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Old April 12th, 2010, 02:17 PM   #1
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Woodcraft clip-ons V.S. Kitaco clip-ons

I am looking into buying some clip-ons for my 2009 250r. I still have some time to decide but I am jumping between woodcraft and kitaco. Any suggestions?

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Old April 12th, 2010, 02:35 PM   #2
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Old April 12th, 2010, 03:07 PM   #3
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I've been wanting clip ons for some time as well and I can't decide myself. My buddy has ordered and installed the Woodcrafts, so I will be checking those out in person soon.

But from what I've read the big difference between the two.. is that the woodcraft attach below the triple clamp and the Kitaco connect above.

I THINK (don't hold me to it) that the woodcrafts are all that adjustable. When your steeling bar is at max turn, there isn't any extra room around the front fairings.

I also think the Kitaco's have more degree's of adjustment and also because they sit above the triple clamp they are little higher.

As it stands now... without seeing the woodcrafts in person. I'm leaning towards getting the Kitacos.. but that might all change once I check out my buddies bike.
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Sorry if i did not specify enough and if i posted in the wrong forum.

Kelly - I have read through the Woodcraft DIY and from what I have read, Woodcraft's clipons are of high quality. However, they are more expensive then Kitaco's. I am not sure how Kitaco's quality is, but from the looks of it, they seem to be well-made. I am wondering if I should pay the extra cash for the Woodcraft's. Also, since kitaco mounts their clipons above the triple clamp, I would fear that after time, the two (only two) allen screws that allow the Kitaco handlebars to grip the fork could possibly loosen enough during a ride and potentially cause disaster if not noticed immediately.

Also, does anyone know the difference in ergonomics between the two sets of clipons?
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Old April 12th, 2010, 03:39 PM   #5
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The ergos are very similar. The adjustability on the kitacos is more than the wood crafts. Wood crafts are a good product and I have nothing against them. As for the bolts coming loose on the Kitacos I haven't had a problem yet from customers. I give you red loctite for a reason.
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Old April 12th, 2010, 03:46 PM   #6
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Thanks for the info. I think I am leaning more towards the Kitacos as of now. Much cheaper than woodcraft. and I can see why. woodcraft uses more pieces to makeup the risers.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the Woodcraft clip-ons leave the bike's steering geometry as-is, while the K's force you to alter it by dropping the triple down some.

This of course means extra steps in installation, but that's not a big deal.

How much of a change is there to the handling?
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The handle is crisper. I have guys using them on the track with no complaints. The install is a little more time consuming than the Wc's. I'm sure Lee will chime in any time.
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Why would the Kitaco install be more time consuming? The Kitaco's seem like fewer steps need to be taken.

Also, my plan is to lower the front end a little bit. So I think the Kitaco's would suit me perfectly
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you have to loosen 4 extra bolts and measure.
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each to their own, but imo....

switchin to clip-ons, you "NEED" to lower the front a lil bit!

with the woodcraft (i have it!) there very lil room for brake housing and line to clear the speedometer cluster when making a complete left turn, so lowering it will help clearing up that issue. the brake and clutch lever almost hit the windscreen when turning left and right at their max.

as for kitaco...i dont know so im not gonna say anything.

i just like the idea that the woodcraft clip-ons go below the triple clamp while the forks beam stickin up giving it more of an aggressive look lookin at the handle bars.
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that was jux my opinion, im jus chiming in on my part.
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A LITTLE bit?

It looks like you've dropped it at least two or three inches!

It must be twitchy as all get out. Is there ANY trail left?
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haha, i meant to say drop it a lil bit so that it will clear the brake and clutch lever (for stock if you are not lowering the rear), but i did lowered my front 1.25 inches to compensate for lowering the rear 1 inch....in another word..i lowered the front 1/4 inch! hehe hope that clear things up
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isn't it the WC leans you more forward than the K's?
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Old April 13th, 2010, 06:36 PM   #15
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I raised my forks with the woodcraft clips to 8mm above he triple. I dig it.
No clearance issues.. My fingers fit between the fairing and handlebars at full lock no problem. No cables hit anything.

Seems you could put the kitaco below the triple too, right?

Both brands have that sportbike built in downsweep to them.

When you put WC clips on you will have less handlebar backsweep possible over stock by a few degrees. Not sure about the kitaco

Either can mount on top.
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Old April 14th, 2010, 05:53 AM   #16
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I don't think you can mount the Kitaco below the triple without either
a. custom bodywork
b. going naked

Speaking of custom bodywork.... I've seen a few pics of 250r race bikes where the owners just cut out more space to mount clipons below the triple. Anyone know of some custom bodywork that is designed for clipons?
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Old April 14th, 2010, 02:41 PM   #17
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I don't think you can mount the Kitaco below the triple without either
a. custom bodywork
b. going naked

Speaking of custom bodywork.... I've seen a few pics of 250r race bikes where the owners just cut out more space to mount clipons below the triple. Anyone know of some custom bodywork that is designed for clipons?
Mind to post the pics?
I'm curious what it would look like.
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Old April 15th, 2010, 01:43 AM   #18
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Bad.

It's not something that you'd want to do to a street bike. Imagine removing that black "dash" material, then cutting down into the side fairings 2"...
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raising or lowering the forks will not change the relationship between the speedo cluster and controls... that is dictated by the triple clamp which you cant move up/down

lowering the front end as much as some I see will lead to crashes... yeah it will fall into the turn quicker but your mid-turn feel and stability will be greatly affected (in a negative way)

I cant imagine any racer who knows what he's doing dropping the front 2-3 INCHES to get those to fit (without equally massive rear end changes). We make changes in the mm's, not inches. 1" = 25.4mm!
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Dwayne Kitaco's don't require a 2 inch drop. It's about a 10mm. 2-3 inches would be unwise as you said with the rear left alone. On a race bike it would be nuts you would have zero clearance. Are you gonna be ready for Barber?
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I know I want some clip-ons soon, and I'm thinking if ztrack adds a red loctite I may try the kitaco bars.
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Side note do the rear sets you have ztrack come in gp shift or just standard?

I like the look of the kitacos myself too and a good bit cheaper then woodcrafts.
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Side note do the rear sets you have ztrack come in gp shift or just standard?

I like the look of the kitacos myself too and a good bit cheaper then woodcrafts.
ok newb question, whats the difference between the gp shift and standard?
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1up and 5 down as opposed to 1 down and 5 up. Most rearsets will allow you to GP or standard shift on the 250s.
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What is the min. inserted length of the fork tube? In the picture is not even flush with the top of the clamp. What is the overall height?
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I raised my forks by 1 inch or so with my vortex clipons and enjoy the shorter rake, makes it turn in quicker. Some guys don't like the clipons that clamp above the triple tree because they say they can't feel the front tire as well, but its all personal preference both are good products.



The cables rub a little on the fairings at lock to lock but you can adjust them all day long as far as angle and length goes. My bike won't be street worthy for much longer though so it's not of much concern to me as opposed to the guys riding on the street. Kitaco's may work a little better as far as clearance compared to the vortex.
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Hey I'm looking to buy some Kitaco clip ons and I can't seem to get a reply. I emailed the website and tried pming ztrack and no reply. How do I go about buying some
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Hey I'm looking to buy some Kitaco clip ons and I can't seem to get a reply. I emailed the website and tried pming ztrack and no reply. How do I go about buying some
He was out of them and had a shipment delayed in customs, never heard back, couldn't wait so I ended up ordering woodcrafts.
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O that sucks I like the look of the clipons on top of the fork and I don't know about the vortex ones. I guess I'll look into the woodcrafts too. Thanks for letting me know
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O that sucks I like the look of the clipons on top of the fork and I don't know about the vortex ones. I guess I'll look into the woodcrafts too. Thanks for letting me know
if you haven't bought the woodcraft yet,why don't you join the group buy for clip-ons from matt
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O I didn't know there was a group buy. It's ok though I just paid for some and hope to get it soon!
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woodcraft clip-ons

Here are a few pics with woodcraft clip-ons, also preload adjusters. These are very well made and fairly easy to install. They sit lower and farther forward than stock. Feels alot more "sportbike like" and not as scooterlike. While riding you have more weight over the front wheel, better feedback. Lock to lock their is clearance but not much.. i might lower the front 1/4 so i can angle them more rearward. I think clip-ons look better mounted BELOW the triple clamp(as most sportbikes are).. just my opinion.
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Here are a few pics with woodcraft clip-ons, also preload adjusters. These are very well made and fairly easy to install. They sit lower and farther forward than stock. Feels alot more "sportbike like" and not as scooterlike. While riding you have more weight over the front wheel, better feedback. Lock to lock their is clearance but not much.. i might lower the front 1/4 so i can angle them more rearward. I think clip-ons look better mounted BELOW the triple clamp(as most sportbikes are).. just my opinion.
the woodcrafts look great! i am looking to do this mod next. want a more aggressive riding position with more weight over the front of the bike. so how much do i need to lower the front?? do i need to lower the rear too? and (yes im a noob to this) what are "preload adjusters"?
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the woodcrafts look great! i am looking to do this mod next. want a more aggressive riding position with more weight over the front of the bike. so how much do i need to lower the front?? do i need to lower the rear too? and (yes im a noob to this) what are "preload adjusters"?
Thanks, I bought the woodcraft clip-ons from ebay. If you do buy off ebay, make sure they are made specifically for the ninja 250. First off, you don't need to touch the suspension at all, they are made for this bike. They attach below the triple clamp and have 2 inch risers for the clip-on so when you turn the wheel the bars don't hit any fenders or fuel tank. I would leave the suspension alone if you're new to riding. I also put on sato racing rear sets that move the footpegs/controls towards the rear and further from the ground.. highly recommend. With the clip-ons and rear sets... like riding a different bike. Front pre-load adjuster is similar to the rear shock pre-load adjuster. The stock rear setting from the factory is on the softest setting, their are 5 different settings, i put it in the middle(3) to stiffen the rear and it feels better.. i weigh about 170lbs. The front preload adjusters($100) work the same way, you can adjust the tension on the spring, again i stiffened it a little as stock is kinda mushy
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cool. thanks for the info Lee. guess i'll have to add a rearset mod to the list. might have to wait a bit for that one tho.

so i could just do the clip ons without having to lower the front end of the bike?
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cool. thanks for the info Lee. guess i'll have to add a rearset mod to the list. might have to wait a bit for that one tho.

so i could just do the clip ons without having to lower the front end of the bike?
no lowering required, i didn't lower mine
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what are "preload adjusters"?
Basically they stiffen the suspension by adding preload to your shock absorbing system. If you look at the rear shock when you add preload you are effectively squeezing the spring together. Since the force of a spring is proportional to its displacement you are increasing the rate at which the spring will rebound due to a bump since the spring will add more force since it is compressed more. The preload adjusters on the forks he has effectively do the same thing.
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