Plug and Play 4.5 rear Rim? - Page 2

bp328i · May 11th, 2011, 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob138

This about moment of inertia I believe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_of_inertia

Bob

Copied right from the link.

The moment of inertia of an object about a given axis describes how difficult it is to change its angular motion about that axis. Therefore, it encompasses not just how much mass the object has overall, but how far each bit of mass is from the axis. The farther out the object's mass is, the more rotational inertia the object has, and the more force is required to change its rotation rate. For example, consider two hoops, A and B, made of the same material and of equal mass. Hoop A is larger in diameter but thinner than B. It requires more effort to accelerate hoop A (change its angular velocity) because its mass is distributed farther from its axis of rotation: mass that is farther out from that axis must, for a given angular velocity, move more quickly than mass closer in. So in this case, hoop A has a larger moment of inertia than hoop B.

want1sobad · May 11th, 2011, 07:21 AM

.........i didn't say it would be a big difference

keep in mind, there is in fact more mass from the axis due to the larger rim width even though the wheels are the same diameter. although, it's effect on the moment of inertia is probably negligible......

happy trails

dubojr1 · May 11th, 2011, 10:07 AM

So... In short there will probably be no noticeable difference.

bp328i · May 11th, 2011, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubojr1

So... In short there will probably be no noticeable difference.

Actually there would be a very noticeable difference if we think about this for one second.

Your bike would look completely awesome from the rear with this done!

dubojr1 · May 11th, 2011, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bp328i

Actually there would be a very noticeable difference if we think about this for one second.

Your bike would look completely awesome from the rear with this done!

slolane · June 16th, 2011, 04:24 PM

Ordered THIS real wheel from Matt last weekend, can't wait for it to arrive. I'm currently running a BT016 150/60 on the stock wheel.

Once it arrives I will post some before and after pics.

greatwhiteninja · June 16th, 2011, 04:31 PM

im considering this rim myself or just modifying a zx6 rim to put on.. undecided what i wanna do. curious to see pics when you get it on.

almost40 · June 18th, 2011, 12:03 AM

Big rim is a waste of money for track riders. The rear traction isnt an issue. Slap a 150 or a 140 on the stocker and ride. If a wider rim is ok per the rules, I would think SOMEONE would be racing it if indeed it was better.

ANYONE RACING A 4.5 inch rim????? (if you can)
$700 for the wider rear tire look?? (with a new tire)
Whatever. To each his own.

rusninja · June 18th, 2011, 12:23 AM

id love like a 160/60 on the ninja x]

ztrack157 · June 20th, 2011, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by almost40

Big rim is a waste of money for track riders. The rear traction isnt an issue. Slap a 150 or a 140 on the stocker and ride. If a wider rim is ok per the rules, I would think SOMEONE would be racing it if indeed it was better.

ANYONE RACING A 4.5 inch rim????? (if you can)
$700 for the wider rear tire look?? (with a new tire)
Whatever. To each his own.

I don't run a 140 or a 150 on my race bike I run a 120 front on the rear. I don't sell it as a racing app. The rim weighs 12 pounds if anyone was curious.

almost40 · June 21st, 2011, 09:46 AM

I know you dont, I was making a point is all. Is there a 130/60??

slolane · June 21st, 2011, 12:07 PM

Yeh, I'm not interested in racing so really doesn't matter to me what may work better for that application. I'm sharing my mods as I go with pics, a comparison and review once installed to help others who may also be interested.

slolane · June 22nd, 2011, 05:45 PM

Got my wheel today.

Unwrapped...

Next to our 2011 250 with stock wheel and 130 tire...

Some mounted shots...

After a short test ride I see I was able to easily use more tire, I didn't have time to ride out to some nice twisties but it was a good test still...

warlord · June 22nd, 2011, 07:08 PM

Looking good, James! Seriously good looking upgrade. Was it really plug and play?

dubojr1 · June 22nd, 2011, 07:13 PM

Looks good James. I am curious how I ordered mine a couple weeks before you and mine has yet to arrive. Guess I need check with Matt again to find out whats going on.

Btw... What's your total investment?

slolane · June 22nd, 2011, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by warlord

Looking good, James! Seriously good looking upgrade. Was it really plug and play?

Thanks, I'm happy with the result. It was a pretty easy swap... I had to move the cush drive/sprocket, brake rotor and a dust seal and snap ring clip for the bearing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubojr1

Looks good James. I am curious how I ordered mine a couple weeks before you and mine has yet to arrive. Guess I need check with Matt again to find out whats going on.

Btw... What's your total investment?

Thank you. I'm not sure about the shipping there, mine took 11 days to be delivered. Total into the wheel setup or entire bike? For the wheel I was already running the 150 BT016 on the stock rear wheel so I just had to purchase the new wheel and swap everything over.

chitor · June 22nd, 2011, 10:14 PM

Very nice upgrade! Looks really good. I read somewhere that you need to watch out for the wheel bearing, you can change it to an original part if the bearings are damaged already.

I'll change mine also but It will be a conversion kit from ER6f mags, sprockets, etc. It will be more expensive since all parts will come from Kawasaki dealer except for the conversion kit.... I decided to do it because I have no plans of selling the bike, its a keeper!

ztrack157 · June 22nd, 2011, 10:20 PM

I Actually pay more to have these rims come installed with brand new bearings.

chitor · June 22nd, 2011, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ztrack157

I Actually pay more to have these rims come installed with brand new bearings.

Good to know that. Too bad for me since I already ordered the parts from Kawasaki before I learned that there is already plug and play rim available already in the market...

I could have saved hundreds of dollars.

rusninja · June 22nd, 2011, 11:58 PM

Its so beautiful

you think you can fit a 160/60 on :S?

slolane · June 23rd, 2011, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chitor

Very nice upgrade! Looks really good. I read somewhere that you need to watch out for the wheel bearing, you can change it to an original part if the bearings are damaged already.

I'll change mine also but It will be a conversion kit from ER6f mags, sprockets, etc. It will be more expensive since all parts will come from Kawasaki dealer except for the conversion kit.... I decided to do it because I have no plans of selling the bike, its a keeper!

Thanks, I appreciate it. I'm loving this upgrade! Please post up your wheel swap too, I would be interested to see that too. I have no plans of selling this bike either so I agree, why not make it exactly what you want for a few hundred here and there... that's way cheaper than buying another bike and this is one of the cheapest I have owned, good cheap fun.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ztrack157

I Actually pay more to have these rims come installed with brand new bearings.

Good stuff Matt. Thanks again for this and all the help in answering my many emails.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rusninja

Its so beautiful

you think you can fit a 160/60 on :S?

I know different manufactures have all sorts of sizing differences but I'm not sure a 160/60 would work. I think my Bridgestone BT016 in 150/60 is about a big as your going to get in there. Maybe Matt (ztrack157) would know the largest that would fit?

dubojr1 · June 23rd, 2011, 10:25 AM

Woohoo!!! Mine should be here next week.

BTW... I was one of the first to try this mod on here (http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=54118) and can say the 650R's wheel will have to have major machine work for it to work. I'll be selling off my 650R parts now (http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57233). I'm really looking forward to this mod.

ztrack157 · June 23rd, 2011, 10:57 AM

I think a 160 would fit. But you would have to ditch the chain guard

slolane · June 23rd, 2011, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubojr1

Woohoo!!! Mine should be here next week.

BTW... I was one of the first to try this mod on here (http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=54118) and can say the 650R's wheel will have to have major machine work for it to work. I'll be selling off my 650R parts now (http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57233). I'm really looking forward to this mod.

Sweet, glad it's coming soon.

They have to travel a long way so based on where you live it may take a different route, just guessing. No matter, when you get it the wait will be worth it.

I read that other thread, that is A LOT of work to do, this wheel from Matt is really an easy way to do it and it all bolts/lines up perfectly, no worries.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ztrack157

I think a 160 would fit. But you would have to ditch the chain guard

Ahh, yeah that could work, great point. I'm really happy with the 150 myself.

joes280 · June 23rd, 2011, 03:49 PM

can you post some full bike pics from the rear for perspective. I think I might pull the trigger, if it only took 11days to arrive.

I'm like you, the bike is cheap, the mods are relatively cheap and I enjoy the bike to much to get rid of it.

rusninja · June 23rd, 2011, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ztrack157

I think a 160 would fit. But you would have to ditch the chain guard

Anyway of modding the chain guard :S? Or will it be inaffective then?

rusninja · June 23rd, 2011, 04:04 PM

and would it be pinching like if you put a bigger tire on the stocker?

chitor · June 23rd, 2011, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubojr1

Woohoo!!! Mine should be here next week.

BTW... I was one of the first to try this mod on here (http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=54118) and can say the 650R's wheel will have to have major machine work for it to work. I'll be selling off my 650R parts now (http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57233). I'm really looking forward to this mod.

I would be getting the "Bigfoot mod" here. It will cost more, but the designer of the kit is my friend and it was too late when I learned that there's a plug and play rim already, I already ordered and payed for the ER6 parts. Good for you guys who will be getting the plug and play rim. It's cheaper and worth the $. Good decision guys.

slolane · June 23rd, 2011, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joes280

can you post some full bike pics from the rear for perspective. I think I might pull the trigger, if it only took 11days to arrive.

I'm like you, the bike is cheap, the mods are relatively cheap and I enjoy the bike to much to get rid of it.

Will do, won't be until Monday but I can do those and any other angles you want of the rear tire, profile, etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by chitor

I would be getting the "Bigfoot mod" here. It will cost more, but the designer of the kit is my friend and it was too late when I learned that there's a plug and play rim already, I already ordered and payed for the ER6 parts. Good for you guys who will be getting the plug and play rim. It's cheaper and worth the $. Good decision guys.

I'm sure yours will turn out sweet, post up some pics and details of your project please, I would love to check that out.

chitor · June 23rd, 2011, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slolane

I'm sure yours will turn out sweet, post up some pics and details of your project please, I would love to check that out.

Will post pics as soon as it is done. All parts will be completed by 1st week of July. I'll be using a Pirelli Diablo 150/60/17.

ztrack157 · June 23rd, 2011, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rusninja

Anyway of modding the chain guard :S? Or will it be inaffective then?

There is only one way to tell. But I'm not going to install a 160 or a new rim on my bike for a test fit.

rusninja · June 23rd, 2011, 11:31 PM

I know, I was just wondering if you took a bit off the chain guard over the chain would it not serve its purpose? :S Because its there so your pants dont get caught in the chain right :S?

ztrack157 · June 25th, 2011, 11:59 AM

it is more for keeping the undertail clean.

slolane · June 27th, 2011, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joes280

can you post some full bike pics from the rear for perspective. I think I might pull the trigger, if it only took 11days to arrive.

I'm like you, the bike is cheap, the mods are relatively cheap and I enjoy the bike to much to get rid of it.

Took a bunch of pics for you, I haven't ridden it since the other day but look forward to getting it out this week and weekend more.

chitor · June 27th, 2011, 05:16 PM

The rear wheel doesn't seem to be aligned?

joes280 · June 27th, 2011, 10:24 PM

thank you...that looks great

dubojr1 · June 28th, 2011, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chitor

The rear wheel doesn't seem to be aligned?

Why do you say that?

Alex · June 28th, 2011, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubojr1

Why do you say that?

I noticed the same thing. Check out the picture below. it sure looks like the wheel/tire is mounted to the left of center when compared to the tailsection of the bike.

It might be an illusion in the picture due to the bags.

slolane · June 28th, 2011, 11:49 AM

I lined up the notches (as usual) on the swingarm, after work I will take a peek at again to ensure it's good. Thanks

dubojr1 · June 28th, 2011, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex

I noticed the same thing. Check out the picture below. it sure looks like the wheel/tire is mounted to the left of center when compared to the tailsection of the bike.

It might be an illusion in the picture due to the bags.

I think it is a illusion due to the angle the picture was taken. If you look closely you can see that more of the left fairing is showing than is the right. This means the picture was not taken straight on and I believe as the bike is rotated, with the front of the bike moving to the right just enough so the right fairing is showing just as much as the left, the red line I drew in will come around to the left a bit to align it perfectly in the center of the tire. The mirrors are another good source. See how most of the left mirror is showing and little of the right one is. Hope this makes sense.

May 11th, 2011, 10:07 AM	#43
dubojr1 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jason Location: Jacksonville, Florida Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 09 Ninja 250R SE, 07 Honda CRF230F, 06 Honda CRF150F Posts: A lot.	So... In short there will probably be no noticeable difference. __________________________________________________ 09 250R SE: Paying it forward one post at a time! Don't forget to add yourself to our Member Map

June 18th, 2011, 12:03 AM	#48
almost40 ninjette.org Monkey Spank Name: Kevin Location: Illinois Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 250R Track-Bike Woodcraft clip-ons and rearsets FZ-6 track bike Posts: A lot.	Big rim is a waste of money for track riders. The rear traction isnt an issue. Slap a 150 or a 140 on the stocker and ride. If a wider rim is ok per the rules, I would think SOMEONE would be racing it if indeed it was better. ANYONE RACING A 4.5 inch rim????? (if you can) $700 for the wider rear tire look?? (with a new tire) Whatever. To each his own. __________________________________________________ Black 250R Full Area P QC Dyno Jet Kit 100 main 41T Rear Sprocket

June 18th, 2011, 12:23 AM	#49
rusninja Ninjette wanabe :D Name: Ruslan Location: San Jose Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): white 300 :D Posts: A lot.	id love like a 160/60 on the ninja x] __________________________________________________ VROOOM vrooom >.>

June 21st, 2011, 09:46 AM	#51
almost40 ninjette.org Monkey Spank Name: Kevin Location: Illinois Join Date: Apr 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 250R Track-Bike Woodcraft clip-ons and rearsets FZ-6 track bike Posts: A lot.	I know you dont, I was making a point is all. Is there a 130/60?? __________________________________________________ Black 250R Full Area P QC Dyno Jet Kit 100 main 41T Rear Sprocket

June 22nd, 2011, 07:13 PM	#55
dubojr1 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jason Location: Jacksonville, Florida Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 09 Ninja 250R SE, 07 Honda CRF230F, 06 Honda CRF150F Posts: A lot.	Looks good James. I am curious how I ordered mine a couple weeks before you and mine has yet to arrive. Guess I need check with Matt again to find out whats going on. Btw... What's your total investment? __________________________________________________ 09 250R SE: Paying it forward one post at a time! Don't forget to add yourself to our Member Map

May 11th, 2011, 07:21 AM	#42
want1sobad Ninjette CPT Name: Vince Location: jacksonville, fl Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): Black 08 250r Posts: A lot.	.........i didn't say it would be a big difference keep in mind, there is in fact more mass from the axis due to the larger rim width even though the wheels are the same diameter. although, it's effect on the moment of inertia is probably negligible...... happy trails

June 16th, 2011, 04:24 PM	#46
slolane Motorcyclist Name: James Location: Maryland Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2014 Ninja 300 ABS Posts: A lot.	Ordered THIS real wheel from Matt last weekend, can't wait for it to arrive. I'm currently running a BT016 150/60 on the stock wheel. Once it arrives I will post some before and after pics.

June 16th, 2011, 04:31 PM	#47
greatwhiteninja Ridin Dirty Name: Ed Location: Delaware Join Date: Jun 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2011 white se 250r , 2008 zx6R Posts: 921	im considering this rim myself or just modifying a zx6 rim to put on.. undecided what i wanna do. curious to see pics when you get it on.

June 21st, 2011, 12:07 PM	#52
slolane Motorcyclist Name: James Location: Maryland Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2014 Ninja 300 ABS Posts: A lot.	Yeh, I'm not interested in racing so really doesn't matter to me what may work better for that application. I'm sharing my mods as I go with pics, a comparison and review once installed to help others who may also be interested.

June 22nd, 2011, 05:45 PM	#53
slolane Motorcyclist Name: James Location: Maryland Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2014 Ninja 300 ABS Posts: A lot.	Got my wheel today. Unwrapped... Next to our 2011 250 with stock wheel and 130 tire... Some mounted shots... After a short test ride I see I was able to easily use more tire, I didn't have time to ride out to some nice twisties but it was a good test still...

June 22nd, 2011, 07:08 PM	#54
warlord ninjette.org guru Name: war Location: north chicago burbs Join Date: Jan 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2014 Ducati Panigale 899 Posts: 325	Looking good, James! Seriously good looking upgrade. Was it really plug and play?

June 22nd, 2011, 10:14 PM	#57
chitor Ninja Master Name: Chito Location: Philippines Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250r Posts: 43	Very nice upgrade! Looks really good. I read somewhere that you need to watch out for the wheel bearing, you can change it to an original part if the bearings are damaged already. I'll change mine also but It will be a conversion kit from ER6f mags, sprockets, etc. It will be more expensive since all parts will come from Kawasaki dealer except for the conversion kit.... I decided to do it because I have no plans of selling the bike, its a keeper!

June 22nd, 2011, 10:20 PM	#58
ztrack157 The Sportisi Master Name: Matt Location: Chico Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot.	I Actually pay more to have these rims come installed with brand new bearings. __________________________________________________ Sportisimoto USA is born.

June 22nd, 2011, 11:58 PM	#60
rusninja Ninjette wanabe :D Name: Ruslan Location: San Jose Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): white 300 :D Posts: A lot.	Its so beautiful you think you can fit a 160/60 on :S? __________________________________________________ VROOOM vrooom >.>

June 23rd, 2011, 10:25 AM	#62
dubojr1 ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: Jason Location: Jacksonville, Florida Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 09 Ninja 250R SE, 07 Honda CRF230F, 06 Honda CRF150F Posts: A lot.	Woohoo!!! Mine should be here next week. BTW... I was one of the first to try this mod on here (http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=54118) and can say the 650R's wheel will have to have major machine work for it to work. I'll be selling off my 650R parts now (http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57233). I'm really looking forward to this mod. __________________________________________________ 09 250R SE: Paying it forward one post at a time! Don't forget to add yourself to our Member Map

June 23rd, 2011, 10:57 AM	#63
ztrack157 The Sportisi Master Name: Matt Location: Chico Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot.	I think a 160 would fit. But you would have to ditch the chain guard __________________________________________________ Sportisimoto USA is born.

June 23rd, 2011, 03:49 PM	#65
joes280 ninjette.org member Name: joe Location: virginia Join Date: Oct 2010 Motorcycle(s): 250 Posts: 78	can u post full bike pics can you post some full bike pics from the rear for perspective. I think I might pull the trigger, if it only took 11days to arrive. I'm like you, the bike is cheap, the mods are relatively cheap and I enjoy the bike to much to get rid of it.

June 23rd, 2011, 04:04 PM	#67
rusninja Ninjette wanabe :D Name: Ruslan Location: San Jose Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): white 300 :D Posts: A lot.	and would it be pinching like if you put a bigger tire on the stocker? __________________________________________________ VROOOM vrooom >.>

June 23rd, 2011, 11:31 PM	#72
rusninja Ninjette wanabe :D Name: Ruslan Location: San Jose Join Date: Apr 2011 Motorcycle(s): white 300 :D Posts: A lot.	I know, I was just wondering if you took a bit off the chain guard over the chain would it not serve its purpose? :S Because its there so your pants dont get caught in the chain right :S? __________________________________________________ VROOOM vrooom >.>

June 25th, 2011, 11:59 AM	#73
ztrack157 The Sportisi Master Name: Matt Location: Chico Join Date: May 2009 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot.	it is more for keeping the undertail clean. __________________________________________________ Sportisimoto USA is born.

June 27th, 2011, 05:16 PM	#75
chitor Ninja Master Name: Chito Location: Philippines Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2010 Ninja 250r Posts: 43	The rear wheel doesn't seem to be aligned?

June 27th, 2011, 10:24 PM	#76
joes280 ninjette.org member Name: joe Location: virginia Join Date: Oct 2010 Motorcycle(s): 250 Posts: 78	thank you...that looks great

June 28th, 2011, 11:49 AM	#79
slolane Motorcyclist Name: James Location: Maryland Join Date: May 2010 Motorcycle(s): 2014 Ninja 300 ABS Posts: A lot.	I lined up the notches (as usual) on the swingarm, after work I will take a peek at again to ensure it's good. Thanks

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