Helping a friend with a clutch plate problem! - Page 3

KennethJay · April 23rd, 2013, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer x

It drops in and has to rotate into its normal position to catch the end of the clutch rod.

Thank you so much, we will update soon!

quarterliter · April 23rd, 2013, 03:49 PM

The exhaust would not turn red from clutch plates. Chances are the sealant clogged the oil filter and screen causing the engine to starve of oil. The extreme heat caused by oil starvation would cause the exhausts etc. to turn red.I would try to hassle this guy who ripped you off and see what will come of it

KennethJay · April 23rd, 2013, 04:13 PM

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KennethJay · April 23rd, 2013, 04:14 PM

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KennethJay · April 23rd, 2013, 04:21 PM

We are almost done, all we need to do is put the clutch cable on right. When pressing the clutch in there is no tension, can anyone help us with this? Posted pic of how we put it back on.

Also we are planning to sue him if he does not give the money back. Basic buisness law, if a minor buys an item from any one on craigslist then the minor can ask fro a full refund back or whatever he has owed on it if from a dealer. When purchasing anything you are making a "contract". I am 17.

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Any contract entered into by a minor is voidable at the minor's choice. This means that the transaction could be legal as long as the minor does not want to go back on the contract. In the law, minors are not seen as having the capacity to make contracts, however, some minors may show a maturity that allows them to do this so this is why contracts entered into by minors are voidable.

choneofakind · April 23rd, 2013, 04:23 PM

Dang. Remind me not to sell to a minor. I bought my bike at 17, but my parents were with me and signed all the forms with me to give legal consent etc etc.

KennethJay · April 23rd, 2013, 05:32 PM

Is it becuase there is no oil? I read something on other bikes about the rod that we posted a picture of earlier and how it need to be adjusted but i dont see how it needs to be adjusted since it only fits in one way... If you try turning it, it wont go in all the way. So i think that is eliminated. any one have any ideas? Would really apreciate it.

quarterliter · April 23rd, 2013, 05:53 PM

I believe there should be resistance when pulling in the clutch even without oil. But I've never abused a clutch to the point of needing to be replaced so this is just an educated guess.

DaBlue1 · April 23rd, 2013, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KennethJay

....any one have any ideas? Would really apreciate it.

You put it in wrong. See this thread http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showp...0&postcount=12

quarterliter · April 23rd, 2013, 06:06 PM

I think you may have installed it wrong too

Motofool · April 24th, 2013, 05:56 AM

What Blue said.

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showp...61&postcount=3

That shaft has not engaged the clutch plunge at the cover and it is not pulling it and forcing the clutch's springs.

skilletmo · April 24th, 2013, 07:47 AM

Wow Alex.s is post really helps! Thanks!

I will try this tomorrow.

KennethJay · April 25th, 2013, 06:00 PM

The clutch rod locked in place and seems to be in position and it can't go anymore forward and it's all the way in. Is there a special trick to putting it in?
I read the directions and it seem to be pretty basic, just put it in until it falls and locks? Help please.

KennethJay · April 25th, 2013, 06:17 PM

Here is what the rod looks like.

KennethJay · April 25th, 2013, 06:18 PM

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Motofool · April 25th, 2013, 07:40 PM

I don't understand what your confusion is, sorry

To test it:

Relocate the cover and the mechanism.
Do not add oil.
Using a crescent wrench or something as a lever, force the arm clockwise.
You should feel some degrees of angular movement acting against the force of the springs.
If you don't feel that, something is still not working properly between the mechanism and the clutch.

Goom · April 25th, 2013, 08:02 PM

I might have missed it, but have you really dug into this thing before dealing with the clutch basket/plates? I'm thinking that sealant could have pretty well cleaned house. As much as you probably don't want to, I would strip that thing completely down before I ran it again. If you get the manual (I believe you can do that right here on the forum) it will walk you through the entire thing. Be confident and organized, and you'll be disappointed by how easy it is.

Other than that, I'd suggest contacting the PO and seeing if he will work with you to make things right. Maybe he honestly didn't know that there was more of a problem. If he's an honest dude, he should work with you to make this right. If not, chalk this one up as a big time learning experience.

KennethJay · April 26th, 2013, 09:32 AM

Ill make a video when I get home and showing you the step by step on what we did to the clutch cable.
If nothing works. Ill strip everything and start all over again.

KennethJay · April 26th, 2013, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goom

I might have missed it, but have you really dug into this thing before dealing with the clutch basket/plates? I'm thinking that sealant could have pretty well cleaned house. As much as you probably don't want to, I would strip that thing completely down before I ran it again. If you get the manual (I believe you can do that right here on the forum) it will walk you through the entire thing. Be confident and organized, and you'll be disappointed by how easy it is.

Other than that, I'd suggest contacting the PO and seeing if he will work with you to make things right. Maybe he honestly didn't know that there was more of a problem. If he's an honest dude, he should work with you to make this right. If not, chalk this one up as a big time learning experience.

He said he will buy the bike back only at 800. And I paid 1750 for the bike. He says if we keep calling him he will sue us for harassment. But he just so happens to have a motor for sale at 300.. "It not my fault that I'm not a mechanic and how could I have known the bike was so messed up. Stop calling or else I will call the court. Understand?"
I'm honestly just about to take this to the shop and just have them fix it an pay the bill. Sigh.

KennethJay · April 26th, 2013, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Motofool

I don't understand what your confusion is, sorry

To test it:

Relocate the cover and the mechanism.
Do not add oil.
Using a crescent wrench or something as a lever, force the arm clockwise.
You should feel some degrees of angular movement acting against the force of the springs.
If you don't feel that, something is still not working properly between the mechanism and the clutch.

http://youtu.be/uXwd6wkysls

quarterliter · April 26th, 2013, 03:29 PM

I dont think you can sue when someone calls you about a faulty borderline fraudulent sale. Try to find another engine I guess.......

Motofool · April 27th, 2013, 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KennethJay

http://youtu.be/uXwd6wkysls

Watched the vid.

Disconnect the cable from the bottom lever and do what I explained above.

This is a lemon case, but I don't know how any lemon law applies to used bikes in your area.

Hope @Alex, @Jiggles or someone else has some legal advice to share.

The seller knew the bike was trash, IMHO.

DaBlue1 · April 27th, 2013, 06:32 AM

Just looking at the video, the lever is still not in correctly. It should be hard to push up on it (towards the cable) with your fingers. Also the clutch lever and adjusting nut is nowhere close to being correct either. Look at the attached photo to see how much further down the lever is supposed to be, compared to where yours is.

Jesse8931 · April 27th, 2013, 06:51 AM

Nothing you can do as far as the seller in texas as well as most states private party sales are as is sales. One thing you can do next time is take the bike to a shop before you buy it and pay for an inspection they usually charge 1hr labor to do that.

KennethJay · April 27th, 2013, 12:05 PM

So it seems we got rid of the sound and we fixed the clutch and everything.. Now there is another problem. Hahah. The bike seems to be stuck in neutral. Shift to first gear the bike still doesn't move. Sigh.
We decided to not sue the guy because it would cost more to actually sue and get a lawyer and all.. Instead. Just learn from this and sell it on Craigslist.
Not going to get my full 1750 back.. But at least Ill get something back.

quarterliter · April 27th, 2013, 12:50 PM

Sell it and rip someone else off..........

choneofakind · April 27th, 2013, 01:26 PM

As long as they fully disclose the issues with the bike and sell it 'as is' to a buyer who is fully aware of what they're buying for a fair price for what they're buying, it won't be a rip off to the buyer. It would be a rip-off if it's not fully disclosed.

If I was looking for a bike, I'd buy it. All it needs is a new engine and it's good to go. Buy that for 800 and an engine for 500, and it's good to go.

Jesse8931 · April 27th, 2013, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KennethJay

So it seems we got rid of the sound and we fixed the clutch and everything.. Now there is another problem. Hahah. The bike seems to be stuck in neutral. Shift to first gear the bike still doesn't move. Sigh.
We decided to not sue the guy because it would cost more to actually sue and get a lawyer and all.. Instead. Just learn from this and sell it on Craigslist.
Not going to get my full 1750 back.. But at least Ill get something back.

you would be wasting time. take it to a shop pay them to sort it out that way its done right.

Motofool · April 27th, 2013, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KennethJay

............ Now there is another problem. Hahah. The bike seems to be stuck in neutral. Shift to first gear the bike still doesn't move. Sigh............

The engine was shifting earlier,....and nothing has been touched in that department...........

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showp...8&postcount=52

Try this:

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=129338

Alex · April 28th, 2013, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Motofool

This is a lemon case, but I don't know how any lemon law applies to used bikes in your area.

Lemon law doesn't apply to used bikes in any state that I know of, and it's borderline whether it applies to motorcycles at all in many.

April 23rd, 2013, 05:32 PM	#87
KennethJay ninjette.org member Name: Kenneth Location: Richardson Join Date: Apr 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 2010 Posts: 38	Is it becuase there is no oil? I read something on other bikes about the rod that we posted a picture of earlier and how it need to be adjusted but i dont see how it needs to be adjusted since it only fits in one way... If you try turning it, it wont go in all the way. So i think that is eliminated. any one have any ideas? Would really apreciate it. __________________________________________________ "You know it's a bad day when you jump out of bed and miss the floor."

April 24th, 2013, 05:56 AM	#91
Motofool Daily Ninjette rider Name: Hernan Location: Florida Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot. MOTY - 2016, MOTM - Dec '12, Jan '14, Jan '15, May '16	What Blue said. http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showp...61&postcount=3 That shaft has not engaged the clutch plunge at the cover and it is not pulling it and forcing the clutch's springs. __________________________________________________ *Motofool* *.................................Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly* "Mankind is composed of two sorts of men — those who love and create, and those who hate and destroy. Love is the bond between men, the way to teach and the center of the world." - José Martí

April 24th, 2013, 07:47 AM	#92
skilletmo InfoWhore Name: Melashi Location: 75081 Join Date: Oct 2012 Motorcycle(s): 2008 Ninja 250 StreetFighter ~~~~ 2005 KTM 450 EXC Posts: 628	Wow Alex.s is post really helps! Thanks! I will try this tomorrow. __________________________________________________ Everyone, go buy a dirtbike hurry

April 25th, 2013, 06:00 PM	#93
KennethJay ninjette.org member Name: Kenneth Location: Richardson Join Date: Apr 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 2010 Posts: 38	The clutch rod locked in place and seems to be in position and it can't go anymore forward and it's all the way in. Is there a special trick to putting it in? I read the directions and it seem to be pretty basic, just put it in until it falls and locks? Help please. __________________________________________________ "You know it's a bad day when you jump out of bed and miss the floor."

April 25th, 2013, 07:40 PM	#96
Motofool Daily Ninjette rider Name: Hernan Location: Florida Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2007 Ninja 250 Posts: A lot. MOTY - 2016, MOTM - Dec '12, Jan '14, Jan '15, May '16	I don't understand what your confusion is, sorry To test it: Relocate the cover and the mechanism. Do not add oil. Using a crescent wrench or something as a lever, force the arm clockwise. You should feel some degrees of angular movement acting against the force of the springs. If you don't feel that, something is still not working properly between the mechanism and the clutch. __________________________________________________ *Motofool* *.................................Never ride faster than your guardian angel can fly* "Mankind is composed of two sorts of men — those who love and create, and those who hate and destroy. Love is the bond between men, the way to teach and the center of the world." - José Martí

April 23rd, 2013, 03:49 PM	#82
quarterliter ninjette.org guru Name: Kevin Location: Madison Join Date: Apr 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2004 Ninja 250 Posts: 465	The exhaust would not turn red from clutch plates. Chances are the sealant clogged the oil filter and screen causing the engine to starve of oil. The extreme heat caused by oil starvation would cause the exhausts etc. to turn red.I would try to hassle this guy who ripped you off and see what will come of it

April 23rd, 2013, 04:23 PM	#86
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	Dang. Remind me not to sell to a minor. I bought my bike at 17, but my parents were with me and signed all the forms with me to give legal consent etc etc.

April 23rd, 2013, 05:53 PM	#88
quarterliter ninjette.org guru Name: Kevin Location: Madison Join Date: Apr 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2004 Ninja 250 Posts: 465	I believe there should be resistance when pulling in the clutch even without oil. But I've never abused a clutch to the point of needing to be replaced so this is just an educated guess.

April 23rd, 2013, 06:06 PM	#90
quarterliter ninjette.org guru Name: Kevin Location: Madison Join Date: Apr 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2004 Ninja 250 Posts: 465	I think you may have installed it wrong too

April 25th, 2013, 08:02 PM	#97
Goom ninjette.org guru Name: Eric Location: Concord, NC Join Date: Apr 2012 Motorcycle(s): 1976 CB550 Cafe, 2011 Ninja 250, 1999 Honda CR125 Posts: 264	I might have missed it, but have you really dug into this thing before dealing with the clutch basket/plates? I'm thinking that sealant could have pretty well cleaned house. As much as you probably don't want to, I would strip that thing completely down before I ran it again. If you get the manual (I believe you can do that right here on the forum) it will walk you through the entire thing. Be confident and organized, and you'll be disappointed by how easy it is. Other than that, I'd suggest contacting the PO and seeing if he will work with you to make things right. Maybe he honestly didn't know that there was more of a problem. If he's an honest dude, he should work with you to make this right. If not, chalk this one up as a big time learning experience.
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April 26th, 2013, 09:32 AM	#98
KennethJay ninjette.org member Name: Kenneth Location: Richardson Join Date: Apr 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 2010 Posts: 38	Ill make a video when I get home and showing you the step by step on what we did to the clutch cable. If nothing works. Ill strip everything and start all over again. __________________________________________________ "You know it's a bad day when you jump out of bed and miss the floor."

April 26th, 2013, 03:29 PM	#101
quarterliter ninjette.org guru Name: Kevin Location: Madison Join Date: Apr 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2004 Ninja 250 Posts: 465	I dont think you can sue when someone calls you about a faulty borderline fraudulent sale. Try to find another engine I guess.......

April 27th, 2013, 06:51 AM	#104
Jesse8931 ninjette.org guru Name: Jesse Location: Ann arbor mi Join Date: Mar 2011 Motorcycle(s): 2007 ninja 250r Posts: 374	Nothing you can do as far as the seller in texas as well as most states private party sales are as is sales. One thing you can do next time is take the bike to a shop before you buy it and pay for an inspection they usually charge 1hr labor to do that.

April 27th, 2013, 12:05 PM	#105
KennethJay ninjette.org member Name: Kenneth Location: Richardson Join Date: Apr 2013 Motorcycle(s): Ninja 250 2010 Posts: 38	So it seems we got rid of the sound and we fixed the clutch and everything.. Now there is another problem. Hahah. The bike seems to be stuck in neutral. Shift to first gear the bike still doesn't move. Sigh. We decided to not sue the guy because it would cost more to actually sue and get a lawyer and all.. Instead. Just learn from this and sell it on Craigslist. Not going to get my full 1750 back.. But at least Ill get something back. __________________________________________________ "You know it's a bad day when you jump out of bed and miss the floor."

April 27th, 2013, 12:50 PM	#106
quarterliter ninjette.org guru Name: Kevin Location: Madison Join Date: Apr 2013 Motorcycle(s): 2004 Ninja 250 Posts: 465	Sell it and rip someone else off..........

April 27th, 2013, 01:26 PM	#107
choneofakind ninjette.org certified postwhore Name: . Location: . Join Date: Feb 2011 Motorcycle(s): . Posts: Too much. MOTM - Feb '13, Feb '14	As long as they fully disclose the issues with the bike and sell it 'as is' to a buyer who is fully aware of what they're buying for a fair price for what they're buying, it won't be a rip off to the buyer. It would be a rip-off if it's not fully disclosed. If I was looking for a bike, I'd buy it. All it needs is a new engine and it's good to go. Buy that for 800 and an engine for 500, and it's good to go.
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