250cc, 282cc, 300cc Motor Build Packages

[FastrnU]

I am offering a full line up of 250 engine packages; everything from stock motor refresh to a true 300CC race motor!

**I AM OFFERING 10% OFF TO THE FIRST 3 CUSTOMERS!**

I have a rolling chassis in the shop so even if you are not within a convenient driving distance; just ship your motor, carbs, airbox, and exhaust; I build it, break it in, Dyno tune it, and return it ready to bolt in and go!


The dyno graphs shown below are as follows:

BLUE: Stock motor
RED: Stock bore build
GREEN: 282cc build

The 300cc build is in the prototype phase as we speak; I expect over 50HP.

My name is Brandon Coates; please feel free to call/text me anytime for questions or quotes 803-530-4063

[Tigerpaw]

Originally Posted by FastrnU

I am offering a full line up of 250 engine packages; everything from stock motor refresh to a true 300CC race motor!

**I AM OFFERING 10% OFF TO THE FIRST 3 CUSTOMERS!**

I have a rolling chassis in the shop so even if you are not within a convenient driving distance; just ship your motor, carbs, airbox, and exhaust; I build it, break it in, Dyno tune it, and return it ready to bolt in and go!

Keep the details flowing.

Do you have a website?

Will you be working on any stock 300 motors, or just starting with 250s?

[FastrnU]

Originally Posted by Tigerpaw

Keep the details flowing.

Do you have a website?

Will you be working on any stock 300 motors, or just starting with 250s?

I use facebook for everything; you can search my name or the shop:

Brandon H Coates

or

Carolina Motorsports LLC

As for details, I can tell you that most everything in my motors are custom or proprietary.

As for the new 300's; if you're interested in getting the motor built... I will cut a big break for the first person that wants a new 300 built! I have been looking for one to build. Call/text me for more detail on the 2013 EX300 builds!

[JohnnyBravo]

50HP on my 300???
How many miles a person usually get outa your engines?

[FastrnU]

Originally Posted by JohnnyBravo

50HP on my 300???
How many miles a person usually get outa your engines?

50HP should be no issue out of your 13' EX300.

I would be very interested in building one of the new 300's... if youre interested let me know.

[Tigerpaw]

Originally Posted by FastrnU

50HP should be no issue out of your 13' EX300.

I would be very interested in building one of the new 300's... if youre interested let me know.

With the right price/warranty, I could deliver you a 300 as a test dummy...

[FastrnU]

PM sent

[alex.s]

do you do milling in house?

[FastrnU]

Originally Posted by alex.s

do you do milling in house?

one day... but no i currently have a machine shop do it.

[Racer x]

Welcome and thanks for working with the 250/300 ninja. Your numbers are spot on.I wish I had money of a 300 build. Maybe in a little while you can make me a 300 with +4 pistons. Do you do head work?

[TonyKZ1]

Sounds good, especially the 282cc motor upgrade from a 250. I assume these are the for the pre-gen too, and not just the new-gen 250s? Any idea on how much money we're talking about?
Thanks, Tony

[FastrnU]

Originally Posted by Racer x

Welcome and thanks for working with the 250/300 ninja. Your numbers are spot on.I wish I had money of a 300 build. Maybe in a little while you can make me a 300 with +4 pistons. Do you do head work?

Thank you for the appreciation, unfortunately this is not the most profitable market; but there is something that is just fun about building these motors.

Again I am very interested in building the new 300 motor; if any of you guys would be interested in proceeding with the 300 please let me know, It will not be free, but it will be much cheaper now than once I have the package designed and put together.

As for head work yes, I normally keep one ported head w Newen 5 angle valve job in stock.

Originally Posted by TonyKZ1

Sounds good, especially the 282cc motor upgrade from a 250. I assume these are the for the pre-gen too, and not just the new-gen 250s? Any idea on how much money we're talking about?
Thanks, Tony

I have not done the pre-gen yet, but the motors are nearly identical; I would just have to measure some critical dimensions inside the motor to see how tight I can go.

Build pricing goes anywhere from STAGE 1 $2,495 to STAGE 5 $5,995. <---This includes all parts, labor, and Dyno tuning; tax on parts not included. I also tune the bike on the fuel you prefer to run; pump 93, U4.4, MRX02, MR12 etc I keep all of these VP fuels in stock and many more for nitrous and turbo builds.

[Bigballsofpaint]

Could you give us details on what stage 1 to stage 5 entails? Id love to get my 250 over 40hp and do an EFI conversion on it.

[Somchai]

Originally Posted by Bigballsofpaint

Could you give us details on what stage 1 to stage 5 entails? Id love to get my 250 over 40hp and do an EFI conversion on it.

Here > http://www.scuderiaplatini.it/immagi...omparativa.jpg < you can see what's possible with the 2-fiddy, its 45.4 HP.
And also look for the price of a well tuned 2-fiddy, it's 26,000 USD...
This is up to now the known worlds best company in tuning the Ninjettes.

[FastrnU]

Originally Posted by Bigballsofpaint

Could you give us details on what stage 1 to stage 5 entails? Id love to get my 250 over 40hp and do an EFI conversion on it.

STAGE 1: stock bore/stroke (33-36HP)
-complete rebuild with new bearings and gaskets(everything blueprinted I measure the bearing clearances down to the ten-thousandth of an inch as in .0001" and place them exactly where I want them for your build)
-remove counter balancer and balance crank
-new rod bolts(keep OE rods, bore, and stroke)
-aftermarket pistons and rings(I file the ring end gap to my spec)
-cam work, adjustable sprockets, degree'ing to my #'s
-break in motor
-dyno tune

STAGE 5: true 300cc build (^50HP)
-complete rebuild with new bearings and gaskets(everything blueprinted I measure the bearing clearances down to the ten-thousandth of an inch as in .0001" and place them exactly where I want them for your build)
-remove counter balancer and balance crank
-Carrillo rods(custom length)
-aftermarket pistons and rings(I file to ring end gap to my spec)
-Proprietary Cams, adjustable sprockets, degree'ing to my #'s
-Aftermarket valve springs w Titanium retainers
-Ported head w Newen 5 angle valve job
-all new valves
-machining of cylinder and cases
-custom head gasket
-HD clutch springs
-break in motor
-dyno tune

[FastrnU]

Originally Posted by Somchai

Here > http://www.scuderiaplatini.it/immagi...omparativa.jpg < you can see what's possible with the 2-fiddy, its 45.4 HP.
And also look for the price of a well tuned 2-fiddy, it's 26,000 USD...
This is up to now the known worlds best company in tuning the Ninjettes.

I build 300+HP nitrous bikes for much less than that.. something does add up there....

[Bigballsofpaint]

Somchai, thats not what i asked. HIS price is 3,000 to 6,000 depending on which stage you get. So i wanted to know what HIS stage entails vs price.

EFI is only around 500, so im not worried about that.

[FastrnU]

If you have the Ecotrons FI unit the tuning/build cost would stay the same.

[Racer x]

The per and second gen engines are similar. But nothing is interchangeable ex the rods.

[Bigballsofpaint]

I honestly wouldnt be able to do this for quite some time. Glad to see this being offered though. Im just now getting some race bodywork, and ill have to start buying track gear but once i start building the 250 ill give you some business.

[FastrnU]

Originally Posted by Bigballsofpaint

I honestly wouldnt be able to do this for quite some time. Glad to see this being offered though. Im just now getting some race bodywork, and ill have to start buying track gear but once i start building the 250 ill give you some business.

No problem man. If you have any questions just let me know; I have countless hours on my dyno and the track with these bikes.

I would be glad to work with you!

[Panda]

The 282 bore cost around 4k?

[Racer x]

What compression ratio are you using in the dynoed engines? Are you using forged JE pistons?

[FastrnU]

Originally Posted by Panda

The 282 bore cost around 4k?

Yes sir $3,995 to be exact.

Give me a call; I would be happy to discuss it further with you.

[Panda]

Originally Posted by FastrnU

Yes sir $3,995 to be exact.

Give me a call; I would be happy to discuss it further with you.

So about 38-40RWHP?

[FastrnU]

Originally Posted by Panda

So about 38-40RWHP?

MY 282 motors make 40+RWHP. Depending on what type of exhaust, cams, and what fuel you run it can be in the mid 40's.

[mgentz]

Idk.

[FastrnU]

^^ not sure what that means?

"I don't know??"

[allanoue]

Originally Posted by FastrnU

^^ not sure what that means?

"I don't know??"

correct

[JohnnyBravo]

Got videos?

[FastrnU]

Originally Posted by allanoue

correct

what don't you know?

Originally Posted by JohnnyBravo

Got videos?

https://www.facebook.com/brandon.h.c...6400924&type=2

CLICK HERE ^^

Only video I have of the 250 is my wife on the Dyno with a stock(motor) one doing some baseline pulls before the build lol

That and plenty of other cool videos of me testing different race bikes over the years on my facebook page though.

[Somchai]

Originally Posted by FastrnU

I build 300+HP nitrous bikes for much less than that.. something does add up there....

Brandon, I'm pretty sure you won't compare a complete race-ready bike with a weight down to nearly 285 lbs to an engine-tuning only???
Be insured that I'll never talk your output small but please also don't forget where i.e. the Ducatis come from and here not to talk about cars like Ferrari, Maserati or Lamborghini and so on.
Have good success in your tunings.

[JohnnyBravo]

I ain't makin that Dployment money these days... But if you still building when I get my dollars up ill be calling.
Anybody down to sponsor a clown?

[alex.s]

i thought the fancy guys said not to remove the balancer crank?

how buzzy is the engine without it?

[bruce71198]

Originally Posted by alex.s

i thought the fancy guys said not to remove the balancer crank?

how buzzy is the engine without it?

Everyone is at a different point on the learning curve.....

[crimsondragon]

+1 on the compression ratio. I also would like to know what CR you're going with and whether it can be upped more safely.

[FastrnU]

Originally Posted by alex.s

i thought the fancy guys said not to remove the balancer crank?

how buzzy is the engine without it?

Don't remove it unless you are going to spend the money to have it balanced, the vibration gets to be too much; I doubt you'll ride it for long like that lol

Check with David Eden at Marine Crank in CA.

Originally Posted by crimsondragon

+1 on the compression ratio. I also would like to know what CR you're going with and whether it can be upped more safely.

Stock compression ratio is 11.61:1 Each motor's CR will differ depending on each customers build. I have build stages, but I literally speak directly with each customer in order to build a custom motor for them; IE what kind of fuel do you have the budget to run, is this a land speed motor, street motor, trackdays, road race(sprint or endurance?) etc... it is always higher than stock.(I also use Carrillo H-Beam rods in most of my builds) Keep in mind that if you are running stock rods, higher compression ratio's will increase the shock and stress on the rods quite a bit... if youve ever seen the rods in these motors they look like twigs lol

[alex.s]

are you saying you add enough weight to the crank to balance against the pistons without the balancer crank?

or are you saying after removing the large balancer, you have the crank balanced separately?

but it's still the stock crank?

i'm very confused. i know the pistons are 180 apart so their weight counter acts each other, but the counter balance weights are also 180... even if the crank was perfectly balanced, it wouldn't be balanced with the pistons. how could it? the crank would have to be massive wouldn't it? so with stock crank and counter balance removed, wouldn't it create a much larger rotation torque on each stroke without the counterbalancer?

how is it not buzzy?

[Racer x]

You can remove the balance and balance the stock crank. The stock crank and bal lancer is meant to be pretty smooth throughout the RPM range. On a race engine e I only want it smooth at say 12000 rpm . So the resipricating mass is balanced at that RPM.If it shakes at other rpm that is just a sacrifices made for performance.

[mgentz]

Originally Posted by mgentz

Idk.

I talked to Brandon today for quite a long time. He definitely knows his stuff when it comes to the 250 and has done a lot of experimentation. I think anyone going with one of his packages will be very satisfied. In fact he and I bounced a few ideas off each other and there are even a couple of things I haven't done yet I'm going to do because he recommended them.

for those of you following my build you know how much work I put into my 250. Brandon's engine packages basically put you in the same or better ballpark without all the experimentation and work that Brad and i had to go through.