Are You now a Felon?

N-m · May 9th, 2014, 07:34 PM

Talking with an officer tonight. Apparently in the state of TN at a minimum it is now a FELONY to swap a tag from one vehicle to another. On top of that they now have the confiscation card and can confiscate the vehicle you are driving at the time of the discovery.

While never legal tag swapping has been common on bikes in the south since the invention of tags and titles.

Things you can no longer do if you have a felony for ANY reason:

Vote
Own a firearm
Get a job
Keep a job in many cases
Leave the state in many cases

Don't even try to justify this nonsense to me. I just wanted to warn everyone. Park that bike if you don't have a clear title or it's own tag.

Snake · May 9th, 2014, 07:53 PM

Nope I've done done or even contemplated doing that

Racer x · May 10th, 2014, 04:07 AM

I live in the people republic of Maryland. That's how it is in Maryland. It is better to drive with no tag. Like if you just bought it or are going for inspection. Wrong tag and you loose the bike and go to jail.

bruce71198 · May 10th, 2014, 04:15 AM

There's a lot of strange laws down there in TN. I heard if you get divorced you can still remain brother and sister. That true?

Tigerpaw · May 10th, 2014, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bruce71198

There's a lot of strange laws down there in TN. I heard if you get divorced you can still remain brother and sister. That true?

JohnnyBravo · May 10th, 2014, 04:19 AM

Crazy laws in the south... NC even has a few guilty till proven innocent laws, and being proven innocent in these cases is near impossible

N-m · May 10th, 2014, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by bruce71198

There's a lot of strange laws down there in TN. I heard if you get divorced you can still remain brother and sister. That true?

I don't think they rescinded that law, but at least the relationship is consensual. You'll never be able to say that about the Joliet punk style relationship y'all have with those politicians though. You a politician, or a punk?

Klondike1020 · May 10th, 2014, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBravo

Crazy laws in the south... NC even has a few guilty till proven innocent laws, and being proven innocent in these cases is near impossible

I just moved here !!! please warn me about said laws!

I don't plan on being a criminal …

N-m · May 10th, 2014, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyBravo

Crazy laws in the south... NC even has a few guilty till proven innocent laws, and being proven innocent in these cases is near impossible

According to them it's often easy to get out of trouble. Just plead Nolo Contendre (no contest) and sacrifice the property to the LEO. It then gets auctioned off and turned into money.

Follow the money.

bruce71198 · May 10th, 2014, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by N-m

I don't think they rescinded that law, but at least the relationship is consensual. You'll never be able to say that about the Joliet punk style relationship y'all have with those politicians though. You a politician, or a punk?

Ya, lets not get into Il. politics that's a whole nother can of worms.

Joliets been closed a while, I wont miss that place

ForceofWill · May 10th, 2014, 06:53 AM

That's absolutely insane. Felonies should be reserved for seriously violent crime. Stripping someone of constitutional rights for having the wrong plate? Who votes for this stuff?

dfox · May 10th, 2014, 07:05 AM

well that's just stupid. I'm sure the original intent was to punish people for stealing tags and putting them on stolen cars, but at the expense of common citizens going about their lives. Seems like law makers need to take some inspiration from other states. MA has a 7 day rule... you're good to transfer plates to a used car/motorcycle for up to 7 days... A 7 day rule makes a lot of sense, and allows you to buy a new vehicle and drive it home.

"..A person who has attained 18 years of age and who transfers the ownership of a registered motor vehicle or trailer owned by him to another or who loses possession thereof and who intends to transfer the registration of such motor vehicle or trailer to a newly acquired new motor vehicle or newly acquired used motor vehicle of the same type and having the same number of wheels may, subject to other provisions of this chapter, operate such newly acquired new motor vehicle or trailer or newly acquired used motor vehicle or trailer for a period beginning from the date of transfer until five o'clock post meridian of the seventh calendar day following the date of transfer within the period for which the transferred vehicle was registered; provided, however, that the registration plates issued upon registration of the transferred motor vehicle or trailer shall be attached to the newly acquired vehicle. During such period any operator of the newly acquired vehicle shall carry an original copy of the bill of sale reciting the registration number to be transferred from the former vehicle to the newly acquired vehicle or, the certificate of transfer issued by the dealer on a form approved by the registrar in place of the certificate of registration...."

JohnnyBravo · May 10th, 2014, 07:45 AM

@Klondike1020 read the dwi laws here for starters... Your guilty from the start, even being found not guilty wont remove some of the punishments imposed.
North Carolina is bass ackwards to say the least... Welcome to 1953

ally99 · May 10th, 2014, 07:59 AM

TN cops are brutal...laws are super strict, and cops aren't very forgiving. Tread carefully.

EsrTek · May 10th, 2014, 08:07 AM

Actually found out this info from a cop the day I bought my 300, about 2 weeks ago.

I had to follow the guy to the bank to get title..from there ride it home.
I had my old tags on the bike, the ones I planned on renewing to that bike, and the registration for those plates.
Only thing that really saved me was the bill of sale, notarized on that same day 1hr before being pulled over.

Bike sat the rest of week until I got time to pay the tax/title+new plates, the Friday after I bought it.

CZroe · May 10th, 2014, 08:24 AM

Every state is different. Some states the plate is married to the vehicle and goes with it when you sell it (California) while in others it is yours (you paid for it) and it can be used on your next vehicle if you update the registration within a certain number of days and the vehicle type and wheel count are the same (GA, MA). You can't use a pickup truck tag on motorcycle though.

N-m · May 10th, 2014, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ForceofWill

That's absolutely insane. Felonies should be reserved for seriously violent crime. Stripping someone of constitutional rights for having the wrong plate? Who votes for this stuff?

That's just it. The politicians don't give us a chance to. It is simply taxation without representation.

Here's the kicker. Same officer gets hurt chasing down drug dealer. Repeat offender, large amount of coke in pocket, none of this roach nonsense, out on parole, etc. They give him only four years probation, but they keep his $13k in cash and make him pay a parole fine every month.

Revenue generation. Nothing but.

bruce71198 · May 10th, 2014, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ally99

TN cops are brutal...laws are super strict, and cops aren't very forgiving. Tread carefully.

When I "road trip", which is frequently during the race season, I typically get pulled over on the expressways. I have found the TN state boys to be some of the fairest and nicest.

Klondike1020 · May 10th, 2014, 10:35 AM

I am just going to try an be a good boy and not find any of this out first hand.

I have a truck. If I get anything that needs a plate I will move it with that

capt_bugaloo · May 10th, 2014, 01:33 PM

Maybe things work differently in the States, but going riding here without the correct plates means you're riding without insurance on your vehicle, including basic liability.

With the medical costs being what they are, riding without insurance seems like a pretty good way to go bankrupt.

alex.s · May 10th, 2014, 01:51 PM

the boogyman's gonna come get you and your precious crotch rockets

Klondike1020 · May 10th, 2014, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by capt_bugaloo

Maybe things work differently in the States, but going riding here without the correct plates means you're riding without insurance on your vehicle, including basic liability.

With the medical costs being what they are, riding without insurance seems like a pretty good way to go bankrupt.

You can be insured without tags. You call your insurance company and insure the vehicle via its vin. then bring proof of insurance to the dmv to get your tags.

Alchemist · May 10th, 2014, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Klondike1020

I am just going to try an be a good boy and not find any of this out first hand.

I have a truck. If I get anything that needs a plate I will move it with that

That's how I bought mine. I discussed it with the seller in significant detail (also my first bike, I was getting the hang of how the sale/movement/registration process would go). The takeaway was "don't plane to ride it home".

Hope this helps, welcome to NC. In spite of some of the wacky laws, I do like it better than NY.

Desmoluci · May 11th, 2014, 07:00 PM

verboten1 · May 11th, 2014, 07:21 PM

In mi you can transport with signed title and insurance.

I rode the ninja today with the virago plates. I'm a badass

jschorr · May 11th, 2014, 07:38 PM

i do this one in a wile, just to transport unlicensed things around. i have talked to a couple cops about it and they were understanding. with the random scanning of plates these days though i never keep them on and that is a real shame because now i need to rent garage space for every project i have going because cars/bikes without plates get towed. and cars with fake plates get taken.

Klondike1020 · May 11th, 2014, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by verboten1

In mi you can transport with signed title and insurance.
I rode the ninja today with the virago plates. I'm a badass

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Originally Posted by jschorr

i do this one in a wile, just to transport unlicensed things around.

Who else here imagined Verboten1 ridding around on the Skittles Ninja with novelty Plates and a matching denim vest
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BAD A55
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I used the plates off of my silver pontiac firebird to drive my silver camaro home…. one plate on each car. We passed a cop. Luckily he didn't notice the two cars one plate number lol. He probably thought his scanner just picked up the first car twice haha

The best thing to do is save the old license plates from bikes you buy and then you have plates to use on bike that won't trace back to you if you run from the cops…… I wouldn't recommend running from the cops… especially on the skittles ninja! and that my friend is why I kept my plate. that and to swap it onto my CB when it is finished or return it to cancel my insurance on that bike and get a refund

and run on

Ninjinsky · May 12th, 2014, 04:29 AM

In the UK there is no flexibility whatever. Plates and the annual disc are strictly the one vehicle. Also all vehicles not on the road, ie the junker you are using for parts or restoring, must also be re registered annually as 'off the road' with the government.
You boys are getting it easier than you think. Here we get the full Orwell

jschorr · May 12th, 2014, 05:56 AM

Were not getting it easier, were just doing Huxley instead of Orwell.

May 9th, 2014, 07:34 PM	#1
N-m Captain 2 Sexy Name: Newton Location: South TN Join Date: Apr 2014 Motorcycle(s): Kwaka EX250 Posts: 241	Are You now a Felon? Talking with an officer tonight. Apparently in the state of TN at a minimum it is now a FELONY to swap a tag from one vehicle to another. On top of that they now have the confiscation card and can confiscate the vehicle you are driving at the time of the discovery. While never legal tag swapping has been common on bikes in the south since the invention of tags and titles. Things you can no longer do if you have a felony for ANY reason: Vote Own a firearm Get a job Keep a job in many cases Leave the state in many cases Don't even try to justify this nonsense to me. I just wanted to warn everyone. Park that bike if you don't have a clear title or it's own tag.

May 10th, 2014, 04:07 AM	#3
Racer x ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Eric Location: Iowa City Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Kawmeracchi 350 2010 Project X Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 54 MOTM - Sep '18, Feb '16	I live in the people republic of Maryland. That's how it is in Maryland. It is better to drive with no tag. Like if you just bought it or are going for inspection. Wrong tag and you loose the bike and go to jail. __________________________________________________ Top speed 123.369mph. Ohio mile Worlds fastest 250 ninja

May 10th, 2014, 04:15 AM	#4
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JohnnyBravo Certifiable nontundrum Name: Harper Location: NC Milkshake stand Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 SE NINJA 300 Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '13, Sep '16	Crazy laws in the south... NC even has a few guilty till proven innocent laws, and being proven innocent in these cases is near impossible

May 10th, 2014, 06:53 AM	#11
ForceofWill Blind 250 Loving Whore Name: Tom Location: Chesapeake, VA Join Date: May 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2008 250R, 02 FZ1, '20 Fat Bob 114 Posts: A lot.	That's absolutely insane. Felonies should be reserved for seriously violent crime. Stripping someone of constitutional rights for having the wrong plate? Who votes for this stuff?

May 10th, 2014, 07:05 AM	#12
dfox ninjette.org sage Name: Fox Location: Boston Join Date: May 2012 Motorcycle(s): 08 250R Posts: 881	well that's just stupid. I'm sure the original intent was to punish people for stealing tags and putting them on stolen cars, but at the expense of common citizens going about their lives. Seems like law makers need to take some inspiration from other states. MA has a 7 day rule... you're good to transfer plates to a used car/motorcycle for up to 7 days... A 7 day rule makes a lot of sense, and allows you to buy a new vehicle and drive it home. "..A person who has attained 18 years of age and who transfers the ownership of a registered motor vehicle or trailer owned by him to another or who loses possession thereof and who intends to transfer the registration of such motor vehicle or trailer to a newly acquired new motor vehicle or newly acquired used motor vehicle of the same type and having the same number of wheels may, subject to other provisions of this chapter, operate such newly acquired new motor vehicle or trailer or newly acquired used motor vehicle or trailer for a period beginning from the date of transfer until five o'clock post meridian of the seventh calendar day following the date of transfer within the period for which the transferred vehicle was registered; provided, however, that the registration plates issued upon registration of the transferred motor vehicle or trailer shall be attached to the newly acquired vehicle. During such period any operator of the newly acquired vehicle shall carry an original copy of the bill of sale reciting the registration number to be transferred from the former vehicle to the newly acquired vehicle or, the certificate of transfer issued by the dealer on a form approved by the registrar in place of the certificate of registration...."

May 10th, 2014, 07:45 AM	#13
JohnnyBravo Certifiable nontundrum Name: Harper Location: NC Milkshake stand Join Date: Mar 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2013 SE NINJA 300 Posts: Too much. MOTM - Sep '13, Sep '16	@Klondike1020 read the dwi laws here for starters... Your guilty from the start, even being found not guilty wont remove some of the punishments imposed. North Carolina is bass ackwards to say the least... Welcome to 1953

May 10th, 2014, 08:07 AM	#15
EsrTek ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Eric Location: Murfreesboro, TN Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): '13 300 Posts: A lot.	Actually found out this info from a cop the day I bought my 300, about 2 weeks ago. I had to follow the guy to the bank to get title..from there ride it home. I had my old tags on the bike, the ones I planned on renewing to that bike, and the registration for those plates. Only thing that really saved me was the bill of sale, notarized on that same day 1hr before being pulled over. Bike sat the rest of week until I got time to pay the tax/title+new plates, the Friday after I bought it.

May 10th, 2014, 08:24 AM	#16
CZroe CPT Falcon Name: J.Emmett Turner Location: Newnan, GA Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): '08 CP Blue EX250J, '97 unpainted EX250F, 2nd '97 unpainted EX250F (no engine), '07 black EX250F Posts: A lot.	Every state is different. Some states the plate is married to the vehicle and goes with it when you sell it (California) while in others it is yours (you paid for it) and it can be used on your next vehicle if you update the registration within a certain number of days and the vehicle type and wheel count are the same (GA, MA). You can't use a pickup truck tag on motorcycle though.

May 10th, 2014, 01:33 PM	#20
capt_bugaloo motorcycle rider Name: Bruce Location: Victoria, BC Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): '14 Yamaha V-Star 650 Custom (silver) Posts: A lot.	Maybe things work differently in the States, but going riding here without the correct plates means you're riding without insurance on your vehicle, including basic liability. With the medical costs being what they are, riding without insurance seems like a pretty good way to go bankrupt. __________________________________________________ '14 Yamaha V-Star 650 Custom (silver)

May 10th, 2014, 01:51 PM	#21
alex.s wat Name: wat Location: tustin/long beach Join Date: Sep 2009 Motorcycle(s): wat Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 5 MOTM - Oct '12, Feb '14	the boogyman's gonna come get you and your precious crotch rockets __________________________________________________

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May 11th, 2014, 07:38 PM	#26
jschorr ninjette.org member Name: todd Location: pittsburgh Join Date: Apr 2014 Motorcycle(s): 1995 ninja 250r Posts: 130	i do this one in a wile, just to transport unlicensed things around. i have talked to a couple cops about it and they were understanding. with the random scanning of plates these days though i never keep them on and that is a real shame because now i need to rent garage space for every project i have going because cars/bikes without plates get towed. and cars with fake plates get taken.

May 12th, 2014, 04:29 AM	#28
Ninjinsky ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Paul Location: UK Join Date: Apr 2014 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250, Yamaha RS200 (classic) Posts: A lot.	In the UK there is no flexibility whatever. Plates and the annual disc are strictly the one vehicle. Also all vehicles not on the road, ie the junker you are using for parts or restoring, must also be re registered annually as 'off the road' with the government. You boys are getting it easier than you think. Here we get the full Orwell

May 12th, 2014, 05:56 AM	#29
jschorr ninjette.org member Name: todd Location: pittsburgh Join Date: Apr 2014 Motorcycle(s): 1995 ninja 250r Posts: 130	Were not getting it easier, were just doing Huxley instead of Orwell.