Vapor Trail Tech Question/Help

[skilletmo]

Ok so i have done alot of research on mechanical speedos and before i pull the trigger that @Motofool helped me with ( I love him so very such btw) i wanted to research some trail tech vapors i found on ebay new 95$. The mechanical speedo with the tach is 85$. So as you can see i will be willing to spend the few bucks to get a better one with more features. But before i get into that i wanted to see which one i would need and how it stands against the mechanical speedo i chose. I tried contacting @smokinsingle, but i dont think he got the message

So the question is: Did you get the Vapor Kit: 75-600 (sv-650) or the Vapor Kit: 75-300 (KX/KXF/KLX 125/250/450/500 04-13)

This ninja wiki says i should buy the 75-300 but im reading many threads saying that you should get the sv650 (75-600) one? Please explain! Thanks

[skilletmo]

HERRP

[Motofool]

Undeserved kind words, Skilletmo, thanks !

These things use a magnet and sensor attached to the front wheel for measuring speed and traveled miles.

This article explains how to calibrate them:

http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/Install...er#Calibrating

I don't know, but I would choose the one suitable for the SV650.

The reason is that the front tire of that bike is 120/60-17", while the tire of the YZ125 and KLX250S are 80/100-21".

The adjustable range of the second one may be off your 17" wheel setting, but I don't know for sure.

[mike_k]

I use a Vapor on my track '08 250, so I never hooked the speed sensor up. I probably would have if there was a simple and easy way to mount it, but I didn't see any...

It looks like the only significant difference between the 75-600 and 75-300 is the magnet kit. Not sure which one would work better... Hopefully someone else here knows.

For getting the tachometer to work, you'll need the cable with the series resistor in it. See this thread:

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=75999

I think you can just unscrew the brass coolant temp sensor from the little hose coupler from either the 75-600 or 75-300, and replace the existing temp sensor in the thermostat housing on the new-gen 250. That's what I did with mine, and it works well.

[Chicagobob]

I've got a Vapor on my "06, and I have the non-curved wheel sensor, which you can bolt to the brake caliper bracket, where it will pick up nicely from a magnet mounted to the brake disk. I don't think the curved, fork-slider mount will get the sensor close enough on this bike to the disk for a good speed pickup.

You do need the resistor tach wire for the Ninja 250.

I, too, replaced the stock temp sensor with Trail Tech's unit - same thread size - and it seems to provide an accurate temp reading.

Best things about this unit are ease of mounting, simplicity, functions, and incredible lightness, compared to almost everything else.

Good luck with your project. Here's mine:

[psych0hans]

Originally Posted by Chicagobob

I've got a Vapor on my "06, and I have the non-curved wheel sensor, which you can bolt to the brake caliper bracket, where it will pick up nicely from a magnet mounted to the brake disk. I don't think the curved, fork-slider mount will get the sensor close enough on this bike to the disk for a good speed pickup.

You do need the resistor tach wire for the Ninja 250.

I, too, replaced the stock temp sensor with Trail Tech's unit - same thread size - and it seems to provide an accurate temp reading.

Best things about this unit are ease of mounting, simplicity, functions, and incredible lightness, compared to almost everything else.

Good luck with your project. Here's mine:

That's a sweet looking gauge... Quiet reasonably priced too, compared to koso...

[skilletmo]

Originally Posted by Chicagobob

I've got a Vapor on my "06, and I have the non-curved wheel sensor, which you can bolt to the brake caliper bracket, where it will pick up nicely from a magnet mounted to the brake disk. I don't think the curved, fork-slider mount will get the sensor close enough on this bike to the disk for a good speed pickup.

You do need the resistor tach wire for the Ninja 250.

I, too, replaced the stock temp sensor with Trail Tech's unit - same thread size - and it seems to provide an accurate temp reading.

Best things about this unit are ease of mounting, simplicity, functions, and incredible lightness, compared to almost everything else.

Good luck with your project. Here's mine:

Which one was that the 75-300 or 75-600?

[skilletmo]

And also, mostly I was wanting to know what version I need becuase I know the tach needs the certain resistors. Or do they all come with the resistors and I just need the one that matches the front wheel size? Which will probably be the 75-600 as motofool the great said.

[Chicagobob]

Originally Posted by skilletmo

And also, mostly I was wanting to know what version I need becuase I know the tach needs the certain resistors. Or do they all come with the resistors and I just need the one that matches the front wheel size? Which will probably be the 75-600 as motofool the great said.

Wheel size doesn't matter, as you'll be setting up the speedo to match yours, whatever it is, by measuring the wheel rollout and entering that measurement into the unit's settings.

You can read the mounting instructions on Trailtech.net, and if you call them, they'll give you the details of what you need for your application.

That's one of the nice things about electronic speedos, you will no longer have any speedo error. I've checked mine by GPS, and it's spot-on.

You will need the 600K .25W resistor that Trail Tech sells. If you don't get one with your unit, they'll probably send you one for free, or maybe for a $7.95 shipping fee, which is what I paid. Their customer service is very helpful.

[k-os]

The SV650 kit comes with a resistor already wired into the tachometer lead. Not exactly sure what it's rated for, but I used the SV650 kit on my Honda Hawk 650.

[skilletmo]

Ok thank you all! I just bought the sv650 kit which was the 75-600 for 92$ shipped. I will update picks once i put the whole front set up together! Its going to look like a whole new bike from the front.

[k-os]

Originally Posted by skilletmo

Ok thank you all! I just bought the sv650 kit which was the 75-600 for 92$ shipped. I will update picks once i put the whole front set up together! Its going to look like a whole new bike from the front.

Where'd you end up ordering it? I'll probably be getting another one for my third Hawk.

[skilletmo]

Originally Posted by k-os

Where'd you end up ordering it? I'll probably be getting another one for my third Hawk.

Here!

[MistahT]

Subbed! GREAT info here. I might soon be putting one on my project Ninja

[skilletmo]

Originally Posted by MistahT

Subbed! GREAT info here. I might soon be putting one on my project Ninja

Ill be posting updates so you can see how it works out

[skilletmo]

Just got it in! Here it is, noob question incoming...

The resistors should be NOT visible right? They should be in the RPM wires?
The manual says its here but shows it highlighted in the middle of the wire but i see nothing because im guessing it inside. But i might be wrong, can anyone confirm please.

[Chicagobob]

The resistor is under shrink wrap a few inches from the connector on the red tach wire.

[skilletmo]

Originally Posted by Chicagobob

The resistor is under shrink wrap a few inches from the connector on the red tach wire.

Ok so they are not visible, good. I will be posting updates this weekend.

[skilletmo]

I am installing my TT Vapor tomorrow. I wanted to know a few things before i put it on.

What do you guys input for these settings, i know what to put for temp but want to see what you guys put it at. For the Pulses per revolution(Example:.5, 1, or 2) and wheel size (Example:2110):
-Program wheel size:
-Pulses Per revolution:
-High Temp:
-Over Temp:

For the Pulses Per Revolution there are 3 steps if PPR changes over a certain RPM, Do our ninjettes change PPR over certain RPMS?

08-12's please. Unless the pregens are the same settings.

[Chicagobob]

Originally Posted by skilletmo

I am installing my TT Vapor tomorrow. I wanted to know a few things before i put it on.

What do you guys input for these settings, i know what to put for temp but want to see what you guys put it at. For the Pulses per revolution(Example:.5, 1, or 2) and wheel size (Example:2110):
-Program wheel size:
-Pulses Per revolution:
-High Temp:
-Over Temp:

For the Pulses Per Revolution there are 3 steps if PPR changes over a certain RPM, Do our ninjettes change PPR over certain RPMS?

08-12's please. Unless the pregens are the same settings.

Doesn't change - set it at 1PPM.

[skilletmo]

Originally Posted by Chicagobob

Doesn't change - set it at 1PPM.

And wheel size is? Or do i keep that 2110 too? Also just to see what other are putting, what did you put for over temp and high temp?

[Chicagobob]

For the most accurate speedo, you should measure the wheel's rollout. Position the bike so the valve stem or some other reference point is at the bottom and mark the ground there, then roll the bike forward (while sitting on it) so that the wheel makes one full turn. Measure the distance in mm and enter that figure into the Vapor.

You can set the temp warning wherever you want it. Most engines are designed to run at 180-200F. The boiling point in a pressurized system should be above 212F, so maybe set it at around 200. That way, you'll have some warning of overheating before it becomes critical. My Vapor (mode 3 records all your maximums) shows I hit a max of 208 degrees.

[skilletmo]

Ok thanks for the info. I am installing it now. For the speed sensor, did you just attach it with the adhesive or did you do something to make it more secure? it seems like it would be weak with just the adhesive, unless im wrong. Also it come with 2 magnes, a screw one and a single magnet. Do i use both or just one,

[skilletmo]

Originally Posted by skilletmo

Ok thanks for the info. I am installing it now. For the speed sensor, did you just attach it with the adhesive or did you do something to make it more secure? it seems like it would be weak with just the adhesive, unless im wrong. Also it come with 2 magnes, a screw one and a single magnet. Do i use both or just one,

Never mind i out the magnit screw in the rotor bolt. When attachin the speed sensor does it have to be alllighned with it exactly? I might need a picture for this one....

[Chicagobob]

Originally Posted by skilletmo

Never mind i out the magnit screw in the rotor bolt. When attachin the speed sensor does it have to be alllighned with it exactly? I might need a picture for this one....

Magnet should pass near the end of the sensor. All this is spelled out in the manual, which is on Trail Tech's web site.

[skilletmo]

I got everything working, thanks for all the help. Ended up stripping the adhesive off the magnet and glue welding it on. Rpms are prefect with that resistor. Now im planning a way to mount it.

[UnshavenCanuck]

Does anyone know the ohm rating on the resistor? I have a koso with a jumpy tach. I put in a 100k resistor and it improved the signal a great deal but its still jumpy at higher rpm
Thanks

Also @skilletmo im trying to find your write up on the cluster wiring you did on the knockoff gauge but cant seem to find it. its the same wiring for the pregen and czroe was inquiring.

[skilletmo]

Ill post the thread link and resistor up tonight, im at work and replying on my phone. Need my laptop! Give me an hour or so.

[skilletmo]

Originally Posted by UnshavenCanuck

Does anyone know the ohm rating on the resistor? I have a koso with a jumpy tach. I put in a 100k resistor and it improved the signal a great deal but its still jumpy at higher rpm
Thanks

Also @skilletmo im trying to find your write up on the cluster wiring you did on the knockoff gauge but cant seem to find it. its the same wiring for the pregen and czroe was inquiring.

Do you mean this?
Oil: Blue/red (my Speedo had everything but the oil pressure... So that was empty on my connector)
High beam:red/black (in other 3 pin connector with the right turn signal)
N:light green
Speed: On cable for front wheel
coolant temp:red/yellow
fuel:light green/black
left turn:green
right turn:grey(on different connector with the High beam (3pin) )
back light multiple colors but in my case i didn't need that because mine ran on one led circuit.
power -:AKA ground wire black/yellow
power+:brown or red/blue (you can use either one) In my case i only needed one power + not many becuase mine was led and didnt need all those back light wires my original speedo had. Just one led light altogether on one wire.
rpm:black
spare power(power that is always connected to battery): You need to make your own, its very simple. Grab a wire long enough to go from your speedo to your battery and on one side put a connector for the harness and another a connector for the battery.

The thread is here

[skilletmo]

Originally Posted by UnshavenCanuck

Does anyone know the ohm rating on the resistor? I have a koso with a jumpy tach. I put in a 100k resistor and it improved the signal a great deal but its still jumpy at higher rpm
Thanks

Also @skilletmo im trying to find your write up on the cluster wiring you did on the knockoff gauge but cant seem to find it. its the same wiring for the pregen and czroe was inquiring.

I have to look at the resistor on my bike, i couldnt get the chance today since i went from school to work to the gym. So right after school i will take the tach apart and check it out for you. It should say on the resistor. @CZroe, I didnt forget about you either!

[UnshavenCanuck]

If it has color bands on it those would be much appreciated, I can figure out the resistance from the colors
Thanks again

[Chicagobob]

Originally Posted by skilletmo

Do you mean this?
Oil: Blue/red (my Speedo had everything but the oil pressure... So that was empty on my connector)
High beam:red/black (in other 3 pin connector with the right turn signal)
N:light green
Speed: On cable for front wheel
coolant temp:red/yellow
fuel:light green/black
left turn:green
right turn:grey(on different connector with the High beam (3pin) )
back light multiple colors but in my case i didn't need that because mine ran on one led circuit.
power -:AKA ground wire black/yellow
power+:brown or red/blue (you can use either one) In my case i only needed one power + not many becuase mine was led and didnt need all those back light wires my original speedo had. Just one led light altogether on one wire.
rpm:black
spare power(power that is always connected to battery): You need to make your own, its very simple. Grab a wire long enough to go from your speedo to your battery and on one side put a connector for the harness and another a connector for the battery.

The thread is here

If you are running a Trail Tech Vapor, you can buy their "dashboard" indicator light surround. You'll see that it comes with rubber light sockets that are identical to those in your stock instruments (at least with a pregen), so you can just yank them out and insert them into the new surround. Takes about 5 minutes.

[skilletmo]

Originally Posted by UnshavenCanuck

If it has color bands on it those would be much appreciated, I can figure out the resistance from the colors
Thanks again

Ill find out the resistor ohm's and the color after school.

[mike_k]

I'm pretty sure it's a 600k ohm resistor that comes in the "resistor cable" from Trail Tech.

[Chicagobob]

On their site, Trail Tech recommends, for an erratic tach, that you "Try tach sensor lead with the built in resistor (part # 7000-1004). If you are capable of soldering and would like to install a resistor yourself, it is a 600K OHM ¼ watt resistor. It should be placed about 3 inches down from the connector."

[skilletmo]

Originally Posted by UnshavenCanuck

If it has color bands on it those would be much appreciated, I can figure out the resistance from the colors
Thanks again

It has a black color band/tape, it says " 25°C VW-1 (.040)". I believe it is a 600k ohm like they said.

I posted a picture of how it looks, might be hard to read but i tried with my ****** phone lol

[Chicagobob]

Originally Posted by skilletmo

It has a black color band/tape, it says " 25°C VW-1 (.040)". I believe it is a 600k ohm like they said.

I posted a picture of how it looks, might be hard to read but i tried with my ****** phone lol

Thanks, but those markings refer to the shrink wrap, not the resistor. If you slide off the wrap, you'll be able to see the resistor and record its color bands.

However, they are a little hard to find (not available at Radio Shack, anyhow), so I still think Trial Tech is the easiest source.

[infinitewhiskey]

What did you end up setting the tire size to? I'm running a 100/90 sport demon and I got 1753 (rounded up). However when I'm riding, it's says I'm at ~ 70 MPH when I'm probably at 40-50, which is based on the speed limit and the speed other cars were going.

Also I can't seem to find the page for the wire with the resistor on Trail Tech's website.

[skilletmo]

For the resistor you will have to go and call them, if you bought it from them they will most likely give it to you for free. If they dont it should be really cheap!

For the tire size and accuracy i will personally go out in a few and check on a gps even though it seems accurate when im riding beside people. Ill go do a double check one more time at a speedo sign thing that are posted around town and update. Ill also update the wheel size

[infinitewhiskey]

Originally Posted by skilletmo

For the resistor you will have to go and call them, if you bought it from them they will most likely give it to you for free. If they dont it should be really cheap!

Unforunately I bought it off eBay
I'll get in contact with 'em to see what'll happen.

Originally Posted by skilletmo

For the tire size and accuracy i will personally go out in a few and check on a gps even though it seems accurate when im riding beside people. Ill go do a double check one more time at a speedo sign thing that are posted around town and update. Ill also update the wheel size

Alright I'll be waiting. Thanks man.