Octane, Money and You??? What do you run in your 250 and why? - Page 7

backinthesaddleagain · October 30th, 2010, 07:06 PM

^^ best answer yet

supermanzdead · October 30th, 2010, 07:07 PM

...can't argue with that, haha!!

rwheelz · March 18th, 2011, 05:54 PM

Who else is looking forward to filling up the Ninjette with 87 octane this spring? Fuel prices are a rip these days, even here in MT where we supposedly have CHEAP fuel geographically. I may have to expropriate my wife's 250 when possible, since everything else I own requires 91!

kamikaze · March 19th, 2011, 06:24 PM

87 in mine. I did run a tank of 94 thru it once at the request of the dealer as I was complaining about a hesitation around 8-10k rpm in hot weather. It ran like a can of smashed assholes, and I've never put anything other than regular in it since. didn't make the hesitation any better, in fact I think it made it worse.

bhalv · March 26th, 2011, 01:21 PM

87 octane in my 93. cause im a broke college student

bluesinorbit · March 26th, 2011, 08:13 PM

Got a brand new 11' SE in January. I've been putting 91 since day one and I've been getting slightly over 40mpg. Granted, it's all local stop-and-go traffic and I ride aggressively. I got a tank full of 87 and I'm about to fill up in a day or two. We'll see how my MPG was affected...

I certainly see no difference in performance. If anything it feels a little peppier, but I think it could easily be placebo effect.

Boom King · March 26th, 2011, 10:08 PM

Doesn't the factory specs only call for a minimum of 87 AKI? Anything higher is burning an unnecessary hole in my pocket.

Alex · March 26th, 2011, 10:10 PM

That's the aim of this mongo thread.

kkim · March 26th, 2011, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

That's the aim of this mongo thread.

I'm shocked... somebody finally gets it!!

ungluck · March 26th, 2011, 10:17 PM

kenji808 runs 87..i run 92..he has a slip on and such..i am completely stock..i out weigh him by 40lbs...but i pull on him through the entire powerband...i am a bit richer than him...but it def makes a difference in performance...then again..i ride the piss out of the poor thing, and it's 80+ everyday out here on the westside.

the ethanol is a proven mpg eater..with hawaii doin a solid 13% on the normal...my car went from 31-34mpg to 24-28mpg..

all our vehicles get 92 or higher. but that is a requirement anyway, i miss non-ethanol 93 :\

Alex · March 26th, 2011, 10:29 PM

The difference in octane isn't causing the difference in performance from yours to Kenji's bike.

The ethanol is a pain in the neck, and does cause less fuel economy, but even with the 10% blend that is mandated in Hawaii, the fuel economy hit is supposed to be closer to 5%, not 10% or higher.

If you could find non ethanol gas there and compared it to the E-10, then there would definitely be a mileage benefit, but all the sites I could find state that it's not possible to get non-ethanol fuel in HI anymore. You live there though, so your info would be more accurate and recent than the net.

kkim · March 26th, 2011, 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ungluck

kenji808 runs 87..i run 92..he has a slip on and such..i am completely stock..i out weigh him by 40lbs...but i pull on him through the entire powerband...i am a bit richer than him...but it def makes a difference in performance...then again..i ride the piss out of the poor thing, and it's 80+ everyday out here on the westside.

the ethanol is a proven mpg eater..with hawaii doin a solid 13% on the normal...my car went from 31-34mpg to 24-28mpg..

all our vehicles get 92 or higher. but that is a requirement anyway, i miss non-ethanol 93 :\

the real test would be for you to fill up with regular and see if you can still beat him or not.

a higher octane gasoline is not a performance booster on a vehicle designed to run on regular.

Xoulrath · March 26th, 2011, 11:32 PM

Everybody repeat after me: Higher octane gasoline burns slower and thus allows for more controllable combustion; therefore it allows a higher level of tune without the potential for engine damage. I am pretty sure this has been repeated elsewhere on this very forum several times. I am actually very surprised at how many people use higher octane gas in the 250. You are throwing away money that could be used to actually increase your performance, like an exhaust!

ungluck · March 26th, 2011, 11:35 PM

this thread is fun.

completely defeats a lot of things i was taught in school. i'm gonna sit this one out.

Boom King · March 27th, 2011, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ungluck

this thread is fun.

completely defeats a lot of things i was taught in school. i'm gonna sit this one out.

What were you taught in school? Anyways, knowledge evolves over time. We're not taught that the Earth is the centre of universe anymore are we?

The only way to get a real conclusive finding on this debate would be to put a bike on a dyno with a tank of 87 gas and then compare that same bike on the dyno with a tank of 91 or 93 gas.

Alex · March 27th, 2011, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xoulrath

Everybody repeat after me: Higher octane gasoline burns slower and thus allows for more controllable combustion;!

That isn't necessarily the case. It doesn't burn slower once it has been ignited. It does have more resistance to being ignited by compression.

discussion earlier in this thread

Alex · March 27th, 2011, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boom King

The only way to get a real conclusive finding on this debate would be to put a bike on a dyno with a tank of 87 gas and then compare that same bike on the dyno with a tank of 91 or 93 gas.

Unfortunately not. This has been done on a number of bike forums, and at the end of the results (which are always exactly what you'd expect), the folks coming in believing extra octane was helping them, leave with the same belief.

Xoulrath · March 27th, 2011, 08:35 AM

Indeed, Alex, that is a better description than what I posted. Thanks.

KGar · March 29th, 2011, 12:26 PM

I have been using 91 oct and consistently get 56 mpg so I'm switching to 87 oct to see if that improves as well as performance.

voidrider · March 29th, 2011, 02:04 PM

I run "regular" in my '96. Around here that is usually 87 octane. A couple of times I have pulled into some station to find they ONLY had "premium". Okay, its 86 miles to the next nearest station, I am on reserve....fine.

Each time, WORST freaking performance, acceleration, and mileage I have ever suffered, outside of a spot where my carbs needed some serious cleaning.

BTW, my wife's cousin drives fuel trucks for a distributor that supplies a LOT of the gas stations throughout a good portion of Oregon. Shell, Texaco, Chevron, little off-brand stations, nearly off of them get their gas from the same tanker trucks! They get their 500 or thousand gallons and add "their" special additive.

Ethanol is definitely a downer for performance and fuel economy, alcohol loves to absorb water, so high ethanol fuels are bad for machines that sit (like a bike that sits over the winter). Thankfully there are a few sites that list ethanol free fuels like http://www.buyrealgas.com/ or http://www.pure-gas.org/

mrlmd · March 29th, 2011, 07:40 PM

I haven't looked at this thread in quite some time and I absolutely can't believe this is still going and being discussed, with 263 posts previous to this one. Don't you guys get it? Higher octane fuel has LESS POWER in it, gives WORSE GAS MILEAGE, and is NOT what is recommended by Kawasaki for this engine, and they designed and manufactured it. It is a low compression engine and it runs on regular gas. This has all been brought to light on here and in many other forums like this. But some of you seem to know better than the experts do, better than any of the great advice you get, and you persist in believing the myth that higher octane is better, for whatever reason you can imagine. So feel free to keep wasting your money, rob your engine of it's peak performance, whatever suits you, whatever floats your boat. Instead of "birthers", we have "octaners" on here. .. I doubt I will peer at this thread again, I can't stand the dumbing down intellect that keeps popping up on here and the opinionated idiocy that keeps appearing expousing the benefits of high octane fuel in general and for the Ninja specifically.

And if your bike isn't running right, that's because it's not set up right. It needs the proper combination of air (intake/filters/airbox), carb setup (proper jets/needles/shims/mixture), and exhaust. Higher octane fuel will not fix that but may mask your symptoms 'till they return, while you maybe do some damage to your engine. If you leave it stock and use regular gas, you have very little problems except those that come from prolonged sitting unused.

I apologize in advance for coming on so strong, but it's aggravating and upsetting to keep reading these kinds of posts and those kinds of anecdotal opinions that are contrary to all facts.

Gorilla25 · June 22nd, 2011, 05:06 PM

good to know...always thought its supposed to be 91..well, when i get my bike, she'll be sippin on 87

Donnyd21 · June 22nd, 2011, 05:11 PM

87 here but 100% gas only, none of that E10 Bullshat

kkim · June 22nd, 2011, 05:14 PM

E10 works fine. That's all we have here in Hawaii and I fill up with 87 E10 each and every tank.

Though, if you have a choice, no ethanol gasoline for sure.

Jiggles · June 22nd, 2011, 05:24 PM

I love how people think 91 is so much more expensive than 87. God forbid you spend an extra $0.60 to fill your tank

I always get 91. The dealer filled my tank with 91 and said it was best for the bike. I'll try out 87 and see if theres a difference. If not then I'll go get 100 at the 76 station and see how that fairs

Boom King · June 22nd, 2011, 05:26 PM

Dealers say a lot of things. Kawasaki says 87. That is all.

kkim · June 22nd, 2011, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiggles

I love how people think 91 is so much more expensive than 87. God forbid you spend an extra $0.60 to fill your tank

I always get 91. The dealer filled my tank with 91 and said it was best for the bike. I'll try out 87 and see if theres a difference. If not then I'll go get 100 at the 76 station and see how that fairs

yeah... cause dealers always know best.

have you even bothered to read this thread and, god forbid, learn something about the bike you bought?

Gorilla25 · June 22nd, 2011, 05:42 PM

lulz...kkim goin in fo da kill

Jiggles · June 22nd, 2011, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkim

yeah... cause dealers always know best.

have you even bothered to read this thread and, god forbid, learn something about the bike you bought?

Yea I read the first page and the last page. Manual says 87, dealer says 91, and everyone on here has their own opinion. Some people have noticed a difference in performance while others haven't. I don't really see why there would be a difference in performance since octane rating only measures the gasolines reluctance to ignite prematurely which is why I will test it myself with the two extremes, 87 and 100.

I will probably end up going with 91 simply because it is less likely to prematurely ignite but if I do notice better performance with 87 then I will stick with that.

kkim · June 22nd, 2011, 06:02 PM

the only thing that octane controls is preignition (or denotation). if your bike is not pinging, you don't stand to gain any performance enhancement by using a higher octane fuel.

spend your money as you wish... but you dealer is still wrong. The bike is designed to use 87PON fuel which is the same as the the 91RON that is recommended in the sticker under the passenger seat.

http://www.btinternet.com/~madmole/R...RONMONPON.html

Gorilla25 · June 22nd, 2011, 06:08 PM

jingles..ur a noob in here just as much as i am...but DO listen to kkim...he knows A LOT along with other members as well....search his started posts...EXTREMELY good info

kkim · June 22nd, 2011, 06:17 PM

AJ... every rider has to make up their own mind. Our job here is to try and eduamacate on why things are based on facts and design.

If people read the facts and then choose not to follow them, for whatever reason, that's their choice as they've been exposed to the "truths". What they do with that info from that point forward is their business, but I won't stand by in a thread so full of good info for it to be derailed by something someone heard as the "truth" from their dealer without trying to set it straight.

There's a reason why our bikes run well on 87 and using any higher octane fuel than that is a waste of money... hence the title of this thread.

Gorilla25 · June 22nd, 2011, 06:25 PM

lol...good point

onetruevibe · June 22nd, 2011, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorilla25

jingles..ur a noob in here just as much as i am...but DO listen to kkim...he knows A LOT along with other members as well....search his started posts...EXTREMELY good info

He's also very handsome and a good kisser...or so I'm told.

Jiggles · June 22nd, 2011, 06:39 PM

Yes I know kkim is a tomb of ninjette knowledge. I was just pointing out that 91 is really not much more expensive than 87. 20 cents/gal 60 cents/tank more. I have a car that pings with 87 and not with 91. I will pay the extra money just to be sure I never have the issue in the bike.

Will this increase my bikes performance? Doubtful.
Chances are my bike won't ever have a problem with pinging but for the infinitesimal amount of additional money that 91 costs, I'll avoid the problem altogether if it were to arise.

I also read in posts on this forum that people had experiences where 87 made their bikes perform a little better. I want to see if this is the case with my bike.

Gorilla25 · June 22nd, 2011, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onetruevibe

He's also very handsome and a good kisser...or so I'm told.

lol

Alex · June 22nd, 2011, 06:44 PM

kkim · June 22nd, 2011, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

HEY!!!! Where did you get my profile pic from???

onetruevibe · June 22nd, 2011, 06:55 PM

I love this forum.

Gorilla25 · June 22nd, 2011, 06:57 PM

same here..im glad i joined

March 18th, 2011, 05:54 PM	#243
rwheelz Moroccan Gold Imports Name: RJ Location: MT Join Date: Sep 2010 Motorcycle(s): '03 ZX9R, '03 ZX7R & wife's '09 250R Posts: 136	Who else is looking forward to filling up the Ninjette with 87 octane this spring? Fuel prices are a rip these days, even here in MT where we supposedly have CHEAP fuel geographically. I may have to expropriate my wife's 250 when possible, since everything else I own requires 91! __________________________________________________ MOROCCAN GOLD IMPORTS Where Excess Meets Extreme

March 26th, 2011, 10:10 PM	#248
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	That's the aim of this mongo thread. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

March 26th, 2011, 10:17 PM	#250
ungluck sleeper Name: chris Location: Hawaii Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): '10 250r, '10 690 duke Posts: 558	kenji808 runs 87..i run 92..he has a slip on and such..i am completely stock..i out weigh him by 40lbs...but i pull on him through the entire powerband...i am a bit richer than him...but it def makes a difference in performance...then again..i ride the piss out of the poor thing, and it's 80+ everyday out here on the westside. the ethanol is a proven mpg eater..with hawaii doin a solid 13% on the normal...my car went from 31-34mpg to 24-28mpg.. all our vehicles get 92 or higher. but that is a requirement anyway, i miss non-ethanol 93 :\ Last futzed with by ungluck; March 26th, 2011 at 10:23 PM. Reason: speellinggg

March 26th, 2011, 10:29 PM	#251
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	The difference in octane isn't causing the difference in performance from yours to Kenji's bike. The ethanol is a pain in the neck, and does cause less fuel economy, but even with the 10% blend that is mandated in Hawaii, the fuel economy hit is supposed to be closer to 5%, not 10% or higher. If you could find non ethanol gas there and compared it to the E-10, then there would definitely be a mileage benefit, but all the sites I could find state that it's not possible to get non-ethanol fuel in HI anymore. You live there though, so your info would be more accurate and recent than the net. __________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

March 29th, 2011, 07:40 PM	#261
mrlmd ninjette.org sage Name: Marc Location: Crawfordville, Florida Join Date: Jan 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2005 Suzuki S50, 2006 Kawasaki Ninja EX250F, 1990 Honda PC800, 2000 Yamaha TW200 Posts: 848	I haven't looked at this thread in quite some time and I absolutely can't believe this is still going and being discussed, with 263 posts previous to this one. Don't you guys get it? Higher octane fuel has LESS POWER in it, gives WORSE GAS MILEAGE, and is NOT what is recommended by Kawasaki for this engine, and they designed and manufactured it. It is a low compression engine and it runs on regular gas. This has all been brought to light on here and in many other forums like this. But some of you seem to know better than the experts do, better than any of the great advice you get, and you persist in believing the myth that higher octane is better, for whatever reason you can imagine. So feel free to keep wasting your money, rob your engine of it's peak performance, whatever suits you, whatever floats your boat. Instead of "birthers", we have "octaners" on here. .. I doubt I will peer at this thread again, I can't stand the dumbing down intellect that keeps popping up on here and the opinionated idiocy that keeps appearing expousing the benefits of high octane fuel in general and for the Ninja specifically. And if your bike isn't running right, that's because it's not set up right. It needs the proper combination of air (intake/filters/airbox), carb setup (proper jets/needles/shims/mixture), and exhaust. Higher octane fuel will not fix that but may mask your symptoms 'till they return, while you maybe do some damage to your engine. If you leave it stock and use regular gas, you have very little problems except those that come from prolonged sitting unused. I apologize in advance for coming on so strong, but it's aggravating and upsetting to keep reading these kinds of posts and those kinds of anecdotal opinions that are contrary to all facts. Last futzed with by mrlmd; March 30th, 2011 at 11:32 AM.

October 30th, 2010, 07:06 PM	#241
backinthesaddleagain ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Greg Location: Rhode Island Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2013 ZX6R 636 Posts: A lot.	^^ best answer yet

October 30th, 2010, 07:07 PM	#242
supermanzdead ninjette.org member Name: Jason Location: Omaha, NE Join Date: Oct 2010 Motorcycle(s): Current: 2011 ZX6r Owned: 2010 EX250R "Special Edition" Posts: 71	...can't argue with that, haha!!

March 19th, 2011, 06:24 PM	#244
kamikaze ex-ninjette.org guru :o Name: Trevor Location: Barrie, Ontario Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2003 SV1000 S Posts: 475	87 in mine. I did run a tank of 94 thru it once at the request of the dealer as I was complaining about a hesitation around 8-10k rpm in hot weather. It ran like a can of smashed assholes, and I've never put anything other than regular in it since. didn't make the hesitation any better, in fact I think it made it worse.

March 26th, 2011, 01:21 PM	#245
bhalv ninjette.org member Name: brent Location: NOVA/ LYNCHBURG Join Date: Oct 2010 Motorcycle(s): 93 ninja 250 Posts: 111	87 octane in my 93. cause im a broke college student

March 26th, 2011, 08:13 PM	#246
bluesinorbit ninjette.org member Name: Joon Location: Orange County, CA Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 Ninja 250R Posts: 164	Got a brand new 11' SE in January. I've been putting 91 since day one and I've been getting slightly over 40mpg. Granted, it's all local stop-and-go traffic and I ride aggressively. I got a tank full of 87 and I'm about to fill up in a day or two. We'll see how my MPG was affected... I certainly see no difference in performance. If anything it feels a little peppier, but I think it could easily be placebo effect.

March 26th, 2011, 10:08 PM	#247
Boom King So, where's the reverse? Name: Anson Location: Ontario, Canada Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	Doesn't the factory specs only call for a minimum of 87 AKI? Anything higher is burning an unnecessary hole in my pocket.

March 26th, 2011, 11:32 PM	#253
Xoulrath ninjette.org sage Name: T Location: U.S. Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): Current: '11 ZX-6R; Previous: '09 Ninjette; '08 ZX-6R (Ex-Wife '09 TU250X) Posts: 981	Everybody repeat after me: Higher octane gasoline burns slower and thus allows for more controllable combustion; therefore it allows a higher level of tune without the potential for engine damage. I am pretty sure this has been repeated elsewhere on this very forum several times. I am actually very surprised at how many people use higher octane gas in the 250. You are throwing away money that could be used to actually increase your performance, like an exhaust!

March 26th, 2011, 11:35 PM	#254
ungluck sleeper Name: chris Location: Hawaii Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): '10 250r, '10 690 duke Posts: 558	this thread is fun. completely defeats a lot of things i was taught in school. i'm gonna sit this one out.

March 27th, 2011, 08:35 AM	#258
Xoulrath ninjette.org sage Name: T Location: U.S. Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): Current: '11 ZX-6R; Previous: '09 Ninjette; '08 ZX-6R (Ex-Wife '09 TU250X) Posts: 981	Indeed, Alex, that is a better description than what I posted. Thanks.

March 29th, 2011, 12:26 PM	#259
KGar Mid Life Crisis Name: Ken Location: Phoenix, Arizona Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250r (Passion Red); 1999 BMW K1200RS (Marrakesh Red) Posts: 81	I have been using 91 oct and consistently get 56 mpg so I'm switching to 87 oct to see if that improves as well as performance.

March 29th, 2011, 02:04 PM	#260
voidrider ninjette.org member Name: Sam Location: Klamath Falls, Oregon Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 1996 Kawasaki Ninja 250, 2000 Kawasaki Super Sherpa Posts: 79	I run "regular" in my '96. Around here that is usually 87 octane. A couple of times I have pulled into some station to find they ONLY had "premium". Okay, its 86 miles to the next nearest station, I am on reserve....fine. Each time, WORST freaking performance, acceleration, and mileage I have ever suffered, outside of a spot where my carbs needed some serious cleaning. BTW, my wife's cousin drives fuel trucks for a distributor that supplies a LOT of the gas stations throughout a good portion of Oregon. Shell, Texaco, Chevron, little off-brand stations, nearly off of them get their gas from the same tanker trucks! They get their 500 or thousand gallons and add "their" special additive. Ethanol is definitely a downer for performance and fuel economy, alcohol loves to absorb water, so high ethanol fuels are bad for machines that sit (like a bike that sits over the winter). Thankfully there are a few sites that list ethanol free fuels like http://www.buyrealgas.com/ or http://www.pure-gas.org/

June 22nd, 2011, 05:06 PM	#262
Gorilla25 Dakine... Name: AJ Location: DFW Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R (Sold) \| 636 (hopefully soon) Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 5	good to know...always thought its supposed to be 91..well, when i get my bike, she'll be sippin on 87

June 22nd, 2011, 05:11 PM	#263
Donnyd21 ninjette.org member Name: Donny Location: Oklahoma City Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2008 250R Posts: 36	87 here but 100% gas only, none of that E10 Bullshat

June 22nd, 2011, 05:14 PM	#264
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	E10 works fine. That's all we have here in Hawaii and I fill up with 87 E10 each and every tank. Though, if you have a choice, no ethanol gasoline for sure.

June 22nd, 2011, 05:24 PM	#265
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	I love how people think 91 is so much more expensive than 87. God forbid you spend an extra $0.60 to fill your tank I always get 91. The dealer filled my tank with 91 and said it was best for the bike. I'll try out 87 and see if theres a difference. If not then I'll go get 100 at the 76 station and see how that fairs

June 22nd, 2011, 05:26 PM	#266
Boom King So, where's the reverse? Name: Anson Location: Ontario, Canada Join Date: Nov 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Kawasaki Ninja 250R Posts: A lot.	Dealers say a lot of things. Kawasaki says 87. That is all.

June 22nd, 2011, 05:42 PM	#268
Gorilla25 Dakine... Name: AJ Location: DFW Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R (Sold) \| 636 (hopefully soon) Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 5	lulz...kkim goin in fo da kill

June 22nd, 2011, 06:02 PM	#270
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	the only thing that octane controls is preignition (or denotation). if your bike is not pinging, you don't stand to gain any performance enhancement by using a higher octane fuel. spend your money as you wish... but you dealer is still wrong. The bike is designed to use 87PON fuel which is the same as the the 91RON that is recommended in the sticker under the passenger seat. http://www.btinternet.com/~madmole/R...RONMONPON.html

June 22nd, 2011, 06:08 PM	#271
Gorilla25 Dakine... Name: AJ Location: DFW Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R (Sold) \| 636 (hopefully soon) Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 5	jingles..ur a noob in here just as much as i am...but DO listen to kkim...he knows A LOT along with other members as well....search his started posts...EXTREMELY good info

June 22nd, 2011, 06:17 PM	#272
kkim Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: Too much.	AJ... every rider has to make up their own mind. Our job here is to try and eduamacate on why things are based on facts and design. If people read the facts and then choose not to follow them, for whatever reason, that's their choice as they've been exposed to the "truths". What they do with that info from that point forward is their business, but I won't stand by in a thread so full of good info for it to be derailed by something someone heard as the "truth" from their dealer without trying to set it straight. There's a reason why our bikes run well on 87 and using any higher octane fuel than that is a waste of money... hence the title of this thread.

June 22nd, 2011, 06:25 PM	#273
Gorilla25 Dakine... Name: AJ Location: DFW Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R (Sold) \| 636 (hopefully soon) Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 5	lol...good point

June 22nd, 2011, 06:39 PM	#275
Jiggles Jigglin' your Jiglets Name: Sean Location: San Jose, Ca Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 K1300S, 2013 Ninja 300, 2011 Ninja 250R, Faster than Unregistered's ninjette Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 1 MOTM - Apr '13	Yes I know kkim is a tomb of ninjette knowledge. I was just pointing out that 91 is really not much more expensive than 87. 20 cents/gal 60 cents/tank more. I have a car that pings with 87 and not with 91. I will pay the extra money just to be sure I never have the issue in the bike. Will this increase my bikes performance? Doubtful. Chances are my bike won't ever have a problem with pinging but for the infinitesimal amount of additional money that 91 costs, I'll avoid the problem altogether if it were to arise. I also read in posts on this forum that people had experiences where 87 made their bikes perform a little better. I want to see if this is the case with my bike.

June 22nd, 2011, 06:44 PM	#277
Alex ninjette.org dude Name: 1 guess :-) Location: SF Bay Area Join Date: Jun 2008 Motorcycle(s): '13 Ninja 300 (white, the fastest color!), '13 R1200RT, '14 CRF250L, '12 TT-R125LE Posts: Too much. Blog Entries: 7	__________________________________________________ Montgomery Street Motorcycle Club / cal24.com / crf250l.org / ninjette.org ninjette.org Terms of Service Shopping for motorcycle parts or equipment? Come here first. The friendliest Ninja 250R/300/400 forum on the internet! (especially Unregistered)

June 22nd, 2011, 06:55 PM	#279
onetruevibe Love Rival Name: Brian Location: Western PA Join Date: Jun 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250r Posts: 449	I love this forum. __________________________________________________ “Comparison is the thief of joy.” -Dwight Edwards

June 22nd, 2011, 06:57 PM	#280
Gorilla25 Dakine... Name: AJ Location: DFW Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2009 Ninja 250R (Sold) \| 636 (hopefully soon) Posts: A lot. Blog Entries: 5	same here..im glad i joined

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take the money and run..	greatwhiteninja	Off-Topic	4	August 4th, 2011 01:49 PM
[crash.net - WSBK] - Haslam: We'll give twins run for their money	Ninjette Newsbot	Motorcycling News	0	April 8th, 2010 05:00 AM
[crash.net - WSBK] - Haslam: We'll the twins a run for their money!	Ninjette Newsbot	Motorcycling News	0	April 8th, 2010 03:30 AM