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Old August 11th, 2019, 11:13 PM   #1
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Someone offered me 2k for my 05 Ninja 250

I have a dilemma. To see or not sell. I love my 250, I invested time and energy, I can honestly say I am attached to it. I wanted to get some advice from you guys as I feel some of you are just as attached to your 250.

Let me get this out of the way first, I have more fun with my 250 than I do with my 650. The SPorts Demon tires are fantastic and I rode it all over Tijuana Mexico and I could lean that sucker all the way. The fun factor is there. I bought 2 new mufflers that I have not installed along with a jetting kit and a air pod. I am not trying to make it faster, simply more responsive.

With that out the way, 2k for a 05 Ninja 250 is GREAT, border line over priced but well worth it given that the bike only has 5.8k miles on it and is in great shape physically.

I am playing with the idea, of using the 2k and getting a modern Yamaha R3. I sat on the R3, and while its no Ninja 250 level comfort/feel, it was similar. Is it possible to have the same "fun" factor on a R3 as my 250? Or am I simply better off keeping the 250 and continue modding the crap out of it?

Here's a pic of Zule (Pronounced Su-Leh)

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Old August 28th, 2019, 07:01 PM   #2
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Take money.
Buy something else comparable or even another 250R
Still have cash left over.
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Old August 28th, 2019, 10:03 PM   #3
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Yeah, sell it and buy TWO more Ninja 250s!! Perhaps one pre-gen and one new-gen!
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Old August 29th, 2019, 05:44 AM   #4
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I bought 2 new mufflers that I have not installed along with a jetting kit and a air pod. I am not trying to make it faster, simply more responsive.
Be warned these changes can open a can of worms that you may not want to open. My '07 is very responsive at all throttle positions with a completely stock intake and exhaust system.

Is yours hesitating, or does it have flat spots at some throttle settings to make you want to improve throttle response? If so, my first guess would be that the carburetors need a proper cleaning.

I can't tell you what to do as far as selling it. If someone offered me $2000 for mine I don't think I'd take it, because it would take me more than $2000 in purchase price and my time to get another motorcycle in the condition mine is in, set up the way I like it.

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Old August 30th, 2019, 11:50 AM   #5
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I wish someone would offer me 2k for my old girl.
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Old August 30th, 2019, 03:42 PM   #6
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I'd sell it in a second for $2k.

Then go find another lonely one that doesn't run for $250-$500 and fix it up like all the others.

They normally go for $1,500 around here.
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Old September 9th, 2019, 11:05 PM   #7
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It would only be worth to sell if you need the money. The bike looks clean enough to keep and I'm assuming that it runs well. There was a time when I almost sold my 250 a few years ago then I got smart right away and decided to keep it.
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Old September 10th, 2019, 11:52 AM   #8
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If it brings you joy, keep it.
If you'd rather have something else, sell it.
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Old September 10th, 2019, 12:41 PM   #9
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The thing I love about my ninja is that i'm not afraid to mess around with the decals and aesthetics of the bike, i probably wouldn't be able to do that with a new nice fancy bike.
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Old September 10th, 2019, 02:49 PM   #10
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Old September 10th, 2019, 03:40 PM   #11
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I've been meaning to do a following up on this thread.
I actually turned down the person who came at me with this offer and the 2 people after that lol.
Then this young girl in the military asked me if she could see it, and she did and loved it. She said she had to go away for 2 weeks. She came back, 2k on hand, and i sold. Not sure what made me sell it but i can definitely say i regretted it badly. I did not need the money. I felt so ******. More than anything, it was an emotional attachment to my ex as i had bought that bike for her. I had also invested a lot of time, money and energy to get it to work perfectly.

I used that money and bought a ninja 300, 2014, for 2200 bucks. It only had 4k, super clean. Definitely a fun bike. I plan on decat'ling it, adding a gxsr suspension, and maybe doing a ecu flash.
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Old September 10th, 2019, 03:44 PM   #12
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I actually turned down the person who came at me with this offer and the 2 people after that lol.
Then this young girl in the military asked me if she could see it, and she did and loved it.
Did you list the bike as being for sale? Your initial post gave me the impression that someone just offered to buy it out of the blue.
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Old September 10th, 2019, 04:18 PM   #13
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Welcome to fuel injection. Major upgrade for almost no cost.

I wouldn't de-cat it though. Rather just leave it as is until you can get proper headers with a PCV if that's what you want.
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Old September 11th, 2019, 11:05 AM   #14
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Did you list the bike as being for sale? Your initial post gave me the impression that someone just offered to buy it out of the blue.
My apologies for the confusion, i had an ad up for almost 10 months and i had forgotten about it. Out of the blue i had a few people hit me up throughout this time. All offered less then 2k. 3 people offered me 2k, i turned 2 down and on the 3rd, a girl in the military, who saw it and loved it but didnt buy it because she had to leave for military training for 2 weeks. She came back 2 weeks later, really enthusiastic about buying it and i felt bad if i said no, so i sold it


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Welcome to fuel injection. Major upgrade for almost no cost.

I wouldn't de-cat it though. Rather just leave it as is until you can get proper headers with a PCV if that's what you want.
Thank you. Did you upgrade the suspension to a gxsr one? And what do you mean about getting the propper headers with a pcv? Can you explain?

I was going to do the same thing i did with the sv650 to my 300, cut out the cat, solder on a new pipe.
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Old September 11th, 2019, 11:18 AM   #15
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Here is a pic of the bike. Hopefully i did it right snd you guys can see it.
This thing gets insane mpg.

I know its a 300 but i wanted to see how much power i can get oit of this little guy. If i decat it and do an ecu flash, what kind of performance gains can i expect to get? I already installed a K&N air filter.

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Old September 11th, 2019, 12:12 PM   #16
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Here is a pic of the bike. Hopefully i did it right snd you guys can see it.

This thing gets insane mpg.

I know its a 300 but i wanted to see how much power i can get oit of this little guy. If i decat it and do an ecu flash, what kind of performance gains can i expect to get? I already installed a K&N air filter.
That may change once you do all the mods.
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Old September 11th, 2019, 02:06 PM   #17
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That may change once you do all the mods.

Assuming all mods are done to it, what can i expect?

I am going to focus on tires and suspension before i do anything crazy. I need to add some sports demon tires to it.
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Old September 11th, 2019, 03:50 PM   #18
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With optimized fuel & ignition maps, you can get additional +14% more power over stock. Someone got lazy and implemented same too-rich high-end fuel-curve like with 250. Sacrificed lot of power, but good hedge against bad-gas or super-hot days.


Try Dunlop Q3+, much better performance with modern radial construction. Multi-compound construction gives long-life along with amazing cornering grip.

No need to change suspension unless you’re racing or weigh over tonne.
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Old September 11th, 2019, 05:17 PM   #19
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My apologies for the confusion, i had an ad up for almost 10 months and i had forgotten about it. Out of the blue i had a few people hit me up throughout this time.
Got it, thanks. I'm still confused, but not because of this thread any more.
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And what do you mean about getting the propper headers with a pcv? Can you explain?
You don't get the gains you think you're going to get by cutting the cat chamber open, removing the cat, and welding it back together. (if that's what you were planning) Not on this bike, or any bike that has a cat relatively close to the front of the bike.

But... if you were going remove the cat chamber completely and add a proper 2 into one collector with good welds and a new mid pipe, that could help.

There's just something about leaving a cat chamber there without a cat in it that slows down exhaust velocity too close to the engine and creates a tuning problem. I've seen enough dyno curves after people have tried to know that it doesn't work well.
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Old September 11th, 2019, 06:28 PM   #21
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Yeah, the sudden changes in diameter and steps introduced when removing cat is actually worse for flow.
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You don't get the gains you think you're going to get by cutting the cat chamber open, removing the cat, and welding it back together. (if that's what you were planning) Not on this bike, or any bike that has a cat relatively close to the front of the bike.

But... if you were going remove the cat chamber completely and add a proper 2 into one collector with good welds and a new mid pipe, that could help.

There's just something about leaving a cat chamber there without a cat in it that slows down exhaust velocity too close to the engine and creates a tuning problem. I've seen enough dyno curves after people have tried to know that it doesn't work well.
That's exactly what I was thinking of doing. Cutting the CAT out of it and weld on a pipe. I know a few people that can do this cheaply down in Mexico (down the street from me). It worked great for my SFV650, was that an exception? I got a nice hefty boost on it and loved it and thought maybe I could get the same on my 300. Can you describe what happens when the cat is removed? And even with tuning, it won't fix the performance issue? Is there a solution or would you just recommend not cutting it? I need to do moore research D:

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Yeah, the sudden changes in diameter and steps introduced when removing cat is actually worse for flow.
I am surprised, I would think with removing the cat, it would increase the flow. It worked great on my SFV650. Why wouldn't it work here?

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Got it, thanks. I'm still confused, but not because of this thread any more.
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It depends on the CAT. If it's in a larger chamber and you remove it you will get a loss of velocity, and reduced flow, due to the large volume.

If you are looking for performance, a high quality full system is a better way to go. As with most mods, your HP gains will come at a cost. Usually that means you will make gains at the top and give up some at the bottom. Header diameter of a performance pipe is usually larger to get increased flow at high RPMs, which usually hampers low and mid-range power. That's why your MPG will drop.
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