February 3rd, 2014, 03:08 PM | #67 |
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I give you much credit. I would've scrapped the bike lol
I like bikes that are messed up but misty there You are ressurecting the dead lol |
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February 4th, 2014, 02:17 PM | #68 |
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Sprag springs and oil pump screws should be here on Thursday.
Front wiring harness should be here on Monday. Also hoping to drain fluids then re-route wiring, air, and coolant hoses this weekend. "This weekend" may turn into "the night I get sprag stuff". |
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February 6th, 2014, 06:52 PM | #69 |
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Got the front wiring harness, sprag springs, and oil pump screws.
Won't be able to work on her until Saturday afternoon or Sunday. |
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February 6th, 2014, 07:44 PM | #70 |
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Looking forward to the next update. Hopefully she'll be ready for spring
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February 9th, 2014, 02:07 PM | #71 |
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UPDATE 1
UPDATE 2:
UPDATE 3:
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UPDATE 5 - Last for today:
About 6 hours of work today. The wiring looks a lot nicer now. Last futzed with by SabreValkyrn; February 9th, 2014 at 08:39 PM. Reason: Update 5 |
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February 10th, 2014, 01:11 PM | #72 |
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Got a response for my records disclosure request.
So, it changed hands to PO on 06/05/2013. Then I got it from PO on 11/06/2013. Title says 4000 or 4600 miles, which was presumably hand-copied over from the previous title of unknown date. So, that didn't tell much at all. |
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February 10th, 2014, 06:55 PM | #73 |
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Another round. To get the sprag out. Again.
UPDATE 1:
UPDATE 2: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFFFFFF. One of the oil pump screws stripped right away. The one I was worried about came out without a fuss. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FFFFFFFFFFFF. UPDATE 3: HA! **** you screw. Meet slightly-too-big flat head and Mr. Hammer UPDATE 4: Can I be done with oil stuff now? Please?
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February 10th, 2014, 09:51 PM | #74 |
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SHE'S ALIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
And sounds really nice. I'll upload a video tomorrow, it just started dumping rain. Going to order tail light, headlight, turn signals, mirrors, tires, cluster, and brake pads. Last futzed with by SabreValkyrn; February 11th, 2014 at 10:36 AM. |
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February 10th, 2014, 10:31 PM | #75 |
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Congrats Sabre! Nice work. I am impressed!
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February 10th, 2014, 10:53 PM | #76 |
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Excellent! Way to go. Nice rescue. Can't wait to see the video.
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February 10th, 2014, 10:58 PM | #77 |
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Thanks for the encouragement
Just ordered Tail light, instrument cluster, turn signals, and bar end mirrors. Guess which spring was the new one. Last futzed with by SabreValkyrn; February 11th, 2014 at 10:38 AM. |
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February 17th, 2014, 02:13 PM | #78 |
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I had troubles with the number 1 intake valve, so I wanted to check that before starting her again.
The valve adjustment screws on number 1 intake are really really loose. My hunch was right. Gorramit. They were the first ones I did, and had a heck of a time adjusting it. The left hand adjustment screw's locknut was up past the threads so I had to remove the whole screw and locknut and break the nut free. And it's that stupid <2mm square head nonsense too. So, I need to rescue the locknuts or get replacements. Or just tighten them down a ton. The rest of the intake, and exhaust, valves were still secure. |
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February 17th, 2014, 03:54 PM | #79 |
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Solved the intake valve issue by sticking the large feeler gauge in and cranking the locknuts down. Put her all back together and put together a little video for you.
The promised video of her running:
Link to original page on YouTube. Last futzed with by SabreValkyrn; February 17th, 2014 at 05:43 PM. |
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February 17th, 2014, 06:04 PM | #80 |
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Hm.
Cleaned up most of the coolant on top of the engine, the spark plug recesses seem dry. Now, the engine basically doesn't have compression. I can almost turn it manually without a socket wrench. Maybe the spark plugs loosened or something and leaking compression? She has 1/2 sight glass filled with oil when cold, so I don't think she overheated and blew rings during the time it took to film the video. Any ideas? |
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